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misstiredbuthappy · 12/03/2014 21:08

Anybody watching ? I watched it last year realy hit a nerve with me.

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Snargaluff · 15/03/2014 13:28

The couple who had been on heroin struck me as still being on it. I thought that before they said they had been addicts. They had that glazed expression.

Jamie did come across as clueless but of course he would be, he's very well off and fairly young. He really did care though. Mohammed was brilliant.

It just goes to show that poverty takes away your choices. You get so stuck.

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy · 15/03/2014 13:31

The problem with these shows is that we can see all they have, but very little on how they were obtained - gifts, bought prior to being on benefits, really good deals and debt. The TV I currently have looks like a wide flat screen one - it was a free gift from a friend when he upgraded. The one before, old box job, £20 on eBay. Sky boxes can be bought secondhand and used as freeview boxes, a basic subscription is less than £25, can be gifted to people (we got ours when my inlaws got a great 'get a friend to buy one, get a free upgrade' deal years back). All of our furniture is gifts, charity and second hand shops, or built . I'm sitting in the living room and the only thing I can see that as bought new is storage baskets that were less than £5. The presumption that these all were bought full price in their current situation is part of rhetoric that poor people deserve to be poor.

Worst, I find that they teach that the poor deserve no fun, no joy, nothing but survive if that (with ill people being begrudged heat) - because the systems say that the needs of life must be exchange for with cash that it controls. When the energy company can triple your monthly bill in a flash without a word to you, when your closet shops sell only junk food and ready meals and the cost to get to one that sells proper food eats into your grocery budget, when everything you need is in the hands of others, how much control do you really have on your circumstances? We don't attack the systems that force these situation, that prevent any real control, the media attacks those trying to find some joy in a system that begrudges them existence at all.

I live in an area where all the main traditional employers are not hiring and most are laying people off. I know one person who on and off the dole for years now because crap temp jobs have become the new major employer. The system has made temporary, part-time, underpaid jobs the norm. I do know a disabled man who managed to get a rare permanent full time job - but that was after years of being bounced between disability and unemployment benefit, years of asking for help from the system and being told he can't get help getting work on disability and can't get help his disabilities on unemployment and by chance getting help from a recruiter who took the time to help him in hopes of passing his improved details and CV on. The system is broken and we blame those trying to make their way in it.

I am a person who starved as a child by a man who could more than afford to feed me - and all I was taught then and taught now by these programmes is that he is allowed to get away with it and be a welcome member of his community because he has money and his family has a network. I had social services literally pull into the driveway after a complaint from my teacher, talk to my father for two minutes, and then drive away. I was put into a group for depressed teens at 11 which was actually the schools only way of helping and guiding those of us who were being neglected and abused because they knew kids in our area didn't get social services' attention. I told a cop at 14 that I had been left home alone for weeks and likely wouldn't see a parent for a few more and they were more concerned that animals had gotten into the rubbish and made a mess of their pretty street than my welfare. I had a school nurse spread rumours that I was anorexic to cover the weight loss I suffered by neglect. A person trying to live with shock bills in poverty, cope with raising living costs with disabilities, being taken advantage of by others, by companies, by the system gets more scorn and hate in these programmes, in this culture, than someone who with a good postcode and a starving child. These shows support a system where our lives are nothing more than commodities, knowing that the current system would happily leave us to die and the poor get blamed for it - never thinking that its the systems that need to be challenged, taken apart, and changed.

bishbashboosh · 15/03/2014 13:37

Were were their teeth ?

Snargaluff · 15/03/2014 13:43

They had been addicted to heroin which is why they had no teeth

bishbashboosh · 15/03/2014 14:51

Sorry in just naive when it comes to drugs

GobbySadcase · 15/03/2014 15:27

Of course. Because trying to see an issue from all angles makes a person condescending.

And telling people to just 'get a job' isn't.

Yelling Daily Mail platitudes rather than engaging in discussion on how the situation may really be isn't at all ignorant or inflammatory.

For eg "perhaps it's an area of low employment"
"THEY SHOULD GIVE UP SMOKING!!!"

That's not discussion. It's being unable to construct a coherent case.

whineaholic · 15/03/2014 16:08

You're not exactly seeing things from other angles yourself ,gobby.

Every idea or opinion or suggestion that anyone offers is met with a litany of reasons why people can't do anything, at all, to improve their situations.

You refuse to see people in poverty as anything other than useless victims. I found that was very much the attitude of the previous Labour Govt which incensed me then and continues to do so.

I've already said that I am married to someone who came from poverty ( far worse than any seen on the programme, believe you me ) who is now highly succesful and highly paid. And yet according to you he should have simply been left to rot in poverty by left wing handwringers making a million excuses for why he couldn't change any part of his life. Well yah boo sucks to that and all the other poverty apologists.

specialsubject · 15/03/2014 16:35

Councils should never have been allowed to sell off so much of their housing stock without building new homes with the proceeds

blindingly sensible comment alert! This is still happening, social housing is sold off without being replaced. The replacements don't have to be new tatty boxes either; so much housing stock already there, could be properly renovated for much less money.

whineaholic · 15/03/2014 16:38

I think the selling off of social housing was a dreadful, awful social wrong. The fact that no Govts. have put a stop to this is continuing that wrong.

Decent, affordable social housing is the mark of a civilised society. Having to rent privately and live in insecure housing is wrong, wrong , wrong!

LondonNinja · 15/03/2014 16:49

YY to Whinge. I, too, find the attitude that the poor are thick, incapable and lacking in motivation shocking.

I'm not a Tory, either, before that lazy argument is trotted out.

The lack of affordable housing is crazy. Why is nothing being done to redress this?

BMW6 · 15/03/2014 17:32

Apart from spreadsheet lady all the families were in food poverty because of debts having to be paid in priority to food.

That issue must be addressed for any improveent in their situations to be achieved.

Banning Payday Loans would be the first step IMO. Then set a limit on the APR that can legally be charged.

I don't understand why the couple who were in massive debt of over 20k (he worked in Security) did not go for Bankruptcy. Madness not to.

hickorychicken · 15/03/2014 17:42

The thing is with bancrupcy is that it can affect loads so i can see why they wouldnt go for it. When applying for private rented accomadation or even some jobs it comes up on a credit check.
Do you think its fair to say that the long term unemployed struggle more than people have come out of a job, and are actively looking?

whineaholic · 15/03/2014 17:46

How diffocult would it be to legislate for a maximum APR I wonder?

expatinscotland · 15/03/2014 17:49

'I don't understand why the couple who were in massive debt of over 20k (he worked in Security) did not go for Bankruptcy. Madness not to.'

It can cost about £800, for one thing. You can also lose your job, depending on where you work. You then have a slim to none chance of getting a private let again without a guarantor (which a lot of people don't have).

Lots of reasons.

bishbashboosh · 15/03/2014 18:22

Bankruptcy is tricky. If you have a car they can take that, how do you get to work? Employers aren't alwAys sympathetic. You have to go to court which is mortifying. Sometimes you end up in the classifieds. You can't get credit or a mortgage for at least 6 years. How do you tell people ? You can't be a governor or many other things, bankruptcy is such a stigma. Added to that some people are so low they can't even pick up the phone, they're terrified of admitting their problem. You can't even get catalogue credit so that's at least 6 years of living literally hand to mouth. When you are down to your last 1p, you really are, and if you have children to feed that is devastating

GobbySadcase · 15/03/2014 18:27

Have I called anyone thick or incapable?
Circumstances are often far more complex than can be seen on the surface in many situations. Your bluster and 'gerrajob' attitude isn't helpful. It suggests that people willingly live with a situation that can be fixed by getting a job when in many situations it's just not that simple.

I will agree the cost of housing has a lot to do with the problems people have in affording to live. And our prime minister thinks companies like Wonga should replace the now extinct crisis loan, compounding debt problems.

GobbySadcase · 15/03/2014 18:29

Oh expat don't be so gloomy. Let's all spout simplistic platitudes about how work conquers all (after all whinge's husband did it so everyone can yeah right).

Wink
whineaholic · 15/03/2014 18:47

Well, in the World According To Gobby - no one can. How depressing, Gobby. I know which world I prefer to inhabit but you continue wallowing in victimhood.

GobbySadcase · 15/03/2014 19:19

You can always see a person's ability to discuss a topic is faltering when they resort to personal attacks to try to shut the thread down.

whineaholic · 15/03/2014 19:25

Oh, completely agree, gobby

Nice to see the thick twats with an empathy bypass are out of the woodwork yet again...

Guess who said that ^^ go on, five points for the correct answer Wink

umbrellahead · 15/03/2014 20:16

But whine, if you were faced with the choice of employing either a 17 year old out of school with a set of qualifications or an addict with a criminal record which would you employ? Sadly when there are only a limited number of jobs going that is the choice employers have to make, rightly or wrongly.

usualsuspectt · 15/03/2014 20:19

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GobbySadcase · 15/03/2014 20:19

Hmm. Aimed at nobody in particular as there were a fair few about at that time.

Therefore not a personal attack.

GobbySadcase · 15/03/2014 20:20

Don't be silly umbrella, everyone can get a job on planet whine...

whineaholic · 15/03/2014 20:22

Why on earth would anyone be opposed to social housing?