Downton Abbey part 4 we want to know more

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I still need to talk about it.

So sad that Downright Shabby has finished. Nothing to threaten DD with now.
Has been very useful in getting chores done. Just the threat of being made to watch this awful piece of forelock tugging everyone knows their place drivel got all my dishes washed, and dried.
Garrows Law just hasn't got the fear factor.

Why would he kill Vera? To stop her blabbing Mary's secret to anyone else. I am also surprised that a newspaper baron had not heard this near decades old rumour about an Earl's daughter, everyone else in London had. Apart from Lord fatty bum bum who doesn't seem to have a clue what goes on outside his own dressing up box.

But it just didn´t make sense-I thought he had made it so that she couldn´t sell her story.

So all she could do was "blab"-so what?

I think that´s what is so laughable about the storyline-all the servants know, Mary´s peers know.

Didn´t Sir R find it the tiniest bit odd that she had no suitors from her own class?

I quite missed it last night. I had been very frustrated with how poor the writing was this season, but it seemed a bit better in the final episode. If it wasn't for the timing - Sunday night by which time I'm not doing much - I think I'd have given up watching, but he last in the series was OK.

If Bates is found guilty will he be hung? (I'm a very poor historian)

"it was getting weaker and weaker, each week."

Sir Richard
I suppose I think he's aggressive enough to be very very hostile when pushed hard by someone like Vera. Disproportionate in his response ifswim.

Also, I think it was on the previous thread we agreed she may have been blackmailing more than Sir R/Bates etc which I think it still possible (and would give JF the opportunity to introduce another totally random character/storyline.)

Yes, losing his temper & it being an accident I could see.

I still think she did it herself-accidentally-but to implicate Bates in poisoning her.

It´s bates she had a grudge against, wasn´t it-it was only "good luck" that Anna was involved in the Pamuk thing.

oh but you just know that Bates is going to hang for murder then it transpires that Sir Richard did it.

Perhaps Sir R will hang for murder-& it will transpire that Bates did it

Either she did it herself or Sir Richard did it...or maybe whoever she was shagging behind Bates' back. Bates won't hang for it either way.

She said she would finish Sir R, etc, lots of ranting and raving, maybe he thought it'd be best to shut her up permanently.

Those outtakes made it make so much more sense!

Last hanging was in the 50s or 60s Kez, so plenty of time left for somebody to be hanged...in JF time, Bates will be about 70 before it happens though!

Something has to happen in the Christmas special. I don't think even JF can drag out Matthew and Mary for another ten years!

diddl

maybe vera was shagginng sir r and he accidentally killed here in a sex game

not too sure if many sex games involve poison which may put a slight flaw to my theory

Wouldn't you take poison yourself if you had to have sex with Sir Rotter, though?

Ewwwwwww, true story puzzles !

Someone start a countdown to the Christmas special!

Bates cannot hang because he and Anna have to live happily ever after.
So, the villain must be found and that must be Sir Rotter. Mary figures it out and blackmails him. He fixes it that Bates is freed and flees to Australia.

Mary no longer has to marry Sir Rotter because she now has a hold over him (deuce in the scandal stakes) and can marry a man worthy of her and lhea (live happ...)

Yup, that's pretty much the size of it Fids . :) My money's on that scenario too.

I hope none of JF's spies are lurking and tell him and so he has a desperately unhappy ending just to prove us wrong.

As an aside, do we know or just guess, has the current Mrs Bates told Mr Bates the whole story of Pamuk & Mary or does he just know there is A Scandal that needs covering up? Mrs B1 did a good job of dropping hints but do we presume MrsB2 filled in the gaps?

I think JF should get us to write the Christmas Special.
Must say I liked Cora less and less as the Series went on. How could she let her daughter marry Rotter? Does Violet know about Pamuk (must buy Series 1)?

I'd love her to have Sir Rotter thrown out of the house as Carson looks on haughtily. Violet lifts her chin and tells Sir R that the aristocracy has survived a thousand years without his sort and shall survive, indeed thrive for another thousand.

fids yep Violet knows about Pamuk, decided to keep it under the Royal hat 'for the best'. One of her gossipy London friends wrote to her to tell her all about it.

Which begs the question how the hell does Lord 6 STILL not know about it??

"How could she let her daughter marry Rotter?"

Because no one else will!

(Apart from Matthew who doesn´t know about Pamuk)

also a bit wobbly is bitchy OBrien knows the whole story? but hasnt told Thomas, her only control is not wanting to hurt Cora

anyhoo - Dave mentioned a lot of Downton in his Lord Mayor Speech, didn't he!

regards Vera's death..

surely Sir R has a black-hearted rogue as a go-to for bumping off squealing grasses?

think it will look v bad for Bates, then at the 11th hour Anna will find some evidence, or Anna will be forced to break her vow of silence and tell police about Pamuk which gives Mary/ sir R/ Cora and Lord Fatty all motive to killl the horrid old bat...

maybe Cora arranged it to protect Mary's rep...

Watching the outtake clips
I think Mr Burns is Real, I always thought he was. He will swing in and have his vengeance on that thoughtless uncaring family... a la Phantom of the Opera...

What was so bad about the Pamuk incident. He died of natural causes - must have had a heart complaint or something. It wasn't Mary's fault - what's so shameful?