Educating Yorkshire C4 9pm

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Am looking forward to this, RL Waterloo Rd?

I agree consistency is vital and also you know your pupils better than I do so know what will work and what wont. I do think it's a case of pick your battles though and if the pupil has the attitude you describe then telling them to knock is inviting an aggressive response. you could say it is sort of setting her up for a fail. whereas simply asking her to wait til you speak with her has a point. she has already disrupted the class- so whether she just waits, or waits and knocks you still have that same level of disruption but asking her to knock adds that swearing incident that you presumably have to bollock her for and record, increases tension and resentment between you both that could have been avoided.

And it's not that some of those teachers aren't lovely and doing their best, they clearly are.

I don't want to pick my battles. I want them to follow a simple rule. It's not a huge expectation. It's manners - if i go to another classroom i knock and wait. If i bend the rule for 1 entitled student then i have to bend it for everyone.

Just catching this on 47 Its heartbreaking.

" if i go to another classroom i knock and wait."

and if you forgot once, would you be happy for another teacher to tell you to go back outside and knock and wait for an answer? or would you be mortified, think it ridiculous and wonder why they couldn't have just said "could you wait outside please pears and i'll be out to talk with you in a minute"

not pears! paperclips. I don't know where pears came from

I wouldn't forget. I was trained whilst at school and college to knock and wait. I don't understand why you're making such a big deal out of it. It's a very easy rule. She didn't forget - she chose to ignore it.

Today i have battled to get a dyslexia assessment, reported a possible child protection case (and written the accompanying report), caught up with a social worker about one of our looked after children and rang 3 parents to discuss behaviour issues. I have also taught. I haven't got the time or the headspace to bicker with s student over a simple rule.

"I haven't got the time or the headspace to bicker with s student over a simple rule."

yet you chose to when you didn't have to.

We should agree to disagree You're. I have simple rules in my classroom. You negotiate rules in yours... different strokes etc...

Great thread until somebody starts playing 'i'm a better teacher.' Can we stick to discussing the programme. Yes I'm sure some of you are far too busy with more important issues than asking students to knock before entering. Well done. Now can we discuss the programme again.

the two boys this week clearly have additional needs
Hmmm but they could control it when they wanted to.You don't have a special need on a MOnday and Tuesday and then not on a Wednesday and Thursday and then back again on friday!!
Too many SN labels,rather than addressing bad parenting, unstable homelife and weak teachers.

Also I was appalled at the Tom story.Offering upth grief of a child for public entertainment.

I work in a PRU - those two boys would be eaten alive by my students.

The teachers try to be their best friends.It doesn't work

Also, I've had students in school after a death because they really have nowhere else to go - mum wouldn't have them at home. I've sat on the floor with students while they sobbed in my arms.

It's a really difficult situation because school isn't set up to deal with it and we're not all trained bereavement counsellors.

ImAToT, I work in a Primary Behaviour Unit and the sweet Y7 boy would be eaten alive by the Y5 and 6's They are NOT PRU material.

And I agree, ImATot, it seemed to me that the HT was trying his best to keep the older boy in school because he was worried that it would be worse for him at home.

"You don't have a special need on a MOnday and Tuesday and then not on a Wednesday and Thursday and then back again on friday!! "

Why not? People (including children) hold it together better on some days than others.

Absolutely agree with Lizzy

There are many factors (depending on how a child is affected and any co-morbid conditions) which can make it more difficult for a child to control their difficulties day to day.

Teachers who work in a PRU - what did you think about the Head threatening Tom with being sent to a PRU as a sanction?

Ds (13) watches this with me and makes surprisingly astute comments.

It's made him particularly appreciative of the environment at his own school and the efforts of his teachers. It's a school with a high proportion of FSMs and EAL covering a very wide demographic, yet doesn't seem to have the chaos seen at the EY school.

It's also helped him understand why there is a one way system in the corridors!

I agree measuring - he was a sweetie, def wouldn't label him sn... He just seemed to struggle with how to act really. I'd guess at older siblings who he's maybe copying? He was lovely with his friend on crutches and seemed to want to be 'good' but was also looking to brag a bit in the corridor when he'd been in trouble. He's just a bit lost - and still just baby in year 7, loads of time to turn it around hopefully :-)