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283 replies

Emmanana · 28/03/2011 21:00

Who's watching???

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ShowOfHands · 28/03/2011 22:00

'as kind to them as it has been to me'. She is happy.

BellaMagnificat · 28/03/2011 22:01

I'd like her ot adopt me. Or be my special auntie.

I'm 44 and 8 months.

CisforCookie · 28/03/2011 22:01

Ok last pushy reminder, I promise!

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Shallishanti · 28/03/2011 22:01

no, I think she said ...'kind to them, as it has to me'....how do we know she had no one at home?

Emmanana · 28/03/2011 22:02

I wonder how many god children she has. I'd ask her to be GM.... What a great role model for kids.

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heather1980 · 28/03/2011 22:02

she was on the christmas special and said that she had never married or had kids of her own.

ShowOfHands · 28/03/2011 22:02

darlene, how do you define necessity though?

I'd absolutely hate to think that anybody thought my cs was unnecessary. It was the worse day of my life. I often wonder if people assume that lots of CSs were not needed at all and might they think that of me.

What do you think is an unnecessary cs? One done with what indications?

Albrecht · 28/03/2011 22:03

You think she's lying about having no-one at home?

Liv77 · 28/03/2011 22:03

I've read the OBEM book and i'm pretty sure that midwife does have children, there are 2 of them in the book so I could be getting confused but I thought it said they both had families. Perhaps she is widowed and the children have all left home. I'll have to hunt out the book and see.

BellaMagnificat · 28/03/2011 22:04

She said she had no-one waiting at home for her so she was happy to stay, if necessary. She knew that colleagues would do the same for her, and she hoped that of all the lives she ahd helped bring in to the world, life was as kind to them as it had been to her.

BellaMagnificat · 28/03/2011 22:04

That's right Heather, she did.

Shallishanti · 28/03/2011 22:05

no!!! I didn't disbelieve her!!! just didn't hear her say there was no one at home

Albrecht · 28/03/2011 22:08

We'll let you off then.

VivaLeBeaver · 28/03/2011 22:10

She didn't have a section just for decels, the baseline rate looked tachycardic and the variability didn't look great on the trace. Its not true that an emergency section is always a crash section - depending on the trace you could say we need to get baby out in 30 mins or even in the next hour.

Theatre may well not have been ready which could be why they didn't go straight away. Or the anaethetist could have been halfway through an epidural in another room.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 28/03/2011 22:13

I missed the last bit, was Gino ok?

VivaLeBeaver · 28/03/2011 22:16

Gino was fine, went home at a week old.

darleneconnor · 28/03/2011 22:24

showofhands- not wanting to get too personal with this but the WHO says that 1 in 3 of all c-sections in the UK are unnecessary.

Unfortunately there are 1000's of women, who through no fault of there own, are lead to beleive that they had 'necessary' c-sections but in fact that necessity was a matter of opinion of the individual OB, not fact.

We live in a litigious world and OBs have responded by prioritising not leaving themselves open to being sued over what is in the best interest of babies and mothers.

FourFortyFour · 28/03/2011 22:29

Without a section my son would have died.

VivaLeBeaver · 28/03/2011 22:29

But the majority of those 1 in 3 unnecessary sections are the elective sections. The maternal requests, the previous section reason, etc (the reasons that many people on MN are posting that they should have the right to insist on).

ShowOfHands · 28/03/2011 22:37

I'm genuinely interested. Where do the WHO get their figures from though? How do they decide necessity? What info do they have access to? And why shouldn't it be a matter of opinion of the OB? Is the WHO only talking about women who didn't want a CS and were told they MUST because that's different entirely to the spectrum of situations that actually come up.

Take a woman who is down as having a cs for failure to progress in the second stage and has a cs. Now is that 'necessary' for the purpose of WHO stats. Maybe forceps or ventouse would work in that scenario but maybe the woman refused consent for those (I know plenty of people who have NO TO FORCEPS/VENTOUSE, PROCEED STRAIGHT TO CS' on their birth plans should that situation come up). Perhaps the OB knew the mother, perhaps it was a vbac and s/he knew the additional risks of scar rupture with a prolonged 2nd stage, could see the mother's state of mind, had access to the whole picture of an obstetric history, the events of the day, the mother's wishes etc. I think a lot of CSs could be construed as not imperative but 'necessary' is a judgement call.

DD was in deep transverse arrest. She was unbirthable as they could not rotate her or move her with a ventouse. We'd both be dead without medical intervention. But how much do the WHO know about dd's birth? Because another woman with a baby in DTA might have had a successful rotation. I'm struggling to get a handle on how a cs is deemed 'unnecessary'. My notes say 'reason for cs: DTA'. Another woman's might say 'reason for ventouse: DTA'. Does the possibility for one invalidate need for the other? No, it doesn't. But for statistical collection, how do they measure this?

ShowOfHands · 28/03/2011 22:39

Aah so if I have an elcs next time because I'm absolutely crippled with ptsd and don't want to have a breakdown I'll be down as an 'unnecessary cs'. Because my reason for elcs will say 'previous cs' and no more?

VivaLeBeaver · 28/03/2011 22:44

Exactly Show of Hands.

And be glad you don't live in Derby where the choice for LSCSs has been dictated to the consultants by the PCT. Or this was the case 6 months ago anyway. They have told the Drs they will only pay for the LSCS under certain circumstances and given the consultants a list. Previous section is not on the list. Though maybe mental distress or similar is (don't know), but if it is I suppose that can be used as a get out clause. Grin

And you're right WHO wouldn't know enough about each emergency LSCS to be able to say whether they're necessary or not.

How far on was Sarah in labour when they made the decsiion to lscs as I missed that bit?

ShowOfHands · 28/03/2011 22:50

I don't know. I missed it too, didn't even know she was in labour.

I have an excellent potential consultant. He offers his time to help people with birth trauma (how I met him) and helped me get past dd's birth as I had a panic attack in the middle of a family planning clinic and was referred to him (wasn't pregnant). He wrote the loveliest, long, kind letter saying if that I was ever to consider a 2nd he would personally deliver it and if I wanted an elcs, the decision was as good as made and he would sign it off without a moment's hesitation. Thank God for him tbh because necessity isn't as simple as a list of rules.

ShowOfHands · 28/03/2011 22:52

I was born in Derby City Hospital btw(General now iirc) Grin.

Sounds like a terrible way to run things.

VivaLeBeaver · 28/03/2011 22:53

They've run out of money. Accountants run the NHS don't ya know.