This Strictly Come Dancing thing - are the judges a bit racist?

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So for the first time in my life, I have been exposed to this Strictly stuff. Fairly predictably it was utter crap. Brucie almost remembered all of his lines, which was good.

Then I started looking at the scores.

You tell me why this performance - Susanna Reid & Kevin dance the Paso Doble to 'Los Toreadors' - - where the non-professional swished her skirts a few times

got the same marks as this performance.
Natalie Gumede & Artem dance the Charleston to 'Bang Bang'- Where the non-professional played a blinder. That girl could seriously but seriously dance.

And then tell me that racism isn't institutional.

Are you going to answer DontmindifIdo

You have already said you have never watched Strictly before so you really are making massive assumptions about what has happened on the rest of the shows based on one snapshot.

I don't think facts were ever really important here.

It's odd because I have genuinely never thought of Strictly as being remotely racist. Whereas I have cringed at the way the men have been objectified this series (Bruno, Craig and Darcy drooling over Ben and Ashley).

And of course I just generally cringe at Brucie

What an absolute load of bollocks this thread is.

This is exactly what gives those who cry racism a bad name.

OP, you actually know nothing about dancing, that is very clear. Plus you are someone who puts skin colour first, before every other consideration. Strictly could be accused of sexism, it has been accused of ageism. Your uninformed comments and clear misunderstanding make you appear very foolish.

Ok MrsCakes, can you answer this question:

Which of the two is a better dancer?

And the follow up question is, why did the marks not reflect this?

Has it occurred to you that your behaviour towards Susannah is coming across as racist?

Plenty of people have explained. What you seem to mean is that no-one has agreed with your explanation of why they got the same marks.

I don't think you want to hear anything that doesn't agree with your interpretation, so we're all wasting our time really.

The better dancer on Saturday night was Susannah. I don't know why the marks did not reflect this.

LeBear

I couldn't stop cringing last night when Brucie shouted at Craig that Mark had done well for a guy of his size

Which of the two is a better dancer?

Suzannah - how many times can it be said on one thread.

Are you for real?! You jump straight to racism?

Someone's on the wind up tonight

Oh, I know! It was awful.

Look, not one person has argued that Susannah can dance better than Natalie. Not one. She can't. It's unfortunate and nothing to do with skin colour but she just can't.

So tell me why the marks didn't reflect that.

So you think Natalie should have been given 40, or that suzannah should have gotten a lower score?

The only way to be fair, is for everyone to do the same dance. It would then be judged alongside it each other. Lively music, with good interpretation will always do well.
Susannah & Kevin's dance was pure paso, and deserved the points it got. Natalie is in a different league - but she was out of time on several occasions. Each dance is judged individually - you can't compare a paso to a charleston . Also the paso was very traditional and probably appealed to the Blackpool crowd, whereas the Charleston was very traditional but with a super cool piece of music - probably not so popular.

not sure why I am bothering, but worth a shot

Because Suzannas interpretation of the Paso was technically better than Natalie's rather flat charleston. (Sophie EB did a better charleston earlier in the series.) therefore Natalie's charleston had already been beaten and did not deserve top marks, particularly as she should be the better dancer.

Suzannas paso was so good, and such a step up in technique that she deserved the raised marks.

This is very simple. Your refusal to accept any sort of argument other than racism leads me to believe you are just another Goady fucker because no one could actually be that stupid.

Maybe they are marking Sophie down because she is not embracing the strictly perma-tan.

Vintagebeads Sun 17-Nov-13 21:39:02

Suzannah was better than Nathalie by a mile IMO....that's assuming I am allowed one.

ZombieMonkeyButler Sun 17-Nov-13 21:39:46
Answers to your latest questions;

1. No, Natalie did not perform the best dance last night. To my (albeit untrained) eye Abbey & Alijaz and Susanna & Kevin were better. I am a fan of Natalie & Artem, but did not particularly enjoy their Charleston.

So that's two people who do say that Susannah danced better than Natalie - despite your reiterated claim that not one person has said so.

Although why I am bothering to point this out when you are clearly only interesting in picking out the details that support your point, I don't know.

Having watched both the paso and the charleston, I prefered the paso. I liked seeing it danced traditionally and felt that the Charleston was a bit scruffy in places. So giving them equal marks seems quite generous to Natalie IMO.

I'm sure that next week Natalie will be back in the lead where she usually is. She is the better dancer generally but not this week.

I genuinely am not being a goady fucker. I am in fact inviting you all to study institutional racism and the way it can manifest itself in even the tritest of events.

Sieveoooplay - you have argued that Susannah is the better dancer. That's just a long way away from a sustainable argument. Are you sure? Why would you think that?

Downton - Sophie's Charleston was in a different league to Natalie's, wasn't it? Now that was a fantastic dance. Stunning.

'Flat' is exactly the word for Natalie's - if you think back to how effortless Sophie made it look.

I can't be bothered any more.

I think last night Sophie suffered from going first. If she'd been in the middle of the order the judges might have been a bit less conservative with their marking.

Given how much of an issue was made of Anton Fiona being out of time the other week Natalie got off lightly. I was expecting the judges to have picked it up and been a bit more negative about it. Other have certainly been marked down more for it.

Suzanna was the better dancer on the night.

Natalie is amazing, probably the best contestsnt they've ever had. but last night she was below par, not surprising as she has been unwell and has a serious back injury. She was out of step with Artem a couple of times and looked a bit awkward in the lift. If anything she was over marked. IMO obviously.

If you want a loony conspiracy theory, try The Strictly forum on digital spy. They love it over there.

Um. fine Sieveoooplay. Thanks for your contribution. Maybe sometime you might care to explain to me why the sparky black kid who could dance got the same marks as a skirt swisher. But maybe, you wouldn't like the answer, if you were to examine it honestly.

So a two women get the same mark on a shit dance show and think racism?!

Alll righty then