The Missing BBC1- thread 3

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Now, about that scarf.....

Mark said blood tests were inconclusive but there might be enough dna left to run more tests.

He Always looks shifty to me! Unless he's just a rubbish actor, but he's been in lots of things I believe.

Ooo yy to him swapping evidence. Why did we not get to see inside the envelope until the reveal at the station ?

Plus Mark knew about things- warehouse raid and Leon meeting Baptiste (and probably other things- the girlfriend of Leon talking to Baptise??) and was in an ideal place to be able to (1) get rid of evidence from wRehouse (2) kill/get Leon killed before he could talk (3) have her throat slashed etc.

He is always There.

Plus I don't like him!!!

(Actually, I prefer my whole town theory, but the Mark thing makes sense)

Refuse to entertain the idea that Baptiste had anything to do with Ollie. Heay be a dodgy cop - all I'd them are to one degree or another - but his hunt for Ollie is genuine

The colour yellow appearsbablit. Yellow scarf, yellow ball in pool, yellow cleaning cloth, yellow sun, yellow toy truck on Marks desk and yellow flowers next to Baptiste's bees. What does yellow signify? I thought it was cowardice.

Perhaps yellow as in 'tie a yellow ribbon' - a symbol of remembering the missing and believing in their homecoming?

FallonColby I agree that Mark & Greg exchanged looks at the Hospice.
It may have just been that Mark knew about the incident involving Tony ... both from the original investigation and documents showing Greg's injuries and recognised him or most likely from Emily herself. Surely she would have said something. But.... It looked different to that.

I think a plot implausibility is the speed in which Mark got hold of the forensic report (paid for in cash), when the item was still an utterly unknown object, and may not have been something for which forensic testing would be indicated.

Maybe he didn't get a report but made Malik believe he had, it order to put pressure on him.

I quite liked him in Primeavil (oh arse how do you spell it?). I keep changing my mind on who did it. Logically I think Alain, Georges and CdC did the deed with Ian and Seig on the periphery and I think Vincent witnessed something which has haunted him ever since. I think Ziane had nothing to do with the abduction but was just being blackmailed because of his past.

It's the Malik and Mark characters that puzzle me. I haven't particularly seen Mark do anything suspicious and he seems very devoted to Emily which means it could well be him! (Although I think any kind of Ollie/James mix up thing would take longer than an hour to explain and the Times write up seems to suggest that this episode addresses a lot of the fallout from the abduction not the actual abduction IYSWIM) And what was the Malik comment about him not being a bad man just a man who'd done bad things? Perhaps he genuinely believed that the sobriety coin wasn't significant because it had no DNA on it. But then why keep it in a safe?

Wellthatsit wouldn't that be a bit high risk? Because if Malik knew the report was fake, why would that be any sort of lever?

Whatever happens tonight, I hope that it is satisfying.

I expect to be gasping and saying "wow!" And then at the end saying "of course!"

I am looking forward to reading this thread after 10pm and also reading the spoiler thread to see what they actually knew over there!!

I do NOT want to be feeling let down and disapointed or still not knowing at 10pm tonight!!

indianashopgirl did you also notice the scene in the hospital? The man and the boy also in the room- the man looked so like Greg, I wonder is he married to Mark's ex? Beside the point, I still think that was quite a pivotal scene, the first time Emily showed any real emotion and also the ankle injury - too much of a coincidence that Ollie had also had an ankle injury?

Didn't Silvie give Tony back the picture with the big ears that Ollie had drawn? She said she found it and knew that Tony wouldn't want to lose it, she could have copied it or lent it to somebody else to draw that picture in the basement wall. There as to be some significance to her having it. Only I'm not sure what year it was when she handed it back to Tony.

The pic was in the car the night if the abduction, so Syvie is unlikely to have seen it before Ollie went missing.

It gets very complicated if you start postulating that it was remembered by someone with access to the garage and then planted in the cellar (which undercuts my pet theory of Sieg doing exactly that, as neither man I. The garage was Sieg and there was no sign of a ProNettoyage van in there at the same time).

Also, it was a distinctive way that Ollie had of drawing his father, and only someone close to the family before the disappearance would have known it was characteristic.

The pic was in the car at the time of the disappearance, yes. But then tony carried it with him for 8 yrs until he left it in his shirt pocket and sylvie found it when doing his laundry.
although I did think that gave her a good opp to tell tony about the coin...

Unlikely as I think though AuntieStella that drawing may not have been drawn back then. It would then of course mean Sieg is in on it and lying that it was there in 2006. Plus it would mean someone drawing it prior to 2014 and finding it easy to gain access to the cellar.
I was about to say that it also needed Tony to take the bait of the scarf in the fb picture but actually the police had the video of the house as well with the Nettoyage van outside and the footage of Ollie in the window.

Could it all have been a conspiracy to pin it on other people - ie Caid de Cite?

PS Not sure if I believe this either just that all the clues about Ollie .... The drawing on the wall, the fb pic, the scarf, the video aren't definitive proof that he was in that house. But as we've said before, we are maybe overthinking and we maybe need to suspend belief a little. It's a TV drama.

I may be giving a 4/5 year too much credit, but it also occurred to me that the picture on the wall is Ollie's way of telling us who took him.

Well, we know Sieg was in the basement in 2006 (unless the video is fake). He described the picture, so had either seen it or been told about it.

We don't know if he was there at any other point up to ?2010 when they had the builders in and chucked out the stuff to the charity shop.

We don't know when the drawing was done, but we do know the scarf was there no later than 2010.

If either/both scarf and drawing were put in basement other than on disappearance night, then by whom (Mme Clos? Builders?)

Though I do think anything other than on disappearance night is too complicated.

Tests on the coin were inconclusive to what? do we know

It does seem a bit much that the woman didn't notice the drawing on the wall in her own house after 8 years but Tony sees it straight away.

Jumping in again!

I am sure the woman in the house said that they had been away on holiday & having work done at that time when Ollie went missing in 2006? That is how Ollie came to be there in the 2006 video. People are getting confused ;)!

I reckon that makes it Ian. He was involved in renovations etc, so it could have been his company employed to do the works. All he said was that he hadn't seen/touched Ollie "your boy" I think he said. I don't remember whether he said seen or touched. But if it was "I didn't touch your boy" that doesn't mean he didn't see him or have responsibility for him being taken.

Cannot wait til tonight!

Yes and Tony's eyesight must be pretty impressive to spot the drawing behind whatsoever it was ... The tiniest part of hair sticking out.

But .. I agree it's unlikely to have been drawn later but not impossible. Sieg was there in 2006 to clean up but in spite of the fact that those asking him to do the job were throat slashing, masked men, he thought he'd just leave a little something so that the boy doesn't completely disappear. Why ? Because he's just a big softie? I just think there must be more to that.
If you are working for a gang- he said he did jobs no questions asked- wouldn't you be worried about leaving evidence?

I'm sure really that this isn't a red herring .... I'm just looking at all angles.
Filling my time to stop me going mad before 9pm.
The funny thing is that today I remarked to my DH that there's a drawing/ writing in our cellar. It's never been renovated so we've never removed it! Should I be worried?

The funny thing is that today I remarked to my DH that there's a drawing/ writing in our cellar. It's never been renovated so we've never removed it! Should I be worried?

Indianashopgirl dunnit!

Mme Clos and family were away in holiday in 2006 for several weeks over the summer.

I thought she had the builders in about 4 years before Tony and Baptiste went to see her in 2014 (which ties in with the date she gave the scarf and other stuff she turned out if the basement to the charity shop).

We don't know her maiden name (or any other name she has used, as Clos might be her maiden name with 'Mme' just as grown up French style). And as someone knew it was safe to use the house (and did not appear to have broken in) who was that person? Could she be another Deloix? Or linked to another protagonist?

Hmm, can anyone rewatch that episode with the house? I have been convinced all along that the builders were in while the family were on holiday & that's how they had access to keep a boy there. I will be most annoyed with myself if I have got it wrong!