Educating Yorkshire C4 9pm

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Am looking forward to this, RL Waterloo Rd?

I agree that high achieving brught kids are just sort of left to it. Not because teachers want to leave them to it but because we are under an appalling amount of pressure to ensure the C's. this year I will be running an after school session 1-2 times a week, will be coming in during half-term and doing Saturday mock exams. All designed to ensure the C

The bright asian girl only achieved 8 A* to C grades .

That is appalling given her acadademic potential.

If she had been with similar academic pupils at a more appropriate
school i am sure she would have got all As and A* grades.

This has proved that Thornhill is incapable of educating very bright and
able pupils to their potential

Thornhill is a bog standard comprehensive school in a northen town
totally rubbish and only able to educate the mainstream 50%.

I didn't mean the low level chatting as much as the blatant bullying of a girl who was new to the school and a little different.

Ah ok catgirl

Yes that level of poor behaviour is unusual. I'm at an inner city London comp and we would never tolerate swearing in class or mobile phones. As soon as they're out they're confiscated. So it's not just a matter of this happens in state schools because it doesn't. It happens in badly managed schools

im sure 90% of the lessons are just boring, we only see the disruptive stuff as it makes good t.v.

Tonight's episode has really pissed me off; those girls were bullying the new girl and yet she was somehow blamed for it all, and accused of being 'oversensitive' and 'angry'.

Soul, she may have only been able to sit around 8 GCSEs if she moved schools part way though the course I imagine. For all we know the grades she got may all have been A/A*.

Behaviour like that (the mean girls thing) is par for the course. It's just teenage girls being teenage girls. They can be horrible to each other one minute and best mates the next. Hormones! I see it happen time and time again.

I'm not talking about real bullying but this sort of silly fallout

Hmmm. Reading that back It sounds like I'm minimising their behaviour. They were actually being horrible. The part where they all turned away whn she went upto them was bullying so I take back my sentence about it not being 'real' bullying. Apologies

That is a bit of a relief Jefferson

I can't imagine the challenge of dealing with some of the issues, but ones like mobile phones seem so simple - confiscate! Which clearly a well managed school does and Thornhill doesn't.

I went to a private school and then a state school. The expected standards of behaviour were not any different at either of them tbh and each had problem pupils, bright pupils and normal teenage episodes, but swearing, blatant rudeness to staff, bullying etc would never have been tolerated in either

It's good to know those things are not the norm

It looked pretty nasty to me, Jefferson. And like bullying. Ganging up on the new girl, ignoring her, accusing her of things that she hadn't done.

So how do you get comfortable with your own decisions for kids education - I was private 1996 12 a * followed by a levels and Oxford. I'd like to use state and support it but is this a true window to what it looks like? In which case it can only support the truly exceptional who rise above?

I teach in a comprehensive school in a Northern town, & we seem to do rather well with the most able.

I would unhesitatingly send my own (very bright) dcs here, were we not out of catchment & were it not for the 'your mum's Mrs Raven' factor.

Our local private school: no, not so much. Their results aren't nearly as good once you look at value added.

Although I do have ex-colleagues who work there & reckon it's a very pleasant place to work...

Not caught EY tonight; I'll look forward to enjoying it with my tutor group on 4OD.

Nubbin to be fair this is an entertainment show. They are not going to show an hour of kids learning and engaging in their lessons. No one wants to see that apparently. It's all about seeing the 'funny' gobby kids and fights in the corridors.

So no, this isn't what it's like

Disruptive behaviour? What the tipping over the table? That's the only thing I saw that could be distruptive and the teacher wasn't teaching at that point.

The other arguments were at lunchtime and nobody batted an eyelid.

It all looked normal secondary school stuff to me.

I actually just thought there was a girl called "Toshiba"

It was written on a laptop behind her...not, as I assumed for a minute, text showing her name

Really a girl so upset that she tips over a table is normal and no-one comforts her but rushes to the other group to see if there is a reason? I admit I have zero experience and trying to work out the schools near me but if I had come across not the behaviour but the attitude of the staff in what they deemed ok over the past few weeks in this program my answer would have been a point blank no to my daughter going there

I'm just starting Episode 3

I have an overwhelming desire to hug Robbie-Joe :(

I watched this for the first time today. Surprised by the 'Head' who just seems to want to be everybody's friend and down with the kids.

Funnily enough someone on the Harrow: a very British School thread was complaining that it was too dull as the kids and teachers were too nice!!!!
So maybe as Teenage tantrums says and nubbin, it is what the public wants to see. Bizarrely, I do want to see nice kids fully engaged with learning and nice teachers getting the opportunity to actually teach. Most of us parents don't get to see inside our kids classrooms, we don't know if this programme is representative of senior schools today or not, I suspect it falls somewhere between Harrow and educating Yorkshire or at least I hope it does.

See I have the horrible suspicion that if he is down with the kids he can bring up from a d or e do a c is he is there but if you are looking at akid who is going to bring in an a or b anyway he has zero interest except for when they impinge on the others

Horrific spelling sorry -autocorrect and d/e to a c as opposed to a clear a/b student

Disagree - tonight's episode showed him giving time and interest (and apparently not for the first time) to a bright student who was struggling socially. I loved how he sat her down, talked stuff through with her then gave her a book to read. "it's good that".

Honestly she wasn't struggling she was being bullied and as far as I can see the support was for others 'we trust you not to continue etc.' however going to give up - dd only 4 and we live in london but on this program's efforts school fees budget going to get a nudge.

Thankfully having watched both I think my son's school is actually nearer to Harrow than Thornhill.