Making a Murderer - Netflix documnetary

[BrendaandEddie]

I am episode 3 and GOD its good! I so wish i had seen it before Xmas so I could take my time a bit - very Serial style

Can anyone say why the police hated Steven so much in the first place? Enough to risk their jobs and prosecution for framing him for the Rape?

I know Steven threatened an officers wife but it seems extreme for the whole police force to collude to frame him for him pissing off an officers wife.

I totally get why they all conspired the second time to frame him to avoid being sued and for revenge but it's the first time I don't know why the police would risk everything when Steven hadn't done anything to them personally

That's kind of what I was wondering too. The cousin seemed to think that everyone in the town had it in for the family for some reason so I wonder what the family background really is. That O'Kelly tool referred to crime and incest and was quite nasty about the whole family but he was clearly a holy oddbod so hard to know whether his views had any basis.

The police in question were deposed for the rape investigation. This could have been career ending / potential felony so they definitely had motive. Colback ignored a call about his innocence to the county jail as we saw in the murder trial.

I've watched a couple of episodes so far and tragic he was jailed for a rape he didn't commit. Have to feel a bit uncomfortable with the trial by media though (not here but in other forums / twitter etc). The programme is clearly presented as favourable to Stephen Avery, questioning evidence that put him in prison and from what Ive read there were loads of issues with the case and likely grounds for an appeal because of it. But......I find it unsettling that it's been suggested the prosecution should have participated in a programme by presenting their evidence on screen. What happened to appeals in court? With jury's. I think the documentary (or response to it) starts tipping away from raising the profile of a possible miscarriage of justice to a mock trial where fingers start getting pointed at victims brother, ex, flat mate, and where Stephen Averys ex (who describes persistent domestic violence) is labelled a liar. Where there is an insistence by some that he is innocent whilst only being presented with the evidence the shows makers wanted to present. Makes me really uncomfortable. And pretty ironic that the accusations against victims relatives, ex wife etc. appear to be grounded in much less evidence than was used to convict SA (eg. He looked suspicious, he acted weirdly, she is obviously lying / getting a kick back etc.)
Will carry on watching to find out more....

Kendodd I know colburn ignored that phone call after 8 years (as obviously would look bad on police) but it's the initial framing I'm interested as to why they would do that when Steven hadn't done anything to them yet.

Yes there were rumours of incest and troubled family but to conspire from day 1 just seems really extreme e.g drawing suspects picture based off Stevens mugshot , the lady officer after hearing of the rape said that sounds like Steven avery. They really wanted him put away.

Did anyone notice how smug and arrogant Sherry Culhane was (lady with big 80's hair) even after admitting she had used all the sample up so the defence couldn't test it as well?
Shockingly she was the one who identified falsely that a hair of Stevens was present in the first rape case!!!!
Also the guy who drew Stevens mugshot as a suspect picture seemed pretty pleased with himself.
Both of them seemed to think they are untouchable and they are right

Ah I see. It says at the start that the Averys were outcasts and seen as bad people. Wouldn't take much in a place like that to be on the bad side of the law.
Colburn also took Dassey and Avery to jail the tosser.
It was the woman that found the car with the camera that got to me but Culhane was a disgrace.

Just finished the series. What a complete travesty. I am convinced he is innocent. What to do! And his poor parents. :(
Keenly hoping the bad cops get put away. I imagine this isn't a one-off, and there are various people in prison serving time for something they didn't do.

I just posted on another thread about this programme but this one seems busier so I'll repaste it here:

Spoiler alert!!!

I've just watched it all over the last few days and am about to have a dig about to see what else I can find out so that it isn't just the documentary that I am going on.

Theories for what actually happened though?

Mine are:

1. Teresa committed suicide, cops found her dead in the car and saw an opportunity to pin it on Steven.
2. Teresa crashed and died, cops found her dead in the car and saw an opportunity to pin it on Steven
3. It was the creepy brother
4. It was the creepy boyfriend
5. She was shot, either deliberately or accidentally by Bobby or Brendan's step dad when out hunting.
6. There was another person that was stalking her and murdered her and knew that Steven could be put in the frame for it.
7. Steven was stalking her and killed her in a location unknown and decided to try to get back at the cops by making it look like they were framing him.
8. Steven killed her in location unknown and was just a bit thick about trying to get away with it.

Did Brendan have anything to do with it? I don't think so in any scenario. Only possibles I could lay at his door are:

that he did see body parts in the fire.
that he knows Bobby/stepdad did it and they were making him frame Steven
that he knew Steven did it but wasn't there.

Trials, well what we saw of them, were a travesty. How can you convict Brendan on that story that you have proved wasn't true in the other trial?

Magnum, I wasn't sure of posting my theories would just get deleted, but yes - my suspicions are ex-boyfriend and/or brother, or Bobby/hunter accident, or whoever it was that was phoning her. Hope some decent, competent detectives get sent out there and do a proper job of it.

I guess I keep thinking this is fiction in some way (it messes with my head too much when I think about them filming live in the courthouse etc) - so probably shouldn't post theories but I don't think the US legal system will be too compromised by my wee post here :o hopefully......

It feels unreal, I just can't believe how blatantly abysmal the justice system was for these two, and how stupid several of the legal/csi etc people were. I have read around a bit and looks like the jury were scared, plus some on it were heavily biased.

Just finished it after binge watching over three nights. A travesty. Stevens mum, her face will stay with me for a long time. Bent cops and a shitty legal system.

The case has more holes than a tramps vest, so many unanswered questions - regardless of who did it, justice hasn't been seen to be done.

this was quite interesting:

www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/making-a-murderer-steven-averys-lawyer-on-the-evidence-left-out-20160115

Yes, his Mum and Dad ar as much victims as anyone - it was hard to watch them, that fish factory that his Dad had set up for Steven coming home, his Mum just seemed so lost. :(

More stories coming out now which if true is unbelievable.

The day of the murderer Jodi was supposed to be allowed on a day release to attend an AA meeting with Steven but the jail wouldn't let her go and gave no reason even though she had attended other meetings previously!
A bit sucispicious if that's true added up with all the other evidence of a cover up.

A juror on the trial has said one of the jurors was a father of a Manitiwoc deputy!
They also said he was very aggressive in putting out that a guilty verdict be found.
The juror has said they felt pressured to give guilty as otherwise they knew the police would know who they are.

I feel do sad obviously for Brendan who doesn't have a clue but Steven if this is the second time he has been framed there are no words as to what he has been through.

I really feel no one will get the truth as the police will close ranks to cover up at all costs

I haven't watched any more of this. I think I probably will but need to be in the right frame of mind.

However, I have been listening to the Serial podcasts which I am finding fascinating and I'd highly recommend. serialpodcast.org/season-one

Also The Jinx on Netflix is terrific too.

Now on Episode 8 - but why didn't Steven testify?!!!!

thanks for the rolling stone link magnum that was really interesting.

That's article is so interesting.
Is it usual for people accused of the same murder in the UK to be tried in different trials at different times ?

Hels- I imagine they thought the prosecution would run rings round Steven

The more I think about it it seems ludicrous, Steven had just got his freedom back, he was due a huge compensation payout, he was engaged to Jodi so why would he risk everything to kill someone before he got his payout as he must have known the police would be waiting for a chance to take him down and not payout.
After just getting out of jail you would not do anything to risk going back into jail.

One minute the prosecution are saying Steven was clever enough to clean the crime scene but then Steven is stupid enough to leave her car on his land when he has a car crusher!

I read somewhere that they had an incinerator so why burn her right outside his house/scatter her about his land? Something isn't quite right. There's an article I will try to find the link to about other suspects and Stevens brother seems a genuine possibility.

The car can't have been anything other than planted, as were the bones - I guess it still doesn't mean he didn't kill her, but is there reasonable doubt? Hell yes!!

I am sure in Steven's trial the prosecution accepted that she wasn't killed in the trailer, so how could they convict Brendan based purely on his confession that he participated in her rape and murder in the trailer? Reasonable doubt? Hell yes again!

I'm sure in the UK (Scotland anyway) there would be a joint trial.

The other thing I found really hard was when they kept on describing Brendan as of limited intelligence while he was sitting beside them, felt double gutted for him although obviously that was the main defence against the confession and really important to bring that out.

Fascinating case. Very difficult to watch. There were so many things that didn't add up in the trial, that the defence pointed out, such as

-the Manitowoc cop who was always there when 'new evidence' was suddenly found months after a search
-The recording of Colburn calling dispatch to ask about Teresa's number plate (it must've been in front of him surely)
-The suspicious manner in which the car was found by some of the search party
-That someone had seemingly logged into Teresa's voicemail and deleted messages while she was missing and her brother and/or boyfriend may have known her pin/had access to her phone records

While I couldn't say for sure that Stephen was innocent, if I was on that jury there would be no way I could say he was guilty with so many questions unanswered and in the complete absence of a fair trial. The way the prosecution whipped up the media was particularly vile.

As for Brendan, I have no words for the way that poor kid was treated, truly horrifying

This program is taking over my life. Truly disturbing.
I felt so angry for that poor family