This Strictly Come Dancing thing - are the judges a bit racist?

[Wuldric]

So for the first time in my life, I have been exposed to this Strictly stuff. Fairly predictably it was utter crap. Brucie almost remembered all of his lines, which was good.

Then I started looking at the scores.

You tell me why this performance - Susanna Reid & Kevin dance the Paso Doble to 'Los Toreadors' - - where the non-professional swished her skirts a few times

got the same marks as this performance.
Natalie Gumede & Artem dance the Charleston to 'Bang Bang'- Where the non-professional played a blinder. That girl could seriously but seriously dance.

And then tell me that racism isn't institutional.

Charming of you to put that out there Pan, but i have danced a few times, thank you very much.

Nothing to do with the blatant racism exhibited here though.

'there is no other explanation'

None you will ever be willing to listen to, anyway.

Racism is everywhere but you caught a snapshot of something and will countenance no other explanation than the one you want. It's not exactly a scientific approach is it?

I'll take it back in then.

I am a rational person thank you. I have to be. Part of the day job. So I note, in my rational way, that there is a kid who can dance. She really really can dance. I celebrate that fact. It is a joy. Then I note that she is tied with a skirt swisher who wouldn't realise a beat if it hit her over the head. So there is something very wrong. That is all I am saying.

When you talk about the non- professional dancer, Natalie, you are talking about the Natalie who trained as a professional dancer but had to give up at 19 because of an injury.

When you talk about the non-professional dancer, Suzanna, you are talking about a newsreader.

Natalie is the best because she has had years of dance training, she has not improved a great deal because she could already dance. Suzanna has come from being a non dancer to... Well...learning to dance. FWIW her Paso was brilliant tonight, certainly not perfect but so much more than skirt swishing. Natalie has previously danced better than she did tonight, her imperfect score is nothing to do with racism.

But even world championship choreography for paso doble has quite a high level of skirt swishing! It's part of the character of the dance.

It was much better though when there were only two dances performed per week, it made comparisons much easier.

So yes, if they'd both danced a paso, Natalie might have done much better than Susanna. As it was, Susanna did just as well at dancing a paso as Natalie did at dancing a Charleston.

So you've danced a few times.

Clearly you're interested in dance.

Strictly is up to, what, series 8?

And you've watched one episode?

Not that interested them.

Yyy I'd prefer to go back to just two dances per episode.

What I glean from that post, is that the person called 'Natalie is the best'. She actually is the best. There are no marks here for improving. That nice but overweight cook was improving . This Natalie person is simply the best. Deal with it without racism. Please.

I agree polka dots. It was so much better when they all did one of two dances. It was easy to compare.

Oh fhs.

Perhaps they just don't like her?

Different judges have different criteria.

You have yours.

Vote for her.

And why would they not just like her Polka? Might it be because she is not white? Just putting it out there ...

I regularly disagree with the judges' scores. I often wonder why my favourites go while other who bore me to tears remain. It has never occurred to me that it was an issue of race.
And so, the question needs to be asked - exactly who is bringing racism into this programme?

You can't have watched much of it. The nice but overweight cook was evicted last week.

Yes, you're putting it out there.

Did you even read my post where it says the Judges score one dance at a time, and when they give out a 10 to someone for example, can not see in the future to see whether someone better will come along, and therefore that there are no extra points to give them? This is why ALL THE TIME, the narky one on the end gives someone really good a 7, then has to give someone who is mediocre a 4 when he would've given them a 6 if they'd gone first. The ordering affects the points differences.

The view is different for the judges too, remember.

Plus they make mistakes sometimes.

Why not listen to the people who watch it week in, week out?

For all we know the producers might even tell them to ensure the same person isn't at the top of the leaderboard every week.

Perhaps they're not sure she should be in the competition at all, or haven't particularly liked Artem's music/choreography. Or maybe she pinched Darcey's water bottle backstage.

Or perhaps they do all like her, hence her getting one mark off a perfect score...

Ha ha ha
Have a prize op. Good effort and all that.

Trot on.

Haha

Op you are, for example, a twat

Wuldric

The judges are somewhat erratic in their marking particularly Len this year.
Craig is usually the most consistent but even he is susceptible to slip ups i.e. overmarking Ben.

Strictly this year has been overtly fattist and misandrist in terms of comments made to and about Mark by Bruce. Did not happen to Lisa or Vanessa.

It has also been overtly sexist bordering on harrassment not seen since the days of Arlene regarding Ben.

The only thing bordering on racism is the somewhat dubious compliments that Patrick gets about his natural rhythm, yes and white men can't jump.
Plus Patrick got to be a voodoo man like Facilier in princess and frog but at least did not have to have make up a la Kananga.

What would merit a more interesting discussion is why there have been few black contestants who are voted outright winners of reality shows in general. That said Colin Jackson was robbed due to Erin's puppetry bless her.

Incidentally in Dancing with the Stars both contestants tipped for the final Amber and Corbin are both black.
Plus Amber's Charleston was better than Natalie's (given that this was week 3 not 8) Natalie's legs were loose compared with Sophie's. Sophie was worth a ten in week two. Natalie has danced better than tonight as it happens. But I agree that Susanna was overmarked as was Abbey.
Abbey I think was being saved from the bottom two. Susanna they got excited about which left nowhere else to go once they got to Natalie as Craig won't give out tens willy nilly but will give out 8s for Ben's Bod

Anyhoo here you go...

Amber's charleston

Sophie's charleston Natalie's rumba

Natalie should win outright and should also fit the cross-demographic of couch potato women who watch Corrie and will bother to vote BUT
as it is about a Journey and she is a Ringer plus not flaunting her chest or kiddies on a regular basis she may be second or third place due to the Fickle rather than Racist nature of the great British public revering an Underdog until that underdog is successful then we knock them off their perch for getting too big for their boots.

I think they mark each of the dancers on the own merits and journey. Natalie is great and consistently but IMHO could have done more to get an elusive 10 from Craig. From Susannah's previous performances and scores she maybe deserved a 9 but by getting such great scores this week sets her up for much much more scrutiny next week.

I though personally Sophie was better than both but wasn't as good as she has been so understood why she got low scores.

I didn't see the racism but brucie telling mark he was fat was painful to watch and that was def out of order.

OP your way of saying "this Natalie person "
and "this skirt swisher" is very rude btw.