Weeeeeeuhhhhwooooo! New Dr Who starts 19 September!

[VagelinaJolie]

Hooray! Let's hope that this series is better than the last.
Oh look it's Arya Stark! And more Missy!
And PC's hair is madder than ever!
(And I've found the box of exclamation marks!!!!!)
Let's see

This is like watch ing a Peter Ca0àldi actng lesson where the story or plot doesn't matter because we're all meant to admire how talented he is. we knew that, what I want is a Good story!

I loved that.

Isn't River a hybrid? And she can regenerate. And she's back in the xmas special apparently...

Who knows

Thanks I didn't know about the saving him thing. Why is she the impossible girl?

Oh okay ,< nods knowledgeably>

He said the hybrid is me.

Which I take to mean either Ashildr (since she calls herself "Me") or the Doctor himself...he has once said (way back in the film with Paul McGann) that he was half human on his mothers side.

Wow - I am not even sure that episode was suitable for pre-watershed. DC went to bed after only 15 mins. It was scary in a very menacing way.

This is like watch ing a Peter Ca0àldi actng lesson where the story or plot doesn't matter because we're all meant to admire how talented he is.

I felt differently.

I enjoyed the puzzle room aspect of the episode.

I found the looping very disturbing.

It was only when the credits came up that I realised that there had been only 3 actors in the entire thing, and one of those was "the thing in the veil".

Actually, I change my theory. It's not him or Ashildr. That's too easy, too obvious. It's never the obvious. In the next time trailer, Ashildr asks "is it true?" and he replies "She's my friend". He's done something, it's someone else.

It's a very divisive episode in our house! The range goes from me- I liked it but only because I liked watching PC, to everyone else who was a combination of bored and confused!

I'm not sure about the hybrid thing. I hope they don't drag up the 'half human' thing, but I have a feeling they will, because he said he was a combination of two warrior races-but not Timelord\ dalek.

I enjoyed it once I got it, but it was very, very confusing and DD was totally lost.

Was the Clara chalkboard thing in his head?

When the Sisterhood of Karn appeared in The Brain of Morbius, the creepy beard man whose name I cant remember was also building a hybrid to house the Brain.

I didn't find it confusing at all, as the central conceit (of many "regenerations" of the doctor each replaying the same story and gradually chipping away at the harder-than-diamond wall), under all the storyline (such as it was), was very simple, and it was explained that the Tardis scenes were happening super-fast inside his head at moments of pressure. I did think it was very, very, very slow, though.

It beat the crusty sleepy monster, which is my benchmark for shit episodes this series.

It made me realise I could easily watch PC for hours. He is incredibly good. The only part I didn't understand is why the diamond wall didn't reset when every other room did - can someone explain it to me? TIA

So. There is still some good TV.

That was utterly magnificent.

And for once, for the first time ever imo, it needed PC to be the Doctor. That just couldn't have been a CE or DT or MS episode. It was entirely him. Triumphant storytelling.

I didn't get it at all. Did he live through millions of years to break an ice wall?was it real?

I used to love David Tennant and Christopher ecclestone. I tolerated matt Smith but just don't feel invested anymore at all. Wasn't particularly fussed when Clark died. Now the first episode I've not 'got"

It does bring up some worrying thoughts about how teleportation works.

You are not "moved" - you are destroyed and then recreated in a different place. Only information is moved.

Oooh yes. I remember a sci fi story being read on 4Extra; teleportation was common but a man found himself trapped in the device listening to the computer apologising and explaining that things sometimes did go wrong. So the person currently being greeted by his family was a substitute version of him and since it wasn't possible to retain two versions ...

It's probably a very well known story that I missed during my sci fi devouring teens.

futures yy he spent years reliving the same events including 'pecking' at the wall like a bird until the wall finally shattered. He made the point that for TimeLords time obviously has a different meaning so the passage of a gazillion years doesn't mean as much.

It's funny, DS (7) was dipping in and out of watching it and in one of the early parts in the castle, he said the time is shifting and I asked if he meant like a loop? And he said 'yes'. So from that very early point, I was watching it with the expectation it was an oft-repeated process the Doctor was going through. maybe this is why it's a kids' show, DS was way ahead of me

I think the wall and the stars were real and the rest was not. Perhaps because the wall and stars had counterparts on Gallifrey?

APlace, he didn't live for a gazillion years though, he lived for 2-3 days each time tops.

One I thought the point of the voiceover narrative was that accumulatively he/we couldn't actually know how much time had passed because it was within the puzzle iyswim. So there was no external arbiter of time because the stars/passage of time were self-contained? There seems quite a bit of debate about that on the sci-fi sites too

Hmmm, dunno.

The narrative was on the castle wall between the windows at the beginning.

I assumed that he could "see out" of the dial to the stars...

I am curious to know who designed the puzzle - did the doctor design it himself for some other purpose (hiding his will?) then retcon himself? Or was it the Time Lords?

He shouldn't REMEMBER billions of years, he had a new brain every time so he should only remember one go around, he'll just have worked out that these other versions of himself had existed.

The multitude of skulls points to him being there a long time but who knows?!

I thought the Time Lords were responsible for the puzzle because they wanted to know the secret of the hybrid? But I'm not sure and I still don't understand why the wall didn't reset