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Damian Lewis fans line up for Wolf Hall tonight

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Travelledtheworld · 21/01/2015 11:29

Wednesday 21st January BBC2 Channel 4

lush costumes.

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/11358197/Damian-Lewiss-inspiration-for-Wolf-Halls-Henry-VIII-Wills-and-Harry.html

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diddl · 23/01/2015 19:43

Well there had to be permission didn't there, so it would appear to have been badly wanted by someone!

And the poor woman had three(?) sons, none of which lived.

Just awful.

marshmallowpies · 23/01/2015 19:48

I think there is some evidence of a love match & H8 wanting to 'rescue' Catherine from being neglected - as a royal widow she had her own household but her father in law Henry VII saw her as a great political pawn and refused to let her marry Henry (the younger), although they did get betrothed I think, or go home to her parents, as she might be a useful marriage bargaining chip for him. As soon as Henry the younger became king, he married Catherine.

So I always imagined it was a love match, that he swept in and carried her off after his father made them wait several years to be married. If there is a grain of truth in it, even more sad how it ended up between them....

Theluckiestagain · 23/01/2015 20:29

I really enjoyed this. I thought it was grown-up and credited the viewers with intelligence (apart from the 'so let us set the scene for why Henry wants to divorce Katherine' over explanation bit). But it looked sumptuous and I immediately googled the characters to find out what happened as I'd forgotten.

My fingers are crossed for a Shardlake series...that would be bloody brilliant. Although Shardlake himself might be tricky. I see Toby Jones perhaps.

(By the way, shameless name drop...I worked with Mark Rylance on a project many years ago. He was very quiet, thoughtful, a very dry sense of humour and an altogether lovely man. I then bumped into him at a party many years later. I was rather squiffy and bounded up to him, gushing about our previous meeting like a massive twat well, MN he was a gent. Utterly lovely and he actually remembered me. I luffs him and he is a blinding actor)

I like Damian Lewis who actually seems to look like early portraits of Henry before he got all bloated and corpulent.

FrankelandFilly · 23/01/2015 20:35

Besides Mary, Catherine gave birth to 2 daughters and 3 sons. 3 of them were stillbirths, 1 daughter lived a week and 1 son lived a few months.

I saw a programme a week or so ago that discussed royal childbirth and said that royal women were actually at a higher risk of complications as their midwives were less experienced, attending significantly fewer births.

eddiemairswife · 23/01/2015 21:25

Henry marrying his brother's widow has been reflected in more recent times. The Queen's grandmother (Queen Mary) was engaged to Edward the Seventh's eldest son, he died and she married his younger brother (George the Fifth).

squoosh · 23/01/2015 21:28

Theluckiestagain Yes, Toby Jones would be the perfect choice to play Matthew Shardlake!

Trills · 24/01/2015 00:20

Just caught up.

Iplayer asked me if I was over 16. I can't for the life of me understand why.

YonicScrewdriver · 24/01/2015 07:02

Me too, Trills - I think it must have been the kicking scene and Cromwell says fuck once.

Trills · 24/01/2015 08:32

Ah yes, the kicking.

Travelledtheworld · 24/01/2015 12:29

In an attempt to wean myself off bedtime MNing on my iPad,
I HAVE BOUGHT THE BOOK .....

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Davros · 24/01/2015 18:36

I haven't watched it yet or read the thread. So why am I here? Just want to boast that we had our wedding reception in Thomas Cromwell's Canonbury home. Twas lovely

Travelledtheworld · 24/01/2015 19:20

ooooh Daveos did you have a Tudor style banquet ?

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FrankelandFilly · 24/01/2015 19:20

Did anyone watch the Anne Boleyn programme on BBC2 a few weeks ago? It's still on iplayer so I was thinking about watching it. Going to watch the programme about Holbein on BBC2 tonight at 9pm too.

YonicScrewdriver · 24/01/2015 19:29

Yes it was good.

getdownshep · 24/01/2015 19:37

Just watched it again, in the dark with my wood burner going. Enjoyed it much more second time round.
I felt during the death scenes he glanced at the two women servants as he sat on his wife's bed. Maybe he wouldn't have broken down completely in front of them?
I haven't read the books so have to google certain characters to see what's going on.

JustCallMeDory · 24/01/2015 20:42

Mary Cromwell showed his daughter the prayer book, not the English bible, which he left still unopened on the table beside them as they looked at the illuminated letters of the prayer book together.

iamusuallybeingunreasonable · 24/01/2015 20:45

Wolsey looks like Jimmy Saville - or is it just me?! Shudder Confused

Tiredemma · 24/01/2015 21:47

Alison Weir 'six wives of Henry VIII' gives good 'background'

marshmallowpies · 24/01/2015 22:15

I've got the Antonia Fraser 'Six Wives'. It's a very good, quick, page-turning read.

FrankelandFilly · 24/01/2015 22:17

Alison Weir's historical fiction book "Innocent Traitor" is also very good. It's about Lady Jane Grey who, I feel, is an often overlooked Tudor. She went through so much in her very short life.

hilbobaggins · 24/01/2015 22:22

I just watched this and thought it was astonishingly good. I loved the darkness, the candlelight and the subtle stillness of Mark Rylance's Cromwell. The death of his wife and daughters was so horrific and yet so contained - never seem anything quite like it. I'm finding the whole thing very hard to fault!

Behooven · 24/01/2015 22:22

I've just watched it. LOVED LOVED IT.

Can someone explains what disease his family died from?

squoosh · 24/01/2015 22:34

I think there's some debate but historians seem to think they died from Sweating Sickness. I think it was a bit of a mystery as far as illnesses went and seemed to disappear after the 16th century.

squoosh · 24/01/2015 22:35

I think it was sudden onset with death often happening just a few hours after the first symptoms.

FrankelandFilly · 24/01/2015 22:36

They died from "sweating sickness". More here