This Strictly Come Dancing thing - are the judges a bit racist?

[Wuldric]

So for the first time in my life, I have been exposed to this Strictly stuff. Fairly predictably it was utter crap. Brucie almost remembered all of his lines, which was good.

Then I started looking at the scores.

You tell me why this performance - Susanna Reid & Kevin dance the Paso Doble to 'Los Toreadors' - - where the non-professional swished her skirts a few times

got the same marks as this performance.
Natalie Gumede & Artem dance the Charleston to 'Bang Bang'- Where the non-professional played a blinder. That girl could seriously but seriously dance.

And then tell me that racism isn't institutional.

OP, why are you ignoring the facts? In this series, all six of the people who have been voted out are white whilst the two black contestants are still in. Both of them have consistently been marked higher than the vast majority of the other white contestants, with Natalie getting the highest or close to the highest marks every week and Patrick being regularly told by the judges that he is the best male dancer. On the only occasion a black person (Patrick) has been in the dance off, he was saved by the judges who said he shouldn't have been there.

And then there's the history of the competition: out of ten series, a black person has won it three times and been runners up four times.

You're assuming that the only reason that the dances were marked the same must be racism. Does it occur to you that just maybe the judges who were actually there saw more than you did, and they could have had other reasons? Not least that that Paso was actually more enjoyable to watch than the Charleston.

Dear god op what on earth are you on? Few too many sherries or summat?
The judges marking can be strange but racist WTAF?

I really hope op replies to nennypops post above.

If she still claims racism after reading that then there really is no hope. And it's actually pretty damaging to shout racism in situations like this. It dilutes the seriousness of genuine racism and fuels the PC gorn maaad brigade

I am actually hoping that Natalie gets voted out soon. Just because she's already a dancer and really IMHO shouldn't be in this competition. It's not a level playing field. And I say that as someone who greatly fancies admires Artem and his choreography .

I think this year it's going to be a very close-run thing because there are a lot of rapidly improving dancers. Natalie probably hasn't improved in the same way.....

Justrestingmyeyes yours is the most magnificent post.
I am a humble non dancer but frequent watcher and I think last night Susannah's dance was just pow, amazing, and actually moving.
Natalie's could have been technically better, who knows (not me) but it did not have the same wow factor and in my opinion she was just jolly lucky to get the same mark as Susannah.

Half the judges are foreign, most of the professional dancers are foreign, the contestants come from all parts of the UK, have various accents and skin colours, BUT because one contestant didn't get the score 1 viewer felt they should have the whole show if rife with racism.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Also Craig almost never marks above a 9 before the last couple of weeks because as he has said more than once, there is always room for improvement (DAHLING)

I think the marks were bizarre. I don't think Susannah derserved 10s. The face she was pullling was just so odd I was watching that more than her moves.
But I can't dance so how do I know if it is really good or bad.

what the hell are you on about the first time you watched really ? they got the same score the exact same the judge who didnt give a 10 hardly ever gives 10s , institutional rascism WHAT

Nothing to do with the blatant racism exhibited here though.

you are fucking bonkers you really are

I do know the difference between a Paso and a Charleston. The black kid could dance. The skirt-swirler couldn't. The fact that the two were marked the same is a complete travesty. You are telling me that this is not racism. If it's not racism, what is it?

and here we go again...

the black kid and skirt swisher jeez, she was dancing that is the moves to the dance , I dont even know what you are saying as i just said the judge who didnt give a 10 never gives 10s to anybody , actually natalie was over marked in my opinion.

are you pissed or summat?
"the black kid"
okaaay

So, Wuldric, rather than just repeating what you've said several time already, how about reading some of the responses on here, taking them in and responding to them? You ask "If it's not racism, what is it?" but that very question has been answered several times.

The fact is that both dancers got 10s from the same judges; those judges couldn't give more to Natalie even if they thought she deserved more. So how precisely were they being racist? And if you think the one remaining judge who gave 9s is racist, you are seriously deluded.

I'm a black kid myself :) And not pissed thank you. I simply note for the record that two performances received identical marks. One contestant could dance. The other couldn't. The purpose of this thread is to invite your explanations as to why/how this might happen.

ok not pissed just ignorant given all the reasoned arguments offered on this thread.

Sorry that I haven't RTFT but you also need to check your understanding of 'institutional racism', ie
www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/feb/24/lawrence.ukcrime7

Sorry, link:

www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/feb/24/lawrence.ukcrime7

But there have been lots of explanations as to why it happened. You just aren't reading them.

I do believe that my understanding of institutional racism is pretty good thank you. I would actually go so far as to suggest that my understanding of institutional racism is better than yours tbh.

I have had no reasoned arguments or rational explanations as to why the black kid was marked the same as the skirt-swisher. None. This post struck me as honest and trying to get to the heart of the problem:

Natalie Gumede can really properly dance because she has danced as part of becoming an actress, it's been widely reported, she is the best by far. However all the other contestants had little or no experience so they are marked on their own performance and how far they have come

Natalie Gumede is the best by far. By a million miles. So the judges are judging on progression from a given start-point? So why did that nice chef go out? I don't buy it. They come into the show equal. They compete equally. But then the best person doesn't get the best marks? Do me a favour.

She was top - she was joint top but she was still top.

However as you've managed to avoid ten years of 'Strictly' maybe you should just continue to avoid it.

Definitely agree with the suggestion to avoid the programme. Made my blood boil, as you can see.

Not one of you has actually explained how it is that the best dancer did not receive the best marks.

That's a pretty sad state of affairs tbh. Not good. Are you all so attuned to institutional racism that it just passes you by?

We'll Waldron, I think you might be on to something. I mean clearly the judges are showing favour to men from Grimsby. Poor Artem doesn't stand a chance. What are you on about you mad cow?

By constantly referring to Susannah Reid as 'the skirt swisher' is offensive. Why can't you use her actual name?

oh look its a goady fucker being a goady fucker now there's a surprise.....