Corrie Thread - you know it is bad when the best storyline is about a dog

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Time to start a new thread. Hopefully by the time this one has finished there will have been a terrible disaster and half the current cast will have disappeared.

At least Jazz-hands-Andrea is on her way out. I'd be grateful if she would take a coach-load with her.

I don't get the Tracy thing. The burning of the flat was an accident, right? How come Tracy was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder, then? What motive could she have had? Whose murder? Carla"s?"

I can't get my head around Corrie these days.

Poor Liz tonight.

Well yes, the burning of the flat was an accident. But Tracy did go there with the intention of killing/causing serious harm to Carla, and she has a previous conviction (albeit overturned) for murder, so maybe that's what made the difference?

And yes, poor Liz tonight. Thought she handled it pretty well, though.

Andrea makes me want to hurl things at the screen

was there an episode last night? Sunday ?
no wonder I am befuddled and feel there are massive gaps in my knowledge
I did think Liz looked bizarre tonight with the yellow and black number with matching shoes
now why did Ken frighten anybody off by knocking on the door
why did the description of the thugs not tally with the thugs who attacked Jason (or did he not remember anything of the attack) - surely Tony saw them

Thanks hirples. I still don't really get it, tbh. I wouldn't necessarily link Tracy to the flat fire unless I knew for certain that there was intent on her part to cause harm to Carla. The police couldn't have known that, and even if they did, I doubt it'd be grounds for arrest for murder. And as it was Kal and whatserface who died as a consequence of the fire, surely it would not have been murder anyway as there was no intent to kill either of them. There were no grounds for arrest for murder so they had to let Tracy go as there wasn't sufficient evidence to retain her (overinvests).

It's not real, but needs to be thought through better imho.

Yes, mollie, there was an hour-long programme last night, but there's none this Friday because of the Rugby World Cup.

And yes, absolutely, there are some holes in the plot you could drive a horse and cart through.

I may be wrong, but as well as breaking into Carla's flat with the intention to kill her, when she put the candle down didn't she purposefully put it under the lampshade so it would start a fire? I thought she did - but I may have imagined it, as I tend to be doing something else while it is on.

Only watched Sunday's episode last night, but those thugs 'beating up' Callum in his flat. Me and the kids just burst out laughing at the one with the goggley eyes - they spent the rest of the evening doing impressions of him

For a murder charge there has to be intent to cause grievous bodily harm, even if it is only momentary, that's what we were told in jury service a few years ago. Not sure about attempted murder though, and I missed the fire starting episode.

It's another plot hole.

If she was going to bash Carla over the head, which was her murder method and which she seemed to be squaring up for behind the sofa, then you'd have thought she'd have taken a torch rather than expecting there to be a candle to hand in a discoverable place in a dark flat.

I don't think it's possible to know if she put it by the lampshade on purpose or by accident.

She certainly said something to Ken that evening about wanting to harm Carla. And that may well be sufficient to form intent (on the grounds that setting fire to a room where someone is sleeping with drunken heaviness carries such a risk of death that it's an obvious consequence of the act).

Whats the purpose of the whole Miley/Canada story. It's as if the scriptwriters decided they'd changed their mind about that story and binned it

Is Simon going to come back with a new face??

I am really confused by the Callum saga so I'm assuming I've missed a few episodes. Is the court case still going on? Beatings and blackmail - why are the police never called? Is Callum due to leave the programme shortly? (Hope so)

Ok, so she spoke to Ken about wanting to harm Carla (missed that bit). She went to the flat with the intent to kill Carla, but changed her mind. Then she set down a lighted candle dangerously close to a lampshade. We don't really know if this was accidental or not. It could be a factor. Probably enough to arrest her? I'm not sure whether the fact that she has form for a similar offence can be taken into consideration at this stage (I thought this sort of thing was only admissable following a trial as it would unfairly prejudice it?) and she was eventually exonerated anyway, wasn't she?

I think the following scenario would have been more realistic:

Tracy blabs to Robert.
She comes clean to Carla, under pressure.
She is arrested for intent to cause gbh to Carla, or even murder. She admitted to taking the keys and entering the flat, intending to kill her, changing her mind over bashing her over the head, but instead leaving a lighted candle dangerously close to a lampshade. We don't know if the lampshade bit is accidental or not.

She is charged and tried. We need Ken to testify about Tracy's intention to harm Carla. He's a credible witness.

Tracy would try to claim that no way would she have done such a thing whilst her daughter was asleep in the flat. But there's enough evidence to prove that Tracy couldn't have known about Amy being there.

I suppose a successful prosecution would depend on whether a jury felt that Tracy was capable of committing such a crime. We know she is! I'm not sure how much other information about Tracy could be made available to the jury, though.

The deaths that resulted from the fire were an unfortunate consequence of her actions, but even if she were to be found not guilty of intended gbh against Carla, she would still be responsible for the other deaths.

The jury would not be able to be told about the Charlie Stubbs case unless the defence give it as evidence for some reason (again happened when I was on jury service).

It's been far too long coming - there should have been Michelle flapping at the time about what had happened to Carla's keys - OK, so there would have been a new door after the fire, but surely she would be looking for the keyring? Plenty of chance for Carla to have come to give Michelle a new spare key, and Michelle to be at the bar talking to Liz about how she can't find it/anyone seen them etc. So now when this story comes out, Michelle says "hold on, I never found Carla's keys". Not evidence, Tracey-luv probably wouldn't be prosecuted, but enough that everyone believes she did it.

Another amazing diagnosis in the Hope storyline. I must be the worst receptionist ever as I have never looked at a child coming on our ward, told the nurse they looked a bit peaky, and got them reviewed/referred/diagnosed within a fortnight. Never mind the fact that Hope wasn't even the person being seen at the hospital in the first place. She didn't look like an A&E emergency, she was just "a bit off", surely she'd have been told to call 111?

Mind you, they do have great doctors in Weatherfield - when David had his first seizure he was immediately diagnosed (usually have to have more than one for an epilepsy diagnosis unless there was something indicated on an MRI/CT) and then the first tablets he took worked so he was seizure-free . Not trying several doses/switching tablet twice/taking about 5 years to be fully under control and being seizure free long enough to learn to drive (DD1 has epilepsy and though the reactions by David initially were great - frustration/anger/feeling a freak the balance of medication took ages to sort, which is not unusual)

Totally agree BoGrainger - I often find myself getting annoyed that no-one ever calls the police over Callum!!

I too hope he is leaving soon - I suspect he may end up under that lovely new garage conversion the Platt's are conveniently having done.

I'm just hoping that the live episode will be the climax of the Callum story.

There should have been more flapping over the keys, yes. Did Michelle even notice they were missing? Given what subsequently happened at the flat, you'd think the missing keys would have been a vital part of the plot. Did Michelle ever find her keys? Or did Tracy get them back somehow?

Another thing-did Tracy ever divorce Robert? She went on to marry Steve didn't she?

what always bothers me about the 'fire' was how could they tell it was a candle caused it as surely in the 'inferno' candle would have melted - but maybe I underestimate the forensic abilities of the weatherfield fire service

mollie that confused me too. I've just read the Digital Spy spoilers, more rubbish

The idea of backfilling Gail's hole with Callum's rotting corpse is the best bit of speculation on a future plot line I've heard in yonks.

I won't describe the Digital Spy stuff in detail, as I think some people don't want spoilers.

But it says Roy will be having his 60th birthday in/around the live episode.

What bollocks. It's his 61st, according to all fan sites which link detailed biogs of the characters and list his dob as 1954.

Just when you thought the current team couldn't treat the audience with more contempt, they have a fuck up like that.

They could chuck a few other characters under there too.

Mmm...good point about the candle. Unless, in the absence of any other clues, it was kind of assumed that it was a random candle (grasps straws)?.