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Sunnymeg · 25/02/2015 11:19

Is anyone else looking forward to this? It is going to be shown on Sunday nights once the present series of 'Call the Midwife' has finished.

I loved the original series even though the story did stray from the books a bit. I wonder how this one will go. I understand Robin Ellis has a bit part in the new version as the Reverend Halse.

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squoosh · 24/03/2015 14:33

I'm hoping they'll discover the plot in Ross' mine.

Mama1980 · 24/03/2015 15:33

Another dreary discuss the plot person here Smile I'm quite liking how closely they are following the book, I like the very slow build up between Ross and demelza, much subtler than the 70s version, my favourite theme if you like in the book is how slowly Ross realises just how much demelza means to him even though the reader realises much more quickly!
And I always hated the he has to marry her as she's pregnant change, so happy they've stuck to the original, think they needed to explain the dress though.
The rest of the plot I'm not sure of its going so fast and I hated the verity bit last week, think they seriously underused the actress.
The scything field bit was a awesome addition though Wink

Margrethe · 24/03/2015 16:13

I agree it is moving much too fast! I haven't read the books or seen the first TV series. I was a little confused.

The Poldark character didn't show much interest in Demelza beyond a sort of patronising affection that an older boss might have towards a younger employee. When the camera shows him looking at her, it is always with a friendly, older brother type smile. Nothing that looked like longing of any sort. Even in the big scene with the dress, he seemed so controlled that it was hard to understand why he went to bed with her anyway. If he thought it was such a momentous thing that he would have to marry her for it, why did he do it in the first place?

The Demelza character clearly has a crush on her much older boss. But it wasn't clear that the much older, much more powerful boss was becoming beguiled by her.

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Margrethe · 24/03/2015 16:56

I do appreciate people explaining the book! It helps the RB series to make sense.Smile

squoosh · 24/03/2015 17:11

The Poldark character didn't show much interest in Demelza beyond a sort of patronising affection that an older boss might have towards a younger employee.

I agree, he barely looked at her accept to give her the odd kindly smile before he went back to brooding over Elizabeth. I'm sure it makes sense in the books but on screen there were a few bawdy nudges and bam, he's hoiked her out of her dress and proposed the next day.

I'd prefer if he'd married the tavern wench, at least she'd have put the other Poldarks in their place.

Margrethe · 24/03/2015 17:22

RB=TV

Mama1980 · 24/03/2015 17:27

It does make more sense in the book but I also think they haven't done it too badly.
It does take Ross forever to really see demelza, and even longer for him to realise what she means to him. And I thought the few glances, him joining in the dance , sitting with her started to convey that ok. As you say it's very hard to see the 'words' properly on screen though, plus in the book obviously they talk a lot more, which fleshes out the story and their thoughts. But then again if they stuck to exactly what was said it would take far too long.
I try to enjoy the pictures whilst remembering to myself what 'really' happens. Drives my dd crazy though when I tell her what should be happening Smile

Margrethe · 24/03/2015 17:29

Yes Squoosh! I found her crush on him believable...her seduction of him, not so much so.

She's found a father figure.

How a gauche, inexperienced, insecure teenager manages to seduce an experienced older man of high moral character when we aren't shown that he is already head over heels in love and sorely tempted, I don't know!

Dumbledoresgirl · 24/03/2015 17:34

At least the other Demelza had something which you could see would attract a certain type of man. This not very attractive skinny gormless person would have trouble attracting somebody like Poldark. The point is it's fiction but it's got to be a bit believable.

Thank you Viviennemary. Your post exactly encapsulated what I was trying to say on Sunday night when I made my unkind comments about ET's body and got told off by so many posters.

I feel quite sad about it actually. I really liked the original series (still do, watch it from time to time) and the books and I was totally up for liking the new series. It is not a question of thinking that nothing could ever be better than the original. But with each episode I feel less and less excited.

Margrethe · 24/03/2015 17:44

I have no problem with the way the Demelza actrice looks. She has a beautiful face, creamy skin, flaming curls, and an elegant physique. There are lots of different kinds of pretty.

I just think they rushed the thing so much that there hasn't been much chance to show us the characters develop.

VelvetGreen · 24/03/2015 17:46

I don't think he is head over heels in love at this point. More a case of trying to do the right thing by Demelza, trying to move on from Elizabeth, and also seizing another opportunity to stick a pair up at polite society.

Margrethe · 24/03/2015 17:56

Yes, that makes sense velvetgreen, I just wonder why he was so easily seduced in that case.

VelvetGreen · 24/03/2015 18:32

I don't think he was that easy! Ross did resist her advances downstairs, and she did pretty much throw herself at him! I don't think he realised until then how much he desired her, which is why previously you see her furtive glances at him, but nothing reciprocated.

Their relationship was obviously developing, but her actions that evening which escalated things were driven by her fear that she would have to go back to her fathers. If Ross rejected her she would have no choice but to leave, and he was clearly growing fonder of her - sitting together at the mine, appreciating how she anticipated his needs, watching her and dancing at the wedding etc.

FruminariaBandersnatchiosum · 24/03/2015 18:47

I haven't RTFT and I have not read the books for years but my understanding was that Demelza came across to Ross as a simple, innocent and hardworking soul in stark contrast to the people of his own class who were scheming, cunning and manipulative to a man ( or woman in Elizabeths case - remarked upon by Ross in Ep 1 where he says something about her marrying money for her own gain or somesuch) but in Ep 2 none of this is coming across and it seemed like he had had a bad day, was being gossiped about anyway and sort of decided to shag her as he was getting accused of it anyway and there seemed little more to it than that. Apart from his noticing her at the dancing this is how it feels. Unless they are going to pull it around by the nose in the next episode I am disappointed by this or am I remembering the book wrong and is D just a rebound thing once E has married and had a DS?

WyrdSmyth · 24/03/2015 19:13

Oh well I suppose I can do plot, if doing plot is required [grumpy]

Ross is a square peg in a round hole. Born into the gentry he despises many of his own class for their selfishness and vaunting sense of entitlement. Instead he is more comfortable with the local peasants, admiring their work ethic and envious of their simple, rustic lifestyle.

But he isn't 'one of them' he still feels a sense of responsibility toward them, like a father with his children. Essentially he is lonely soul. Caught between two very different worlds. He fought as an English officer in the American War of Independence but couldn't help but be inspired by the American's determination to escape the British rigid system of hierarchy and inherited status and authority.

Ross is a 'Romantic' in the original, literary sense of the word. Shunning the new learning and the new science of the 18th century and embracing the bounties of Nature and extolling a simpler, rural existence. The 'Romantic' poets and writers also had some rather disturbing ideas about the blurring of relationship boundaries between brother and sister and parents and children. Hints of incest are a very common theme running through out many Romantic novels and poems. Again this is very similar to Ross's relationship with Demelza. He starts off with vaguely paternal feelings towards her and sees her very much as a child and a servant. But slowly his feelings change and he begins to see her as a 'help meet' and lover.

He is an educated man but he chooses to get his hands dirty at the mine and prefers to do manual labour in the fields rather than drink port with his gentleman chums.

The two women in his life Elizabeth and Demelza perfectly symbolise this dichotomy in Ross's heart. Elizabeth as the cool, cultured 'angel in the house'. Demelza as the passionate, pagan 'child of the forest'.

Right. Can I go back to licking cake off his chest now [plaintive]

Twinklestein · 24/03/2015 19:13

I haven't read the book, which I suspect is a great deal better. At the moment it's coming across as low-rent Jane Eyre.

Twinklestein · 24/03/2015 19:20

Except that the relationship between Mr Rochester and Jane, who is similarly his servant, develops convincingly. From the first she's his intellectual equal, even though she has less education and less experience than him. She criticises him and guides him, and he comes to rely on her.

Poldark, (in the TV version, I can't speak for the book) has basically fucked the help while in love with someone else, and got hitched in parenthesis. If he wasn't so hot, he wouldn't come out well.

NorahDentressangle · 24/03/2015 19:30

If he wasn't so hot, he wouldn't come out well

But he isn't meant to come out of it well, he is a bit of a rogue/cad/but with redeeming traits.

Dem is a flirt/ knows what she wants but is feisty and deserves a break.

Life was hard (and short).

NorahDentressangle · 24/03/2015 19:31

Poldark is set in the 1700s, Jayne Eyre the 1800s.

WyrdSmyth · 24/03/2015 19:42

Ross is struggling, trapped between two worlds. To the gentry, shagging a pretty servant girl is considered perfectly normal and in fact is his right (noblesse oblige and all that).

But on the other hand he despises his own class and doesn't want to be anything like them.

Twinklestein · 24/03/2015 20:28

The date it's set is irrelevant, but as it goes Poldark was set in the 1780s and Jane Eyre is set around 1840, so they're not actually that far apart.

Marrying someone you don't love is a shitty thing to do.

I've ordered the book as I think the TV version is bowdlerising the story.

Twinklestein · 24/03/2015 20:29

AT would make a good Mr Rochester. Much better than Toby Stevens (I couldn't watch that version)

Ineedtimeoff · 24/03/2015 21:16

I've just ordered the books as well. Seems like in the dramatization they have missed out so much from the plot that would give it meaning and depth. I really appreciate the insight of those who have read the books and watched the original series. I know that Ross doesn't want to be seen as like the others from his class but it just seems such a stretch that after one shag he would go on to marry.....

I think that Eleanor Tomlinson is fantastic as Demelza. She plays well the awkward teenager who is in love with her boss, the man that saved her from her abusive father. How could she not be in love with AT???? Poldark on the other hand is a bit of a shit, WTF with his moody behaviour never mind shagging the help and then marrying her when he clearly doesn't love her. Lets hope that in the next programme they give a bit of time to developing their relationship.