Damian Lewis fans line up for Wolf Hall tonight

[Travelledtheworld]

Wednesday 21st January BBC2 Channel 4

lush costumes.

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/11358197/Damian-Lewiss-inspiration-for-Wolf-Halls-Henry-VIII-Wills-and-Harry.html

I know everyone has answered this already - but there wasn't really a formal thing called 'Protestantism' then, that's the name attached to it later. Henry was still a Catholic, just one who wanted to make himself the head of the Catholic Church in his own country instead of the Pope.

This is what I find really thrilling - the danger and excitement of hearing the Word of God in your own language, that it was something people were prepared to die for. The power of putting that knowledge in your own tongue, not hiding behind the glamour and mystery of the Mass. So much came from that one thing, the bible in native languages. (I'm an atheist, by the way, but I'm definitely a CofE atheist!)

Ah, thank you for the explanation.

Anne also played a brazen posh strumpet in the recent remake of Upstairs Downstairs.

Agree she is miscast. Very tepid and bloodless. She was never a looker but had legendary charm. Little evidence of that so far. She just seems to do a lot of hard, Paddington stares.

I'm an atheist too, but I rather like the whole bells and smells thing. Might as well have your nonsense as mystical as possible, I reckon.

I'm a Catholic atheist marshamallow, more snacks and more candles.

And don't forget the wine Squoosh

Ha ha, my DH is the atheist Catholic so I can check the doctrine details with him. Purgatory is still a thing, apparently? I know the pope got rid of Limbo a while back.

I was fascinated by the idea of Luther saying 'you don't need a priest to commune with God on your behalf, you can have a personal relationship with god''. Such a revolutionary idea! But I agree losing a bit of the magic and mystery was perhaps a pity. And all that lovely stained glass.

Catholic churches are just so pretty [shallow]

That's it marshmallow. What for us is available in every British hotel room was forbidden and dangerous back then. And to even posess a copy of Tynedales bible at that time was very risky indeed. Hence TCs coaxing of Liz to look at it earlier and his comment of her being surprised as to what is NOT in it.
Rome had a stranglehold on all representation of God, an English Bible would allow the populace to find out for themselves, without the spin of the Church.
God forbid the people should think for themselves.

There was an interesting programme on BBC4 just before Wolf Hall tonight, about William Tyndale.

It explained Henry's thoughts on the Protestant v Catholic thing really well.

P.s. TC - I so would

Ah yes VerstalVirgin communion wine is always welcome............once I can get past the ultra sweet taste and the idea of everyone's else's saliva swilling about in it!

Agree KatieScarlet. The very last thing the Catholic church wanted was for people to start thinking for themselves. God forbid.

Much better to keep them all illiterate and credulous. All the better to fleece them, my dear.

Well the ones I've been in have been all horrid 1960s ones - but then why is that? Oh yes all the nice old churches became CofE after the Reformation. Sorry, we nicked your churches! Oops. Blame Damien Lewis and Mark Rylance!

I did find St Peters in Rome a bit OTT (though Michaelangelo's Pieta is the kind of graven image I can live with) but have seen the stained glass at Chartres cathedral and that was pretty good, giving an idea of what we lost in the Reformation. And some of it was the Puritans too, later on.

Mark Rylance just isn't doing it for me. And you know why? Because he looks like Kevin Keegan circa 1983, complete with dodgy perm.

There, I've said it.

Citron - Have recorded that & am dying to watch it.

PS Would also do TC (aka Mark Rylance) in a heartbeat.

I don't think translating the Bible to English was intended to help people think for themselves exactly, hellfire and damnation for those who didn't live by the word were still the order of the day.

I was hoping Cranmer would pop up again this week looking all smouldery.

I love Wolf Hall so much I want to roll around in it like a puppy on a dead seagull. Does anyone else just fucking unadulteratedly LOVE it? TC yes please, in a heartbeat.

Squoosh think of it more as a communal mouthwash rather than the blood of Christ.

HTH

I once saw an older lady down the whole chalice of wine if one gulp. To be fair, I have a feeling it wasn't her first drink of the day!

I think the reformers believed that the populace would think for themselves if they could read the Bible in English, as regards the Church and its practices.
But yes, know your place was the object of the day where even your clothes were determined by your rank. No purple surcoat for you, peasant!

I love Wolf Hall so much I want to roll around in it like a puppy on a dead seagull. Does anyone else just fucking unadulteratedly LOVE it? TC yes please, in a heartbeat.

Yes, yes & I'll punch your eyes out to get to TC before you.

Yes AnneoCheese. I want it to be true and live there in a velvet dress with pearls draped around my buzzum flirting with Tom Crom...

AnneofCheese YY absolutely loving it. I'm already counting down the days til next Weds.

I haven't enjoyed anything on telly this much since P&P in 1995.