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Downton Abbey part 4 we want to know more

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ThePsychicSatsuma · 07/11/2011 21:50

I still need to talk about it.

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diddl · 09/01/2012 15:57

I think that Edith & Lavinia are/were the prettiest.

FrankH · 09/01/2012 17:52

LadyHarriet

Thanks for your various suggestions for changing my MN name. "Ghost of Pamuk" and "Lord Fatty Bum Bum" appeal the most, or perhaps "regretfullynotDanStevens", but as I post in other threads, where these names wouldn't be appropriate, I've reluctantly decided to keep my MN name as it is.

Beauty is of course in the eye of the beholder, and in my eyes Michelle/Mary is the real stunner on DA. However I'm aware that many (most?) on this forum think Sybil is the prettiest of the three sisters. So she may well be, in a "conventional" sort of way. I actually found her slightly annoying.

Both Michelle/Mary and Laura/Edith have more characterful faces. If Michelle really looks rather "masculine", so be it - it proves that even masculine looking women can be beautiful.

Lavipoo is if anything even prettier than Sybil, so I can understand your DH's preference. But again it's a conventional sort of prettiness, suited to the rather uninteresting character.

Turning to the males, did anyone see Brendan Coyle (Bates) on "Saturday Kitchen"? I find Bates appearance in DA rather creepy, but on SK Brendan looked quite attractive - as a heterosexual male I'm not that qualified to comment!

FrankH · 09/01/2012 18:23

The Patrick heir-or-imposter theme still intrigues me.

If it is just left as it is, it seems to me to be an example of poor writing and/or editing - a subject which was just introduced to take up some time, and wasted it.

However it might be a real sleeper, with many possibilities for development.

Fiderer - a good spot on what the heir/imposter said, and what it might mean.

But I wonder - is this sort of subtlety typical of Julian Fellowes? From DA it seems to me that he is a good writer, but not a particularly subtle one.

Even if he is - the immediate theme isn't whether or not Patrick really is the heir, it's whether he can persuade the relevant authorities that he is. And in that case, would any of the DA family remember how he describes Edith at first - especially as they wouldn't have had reason to take particular notice of him, before his claim of being the heir. And even if someone did report this - would a court have to believe that, in the absence of a recording?

While most of the family didn't believe Patrick to be genuine, Edith seems to have believed that he was, and perhaps Lord G wasn't entirely sure that he wasn't.

The lack of a final resolution of the theme allows rich possibilities of development if JF and/or the DA producers want to go further with it.

NanBullen · 09/01/2012 18:27

didn't lord g say he'd get his lawyers to look at something to do with Patrick the heir/imposter? and he'd make his decision when his lawyers got back to him? Confused not sure what they were looking at?

I may have just made that up though..... Hmm

ZZZenAgain · 09/01/2012 20:47

reckon it was Sir R who arranged for Mrs Bates to be silenced so she couldn't come out with her story and damage his wife's reputation. That is only going to happen when it suits him

LadyHarrietDeSpook · 09/01/2012 21:53

Michelle Dockery is not masculine looking. Poor girl.

Anyway, Frank how come it took you so long to find us.

I think I'm being punished for the DA addiction. DH has, I suspect, crush on Zooey Dechanel and we are watching NEW GIRL. Fortunately, it is 24 minutes long. How many episodes will it be necessary to endure, does anyone know?!

FrankH · 09/01/2012 23:27

LadyHarriet, I don't think Michelle/Mary is masculine looking.

However, another poster described her as "very masculine". And I can see why many would regard Jessica/Sybil and Zoe/Lav as more conventionally "feminine" than Michelle/Mary. IMO, that makes them rather too "obvious" in appearance.

I had known about MN for some time, but didn't take any notice - being a man - until the valuable part MN played in the hacking scandal. I visited the site and this forum and was captivated, as it's so more civilised than the sorts of forums I have been used to.

Regarding the heir/imposter theme I have been obsessing about - unfortunately the very weak* Nigel Havers theme in the Christmas special shows that DA is quite capable of wasting time on inconsequential matters. I hope the Patrick heir/imposter theme doesn't prove likewise.

*Not saying NH is a weak actor - but the whole theme was IMO a time-waster.

ZZZenAgain · 10/01/2012 10:09

I agree the whole burnt face with Canadian accent thing was peculiar. He was there, then he was not there and it was a damp squib. What was the actual point of it? Pity he didn't take O'Brian with him. Tbh I am sick to the teeth of that woman, can she never smile?

Does anyone know this because I could never figure it out: why is she so thick with Thomas, are they related or something?

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 10/01/2012 11:54

I think Thomas and O'brien are just cut from the same cloth. I wondered whether she fancied him but I think she probably knows he's gay as mrs Patmore does.

I just got into Downton this week. Gorged on it over the weekend then I was ill on Sunday night and couldn't sleep-had weird waking dreams about Downton plots all night! Slightly delirious but entertaining.

ScatterChasse · 10/01/2012 16:27

I think of the three Mary/Michelle is probably the one who looks most like Cora/Elizabeth, I could really believe they were mother and daughter in real life.

LadyHarrietDeSpook · 10/01/2012 16:31

I think they did really well finding a group of people who looked like so credible a family group.

The Isobel/Matthew thing is really believable, even more so that then Grantham Gels. IMO.

Clawdy · 10/01/2012 20:20

Saw Michelle Dockery as Ophelia last year in Sheffield and she looked fragile and beautiful.

ScatterChasse · 16/01/2012 21:11

I've just been watching back series 1. I'd completely forgotten how awful Edith was!

On the other hand, Cora was much more fun, constantly sniping with Violet. She wanted wringing out was a bit wet in the last series.

Animation · 17/01/2012 15:00

"She wanted wringing out was a bit wet in the last series."

Seem to think Cora had this line a lot - "Yes, I agree."

Animation · 17/01/2012 15:02

Well done to Downton for GOLDEN GLOBE AWARD!!

Thanks
ScatterChasse · 17/01/2012 16:17

Oh, Congratulation to them all Thanks

Yep, it made me remember why I liked her!

I really would like to meet Cora's mother in the next series, since Cora's response to her thinking of coming over was "Oh God".

LadyHarrietDeSpook · 30/01/2012 22:29

blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/01/downton-abbey-shirley-maclaine-cast-as-lady-coras-mother.html

Lady Cora's mum is coming!!!

I must deserve a leetle bit of credit for predicting something right for once!!!

Quenelle · 31/01/2012 10:38

I am so excited about Shirley Maclaine appearing in Downton Abbey. She's my alltime favourite actress of all time. After Maggie Smith.

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