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Am SO annoyed with Game Of Thrones!

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motherofvikings · 04/06/2013 20:43

I watched the most recent episode last night so if you haven't then THERE WILL BE SPOILERS!!!

The ending pissed me off no end! I started with OMG, then when to WTF and ended up with "fuckin hell" on repeat! Hmm Angry

I now have no real idea what is going on, who I'm meant to invest in or generally where it is going now. I get SO fed up of getting attached to characters in it and thn they suddenly get hacked to bits!

I'm not really sure I want to bother watching it any more - it seems to flit from one thing to another - dyre wolves, dragons, spirit walking in animals, blah blah blah. I will be mega pissed off if I watch all the series and in the end everybody dies!

Am I alone in being pissed off? Confused

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RussiansOnTheSpree · 05/06/2013 17:48

Queen - it's a possibility. Viserys is certainly the only one of those 3 who actually has the incest driven bonkersness. Like Joffrey. Think of what Selmy said about who loved who back in the day........neither Aerys nor Rhaella wanted that marriage. Paternity has always been a Thing in these books. It's not just restricted to the question of Joff, Tommen and Myrcella. Or to Jon. Kings blood. It's a Thing. Dany, Rhaegar and Viserys all have the visual traits for sure, but they would, wouldn't they (or at least, it's understandable no matter who was their father) since Rhaella was their mother. A is supposed to have the traits too and Elia wasn't a Targ. And actually - shitloads of people have those traits. Most Lyseni. Auriel Waters. Etc.

PollyPlummer · 05/06/2013 18:19

I loved the video of peoples reactions Grin

Russians do you think Viserys was not a proper targ because he burnt ? Have there been other hints or is it just a gut feeling.

I would love it if Dany did have a secret sibling, someone up thread mentioned Selmy talking about the old days I think that is what they meant.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 05/06/2013 21:45

It was me that mentioned Selmy. I think the paternity of rather more people than the obviously labelled bastards is in question. But clearly busters is at least half Targ since his mother was Rhaella. I think being dunked in molten go,d will kill you because of suffocation, so the burning thing might not count.

I do not see the point of GRRM making Selmy tell us that Aerys and Rhaella were both in love with other people unless it's, you know, A Thing. Ad paternity is such an issue there (not just in westeros either)

PollyPlummer · 05/06/2013 22:05

Will definitely have re read as I missed that.

I sm not too sure if the joanna and arys hint was a red herring. I would love it if it wasn't.
I think GRRM hss said that what Dany - walking in to the fire and surving was very unique. Not all Targs cout do it.

Jon burnt his hand when he killed the Wight in got. Not that we know for sure he is one.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 05/06/2013 22:07

Danny's hands were burned after the incident in Mereen. Hands can get burned. The thing is, not dying.

Trills · 06/06/2013 11:57

I think Dany is going a bit OTT with the "fire cannot hurt a dragon" thing.

She experienced one incident of not--burning, which was significant in many ways (killing Mirri Maz Duur, hatching dragon eggs, burning Drogo's body) - that might just have been an especially magic fire.

lissieloo · 06/06/2013 12:40

I agree, trills. Everything came together for her to hatch the dragons. The death of a witch, the death of her love, the death of her son. It was blood magic.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 06/06/2013 12:53

Trills - well, she doesn't burn to death after the Mereen incident. But her hands are burnt so it's not like the flames do not touch her at all. Targs are clearly quite impervious to lots of stuff, though. Maybe she would have been impervious to poison too.

QueenofDreams · 06/06/2013 20:11

I don't know about being impervious to poison. Recall the Targ who thought that drinking wildfire would turn him into a dragon?
I think she's not based on the way it's written when the other guy gets poisoned, and she didn't eat the food in question. It implies that her getting killed by poison is possible. Although honestly I wouldn't lay my money on anything in this series Grin

Trills · 06/06/2013 20:21

Are they impervious to stuff? I haven't noticed any definite incidents.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 06/06/2013 20:43

Trills - they are supposed to be impervious to sickness. Supposed. No proof.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 06/06/2013 20:46

Queen - I don't think it's implied it's possible, I think it's implied the poisoner thought it was possible. Not necessarily the same thing. Lets face it the poisoner didn't even finish off belwas..... :)

Mind you she gets sick in the dothraki sea after she eats the berries. But she doesn't die. Jury's out I'd say. Viserys told her they were impervious but what did he know, really?

antlerqueen · 07/06/2013 02:46

re: a Targaryen with two siblings, if we're going down the route of secret Targaryens popping up, anyone think maybe the Lannisters? Granted, they have golden hair instead of silver, but it would fit in the ways that:

  1. Targaryens had no problems with incest, therefore the whole Jaime/Cersei relationship would be natural to them.

  2. the Targaryen incest/ inbreeding caused birth defects. Tyrion is a dwarf. There's a popular theory that he is a secret Targaryen.

  3. Besides birth defects there is the madness. Could Joffrey be considered mad? He and Viserys are quite similar/ cruel in a way.

Obviously their mother was married to Tywin, but they did hang out with the Targaryen family.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 07/06/2013 08:05

antier that's what I meant. We know that Tyrion dreams of dragons (so might even be a skin changer - which might actually be how the Targs of old rode their dragons. Dany isn't one and she finds it difficult) and is impervious at the least to stone -zombie-disease. So he might be the last man standing if he ever gets back to Westeros anyway. We know that Aerys 'took liberties' (many people think this means possible raped - the droit de seigneur issue which had already been flagged in the same book by Roose) Joanna at her bedding. We know that Tywin calls Tyrion a bastard. We know that Jaime and Cersei have at least one Targ trait (incest) and we know that Jaime didn't die of gangrene when his hand went although that may genuinely have been down to Qyburn. He is a baddie but he clearly has mad skills.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 07/06/2013 08:08

Sorry, yes, Joff being mad as Shtako is a hint too.

Rhaegar was never mad though, was he. Nor Dany.

We keep getting signals that paternity is a real THING but most people assume all the paternities except perhaps Jon and Tyrion are known and settled. I'm really not so sure. The more we get drip fed stuff about who really liked who in the past, the more I wonder.

lissieloo · 07/06/2013 09:51

I always assumed that Tyrion would ride the dragon based on the saddle he gives Bran, he fashioned one himself, iirc there is a reference in there.

Thurlow · 07/06/2013 09:52

I'm certain Tyrion is Tywin's son - yes, he has dragon dreams etc but he is so, so much Tywin's son in his politics and intelligence. I'm also sure that Jaime and Cersei aren't Targaryans, Joffrey's madness to me is a sign of incest.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 07/06/2013 10:05

Thurlow I think the thing will be, Tyrion isn't the patricide, Jaime is.

Tywin wasn't bright at all. He was ruthless But ultimately his power stems from his riches. If you look at his decision making it was mainly off. He won by being rich. Tyrion is a completely different kettle of fish. Completely different. Clever, and rather nicer than practically anyone else we have met in Westeros or Essos or anywhere else in that world (still very flawed though. But, in comparison to practically everyone else except....Jon Snow and maybe Dany......a saint).

Of course, mad Aerys was MAD so that doesn't particularly help.

Trills · 07/06/2013 10:08

I disagree. Tywin is clever.

Trills · 07/06/2013 10:08

When Aunt Joanna says that Tyrion is the child who is most like Tywin she means because they are both clever, whereas Jaime always relied being strong and athletic and pretty to get by and never had to use his brains much.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 07/06/2013 10:10

It's aunt Genna. Joanna was Tyrion and Jaime's mother. Genna thinks Tywin is clever. There isn't much evidence in the books though.

lissieloo · 07/06/2013 10:15

I agree with trills, Tywin is very clever.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 07/06/2013 10:17

Trills, Tywin made mistake after mistake. He backed the wrong horse in Robert's rebellion till the very end, thus he didn't get back the role of hand, which he had been trying to get back for years after falling out with Aerys. He let Aerys steal his older 'son' for the kingsguard - fell into that trap like a sucker. He didn't keep track of the crown's debts after becoming hand again (to be fair, neither did Tyrion much). He was played by both Varys and Littlefinger. He didn't win a single battle against Rob, he beat Rob, yes, but through the power of money and bribing - and as Roose says, it was Theon who really beat Rob. He didn't recognise Tyrion for what he really was - his best possible asset in ruling Kings Landing.

So, all in all, not very impressive really.

RussiansOnTheSpree · 07/06/2013 10:18

Sorry, you're both wrong, Tywin wasn't clever, that;s why he is dead.

lissieloo · 07/06/2013 10:33

or maybe we both just disagree with you Hmm

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