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What's the right diet for you, Horizon Special

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Italiangreyhound · 12/01/2015 22:01

What's the right diet for you, Horizon Special

I am watching this, anyone else?

What's the right diet for you, Horizon Special

www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z2csfg8

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TalkinPeace · 16/01/2015 13:19

facsicle / statistically
On one of Michael Mosely's early programmes they used cameras and diaries and meta analysis of previous studies to show that

  • people over estimate the amount of exercise they have done by 30%
  • people under estimate the calories they have taken in by 30%

I'm a gym bunny. I've done a mile swim and two one hour classes this morning.
By my maths that is 900 extra calories burned over and above my BMR.
For lunch I had a single slice ham, cheese and pickle sandwich on white with mayo and a banana and am having a cup of tea.
By my maths that is around 500 calories.

For a non athlete, the amounts of exercise we do are rarely enough to burn up the excess treat calories we give ourselves.

That and TDEE drops by 5% a decade ....

StatisticallyChallenged · 16/01/2015 13:36

Erm, that's pretty much what I was saying isn't it?

I personally feel that the "exercise doesn't help with weight loss" line is getting somewhat misquoted and incorrectly used. If used correctly, and monitored properly, then exercise will burn calories and all else being equal that's beneficial for weight loss. If you then eat those calories - or more - or reduce your normal activity levels to compensate then exercise won't help with weight loss.

So surely the message shouldn't be "exercise is no good for weight loss" but "exercise can help with weight loss if used correctly"

TalkinPeace · 16/01/2015 13:40

statistically
On the weight loss threads we tend to put more emphasis on

  • exercise will help you be healthier as you lose weight
  • exercise will help your skin to shrink neatly
  • exercise will mean that the slimmer comes out ready toned
but the only way to lose weight is to eat less than your body needs.
StatisticallyChallenged · 16/01/2015 13:47

I've seen quite a few threads just in the last few days (not saying you/yours) where people have asked/discussed exercise and responses such as "don't worry/bother, exercise doesn't help with weight loss, it's all about diet" have been repeated by many people. I don't agree with that message.

Whilst that can be the case, you can also eat less than your body needs by increasing your energy expenditure - so long as you are sensible, track what you are doing and eating, etc etc etc. I'm losing weight just now, I'm walking miles every day (where I didn't used to), I'm going to the gym 5 days a week, weighted hula hooping every day...and I am nowhere near eating those extra calories. I don't believe that it won't help with actual weight loss if I am not eating to compensate.

TalkinPeace · 16/01/2015 13:55

statistically
If you are going from sedentary to moderate exercise then you will get a difference - exercise increases your TDEE by around 15% after all
and improving muscle tone raises calorie requirements
BUT
I see so many people at the gym doing a half hearted aqua class and then 'treating themselves' with a blerdy great muffin and a coffee .....

StatisticallyChallenged · 16/01/2015 14:07

But that is precisely my point Grin. It's not the exercise that doesn't work, it's the way people use it.

Doesn't help when you get flipping Daily Mail headlines saying "exercise doesn't help weight loss" and then you read and oh, shocker it's because folk eat a cake and have a huge cappuccino afterwards! (I have a friend who does this then says the gym doesn't help...)

I reckon (going by fitbit and the difference between that and sedendary tdee) I'm probably running close to a 50% increase from what I was before. Walking roughly 6 miles a day, doing C25K (in the gym, nowhere good for running here!) plus whatever else I do in there. Plus about 40 minutes of weighted hula hooping in the evening.

judydoes · 16/01/2015 18:29

I'm watching it on iplayer and I can't help thinking that all the experiments, I am sure I'd have been aware of what the team were trying to prove? Thus I would have done the opposite? Like the tiredness experiment, or the sushi party? Did anybody else think that?

ByTheSea · 16/01/2015 20:38

I am 64% feaster, the 27% constant craver and 9% emotional eater. I have always thought that I don't get the full signal from stomach to brain until way after I have eaten too much. I think DD2 is the same.

StatisticallyChallenged · 16/01/2015 20:59

I'm 51% constant craver, 49% feaster...by fluke I started doing 5:2 recently, but have also completely given up bread, pasta and almost all potatoes!

judydoes · 16/01/2015 21:07

I got 45% constant craver and 41% feaster.
I'm not overweight.I eat large portions and often go back for seconds or thirds, but I don't tend to stay full for long either.

I thought I'd get more emotional eater as I do turn to food when I'm upset, but then if I am really stressed or having a very bad time prolonged I tend to not eat that much.

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