MNPD assemble! It's Broadchurch time

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Notebooks at the ready We should have enough information at the end of the first episode to start cooking up some slightly implausible theories.

Just played it back she says "Tom who is 13 and huge and Fred who's nearly 2"

Definitely not Bertie.

Well it sounded like Bertie to me! Even the subtitles said "Bertie".

I do love subtitles.

Doesn't sound at all like Bertie to me. I think it's just Miller's accent and some dodgy sound balancing on the programme. It's all been a bit mumbly and apologetically odd this series. It's almost like they're not proud of the programme this time round. Shocking.

I'm not even english and I could understand those accents perfectly. Foggy in the jungle though (karl fogarty) I hadn't a clue what he was saying. Wherever he is from that accent is tough to crack.

Almost everything I watch has subtitles so it was funny to put on the iplayer and not have the option to put up subtitles! I had to fool the browswer in to thinking i was in the uk and put in a fake post code but for broadchurch i did that. I am liking it so far though.

Question for Araminta: Having watched series one back to back knowing who did it, did you think in the end that the conclusion was right? Did you think the clues were there? Also does any enormous unresolved end herring spring to mind which could now be pertinent to the new series.
General question: Is it possible that new baby might not be the husbands? it was when he said "hello I'm your daddy" that I started to wonder. Could it possibly be the Vicar's - mainly because he turned up so promptly afterwards!D

That should be red herring!

it could be OC's son, couldn't it. Still.

Lillian, that's a darn good point! The husband is a dodgy character, I'm sure of it. As is the vicar; I've never seen anyone look so shifty all the time!

It's a fairly common TV/drama trope, I think, for someone to be known to be having an affair but then for it to be revealed that the other party is also having one.

Although I'm not sure I know how it might be pertinent even if the child IS revealed to be the vicar's. Dramatic and scandalous, yes, but pertinent to Danny/Joe/the Sandbrook case/Hardy etc? Don't know ...

Lillian, last series, wasn't the vicar the first person Beth told that she was pregnant, and it was all a bit cloak-and-dagger? I seem to recall suspicions about whether he was the father then......

Yes yes swinging one of the brothers in photo is well known actor, was in married,single, other and playing the field??

I've no idea what relevance that would have to be honest. I'm going from my usual standpoint which is that the least likely person is usually the murderer. In the previous series Joe definitely fell into that category (unles/ Araminta tells me otherwise) but at the start of series two he seems like the most likely person to be guilty - which probably means he won't be. If you see what I mean (not even sure if I see what I mean!)
I also see parallels between the way Joe was supposedly behaving with Danny (meeting him in secret etc) and the way Danny's dad is now behaving with OC's son - meeting at the caravan, not telling his wife etc etc Where was he when she went into labour?

he seems like the most likely person to be guilty - which probably means he won't be. If you see what I mean

Yes, I do.

I agree about the parallels between Joe and Danny's dad, too. What IS he playing at?

The woman in the window is the mother of the murdered girl. Beth met with her in series 1 , she warned Beth that DT would bugger up the case as he had with her daughter's. (she played that loony GP in Enders year back, can't remember her name).

Was Joe the least likely person? really early on we saw Joe's son deleting text messages and hiding phones and it was hardly going to be a child that was the killer. I wondered if he was protecting his father. But then, it was like that film the prestige you don't see what you're seeing ..............

Well, and he was the cop's husband and a mild-mannered, devoted stay-at-home dad and yada yada.

I seem to remember the finger of suspicion pointed at some more obviously 'dubious' types early on: Pauline Quirke's character, the old bloke who killed himself ...

The suspicious vicar, Mark's workmate (can't remember his name) with the van - still looking a bit suspicious this time, the daughter with the dodgy boyfriend, in fact just about anyone but Joe - don't really remember much about him apart from the final episode that's why I'm hoping Araminta - who just watched the first series knowing the outcome - will come on here and fill me in.

Mark's colleague is Nige. He is SO suss. I thought he was a wrong 'un from the start of the first series.

I take back everything I said.
apologies to everyone. I have read an episode summary for series 1. bought everything back to my mind.
writer of the series clearly states that Joe is the killer. end of. no doubt.

as others have said, that is a given. now it's just showing how it affects the whole community and how everyone has something to hide.

Who the feck goes to court when they've just given birth? This is getting sillier and sillier.

There is defo something about Nige. Not sure what though.

I think Tom killed Danny by accident and that Joe is covering for him. I think he's confessed to the vicar that he didn't do it too.

Araminta thank you so much for that. I think it may have been me who accidentally let slip the ending on The Missing thread before Christmas Though in fact it has proved quite useful for you to do a detailed analysis of series one That is how I remembered it - him being the least likely culprit and in fact the ending being rather unsatisfactory because nothing had pointed to him up until that time (which is I think how I let slip - I was looking for the least likely suspect in The Missing). Now he is the most likely suspect does that effectively rule him out I wonder? Who do you think it could be after watching Series One? Or is it in fact just him and this is a way of drawing out the trial to the length of time it takes to solve Sandbrook? (By the way, does anyone know what Sandbrook is - is it the name of a person or a place?)