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Homeland! It's almost time!

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Hassled · 29/07/2013 18:49

Well, when I say almost what I mean is the 29th September in the US, and I think we were a week behind last series so early October - roll on the Autumn.

. One of the comments says that at the end Brodie says in Arabic "I am a muslim lost in this world..help me come clean again".

I CANNOT wait. I've missed Carrie so much. And Saul. Anyone sad enough to join me in the anticipation?

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NewGirlInTown · 29/10/2013 08:47

Homeland has definitely jumped the shark.
Clare Danes is unbearable to watch and that Anne Hathaway parody is spot on!

GypsyFloss · 29/10/2013 19:40

Fiderer I have no real reason to suspect her but I do

Fiderer · 29/10/2013 21:06

I admit when Saul first picked her up from the airport in S1 I was confused about who she was, wouldn't have thought she was his wife.

When she came back as she knew what the bombing meant to him, I thought good-oh but the separate beds thing jars with returning to support him. She never said she wanted to leave him or didn't love him, just that she didn't want to come after the CIA in his priorities.

I don't think Homeland has jumped the shark. I think the intro before the reveal was too long and I'm sick of teenage antics. Even assuming they must have some bearing on what happens later with Dana & Brody, too much. Also too much manic Carrie.

But the story's getting better and the pacing was too.

yesbutnobut · 29/10/2013 21:37

I thought Sunday's episode was much better by the end but I'm trying to work out why she went back to the angry sex guy, other than for angry sex I suppose. Since by that point she'd got the intelligence from the lawyer (I think) I couldn't see any plot reason for that scene. And it beggars belief that he would just be there ready and waiting.

Definitely saw a funny look from Saul's wife when Carrie arrived at their place - think she's going to have a part to play.

GypsyFloss · 29/10/2013 21:51

I saw that look too, I also thought Saul didn't look that happy when he thought it was her coming out into the garden .

ihatethecold · 29/10/2013 22:20

I've just watched Sundays episode.
Don't like the Dana storyline. It's so dull.
I do need some questions answering now.
When did they decide to be in cohorts?
How did they know that her not taking her meds would work?
Who else was in on it?
When will saul's wife get a line to say?

GypsyFloss · 29/10/2013 22:29

Don't know when they decided their plan. before she stopped her meds? As she stopped them?

I guess they didn't know but hoped it would draw the Caracas gang in. Did the killing if one of the 6 men, the man from Caracas , speed up the baddies deciding to try to turn her?

I reckon only she and Saul knew about the plan.

Mrs Saul did speak in series one, to tell him she was going back to her home, to work in a foundation run by her family. He was heartbroken...hence all the Saul love. I have always wondered if she came back to keep an eye on him, now he is a big cheese at Langley.

Fiderer · 30/10/2013 05:19

There's an interview with one of the producers which covers the first 4 episodes where he says that Saul & Carrie planned it in the days after the bombing. He mentions the criticism about the Dana story but says it's important for what comes later. Still too much imo.

What I don't get is the Iran connection. Abu Nazir was in al-Qaeda, the drone strike which killed his son was in Iraq or Afghanistan. I thought (and wasn't it generally accepted?) that Abu Nazir let himself be killed. Using Brody's car for the CIA bombing and having al-Qaeda claim responsibility using his confession was also Nazir's revenge on Brody after he betrayed them about that camera team.

This series it seems to be accepted that Iran was behind the bombing. Maybe because it fits with some views in the US that Iran is now Big Baddy, although there seems little evidence to support an al-Qaeda/Iran relationship. Was the same last series with that meeting between Nazir & the Hezbollah leader in Beirut.

All Saul said about it, when he was showing Fara the charts, was that they had traced the money, not how they linked money transfers to Iran. Or did I miss that bit? Can't remember who the 6 were in the Tin Man episode.

Fiderer · 30/10/2013 05:22

Meant how they linked the money transfers to the bombing.

SmellyFartado · 30/10/2013 11:02

Oh, wasn't Sunday night excellent? I really enjoyed it despite being a dumbass and reading a spoiler link before it aired.

Can't remember if spoiler link was with the writer or producer (and am not looking for it as I'll probably only end up reading this week's episode) but he said that you then see the previous scenes in a completely different light - Carrie telling Saul 'fuck you' was at her frustration at being left in the pysch ward, Carrie crying at Saul being questioned on TV was the realisation of her situation/putting her job in jeopardy with Brody. T'was very good blog.

The casting of Dull Dana's boyf is excellent. He's so creepy and sinister looking yet the minute you think this, you feel guilty (or I did) until finding out he killed his own brother - WTF. Can't see yet how this has meaning in the context of the series but Dana is so fecking boring, I'm not as invested in her storyline.

Missed the football link as well so have no idea what that was about.

Dar Adal a bad un I reckon and Mrs Saul looks constantly shifty. Glad to have a week off from seeing Doctor Creepy - he has really freaked me out - great actor/casting. Nice to have Virgil Mike back but where was the lovely Quinn

diddl · 30/10/2013 13:32

"why she went back to the angry sex guy,"

Because she supposedly had nowhere else to go?

And no access to money?

It all had to be believable for the Iranians who were watching her?

yesbutnobut · 30/10/2013 14:14

Thanks didl, seems the reason Carrie went to the angry sex guy's house was to continue the fiction for the Iranians, who were waiting outside the next morning. We later saw that when she wanted to, Carrie managed to outwit the Iranians (took her 5 hours but she did it and ended up at Saul's decking).

fiderer you're so right about the Iranian link - it's as if the producers have decided 'new series, new baddy'.

So do we think Carrie/Saul have arranged for Brody to end up in Venezuala?

peking · 30/10/2013 14:40

I really want to know how she managed to escape the Iranians...5 hours she must have done a lot of backtracking.

cocoleBOO · 30/10/2013 18:00

I'm startinging to wonder if Brody is in on it too and thats why he's in Venezuela.

I think far too much about this bloody programme.

difficultpickle · 30/10/2013 19:16

That scenario would make me unfeasibly cross

yesbutnobut · 30/10/2013 20:05

bisjo I can't think how else he'd end up there especially as his captors are obviously keeping him alive. If it's the case it's all a set up it will really stretch credulity a bit far ...

comeonbishbosh · 30/10/2013 21:53

I think it took 5 hours to get to Saul because she had to outwit not just the Iranians but also the CIA who have been trying to track her down.

Mrs Saul is suspicious cos what's the reason for the writers to bring her back?

SinisterSal · 30/10/2013 21:54

Mrs Saul does a great shifty face, peeping round doors and so on

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Hassled · 30/10/2013 22:12

I've finally been able to watch it - yay! Never again do I do anything as stupid as leaving home during Homeland season.

I don't know whether I should be dwelling on Mike's parting/quiff combo or the fact the baddies are now (have always been?) Iranian. Except - the 12/12 bombing was a whole new thing, wasn't it? Not referred to by Abu Nazir, not known about by Brodie - and do we actually know that using Brodie's car was some sort of revenge, or is that conjecture? I suppose we can see the bombing in isolation from previous shenanigans, if we squint a little and tilt our heads.

I sort of agree about the Dana/Leo thing being all too much, but then again that scene at the wire fence of the air field was very moving. I still think she's a fantastic actress, and that's always good to watch.

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ButThereAgain · 31/10/2013 09:09

I enjoy Dana a lot. I think the new plot development about her boyfriend being a possible murderer is daft and unnecessary when there is so much drama going on already. But I loved her in the first episode -- her calm insistence that she had the right ideas about life and could judge things for herself despite having made a suicide attempt was a really good complement to Carrie's apparent problem of being disregarded and denied autonomy on the strength of a diagnosis that was held to be incompatible with her possession of insight into disguised truths. I had visions of the whole series being about Dana and Carrie coming together.

Dana is a terrific actor with huge presence, and as the mother of a teenager just off to university I really felt judged and found wanting by the first episode: I saw a young person screwed up by the adults around her and far more capable of engineering her own healing, and seeing the world aright, than those adults were capable of guiding her.

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Hassled · 31/10/2013 09:44

ButThereAgain - I hadn't seen those parallels - thank you. Dana is such an interesting character.

One thing that's bothering me - am I right in thinking Saul told Salieri to "get her (Carrie) off the streets" after Carrie had got out of hospital but before Carrie had got to Saul's? If Salieri had been successful, Carrie wouldn't be able to have her one-to-one with Big Cheese Iranian, which is what Saul apparently wanted. So - plot hole, or Saul doesn't trust Salieri and is saying the right things in the certainty that Carrie would manage to evade him and meet Big Cheese anyway?

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difficultpickle · 31/10/2013 10:00

I think Salieri is a baddie.

ButThereAgain · 31/10/2013 10:23

Salieri definitely a baddie, I think. I think Saul just knows what he did to Mozart and reckons that he has to play along with him and just hope that Carrie manages to evade him. I suppose that isn't much more unreasonable than letting her get locked up and forcibly injected. Come to think of it, it is less unreasonable.

Perhaps Salieri is the Iranian mole anyway.

The thing that is still baffling me is Saul's outburst against that woman for wearing a headscarf. I can't think we are meant to forgive him for that. Perhaps it was just thrown in to help us see Saul as the bad guy while we were meant to believe he was throwing Carrie out to the lions. But unless he is actually a bad guy in deeper cover than Carrie's hospital cover it just doesn't ring true at all, even when he is under pressure.

ButThereAgain · 31/10/2013 10:27

Though the plot is so twisty that Salieri could be a good guy after all.

Blu · 31/10/2013 10:30

So, when Carrie was on the phone to Virgil, asking to use his van, nad Virgil tipped her off that they were being listened to (by asking after her Mum), was V concerned about being listened to by Salieri, or Saul's team? Carrie would have known they were being listened to, anyway.

So Saul has 2 operations on the go - the above nboard one, run by the hijabi woman, and the covert one run by him and Carrrie? He doesn't trust Salieri or the hijabi woman....

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