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The Incident Room (aka The Killing - Thread 2)

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atswimtwolengths · 13/03/2011 16:27

Bring your notebooks, your whiteboards, your clipboards, your pens, your tape measures and your waterways maps to solve the problem of what happened to Nanna Birk Larsen.

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Blackduck · 20/03/2011 14:00

I think she got dropped at flat and Leon said he wouldn't wait and either told her to call Vagn, or she thought of Vagn because her parents were away and she thought he'd help her. He went to the flat and basically lost it when he realised what she was going to do....

teej · 20/03/2011 14:02

who offered theis and pernille the use of the cottage that weekend? seems odd they just happened to be out of the way the weekend nanna was making a run for it with amir?

Fivecentsplease · 20/03/2011 14:03

Anyone else have a bout of the cringes when Morten was grooming the front of Troels suit.....Made me think he would do anything for Troels - even maybe dispose of a body and think up a suicide story?

teej · 20/03/2011 14:05

five but vagn seems to have a lot of different stories for why he didn't work that weekend:
1.vagn cancelled as the hydraulic lift was broken

the client just cancelled
vagn cancelled as the client wanted it off the books

bettys · 20/03/2011 14:05

Someone must have got into Meyer's hospital room to finish him off because he could identify the killer. He should have been dead were it not for hi cigarette lighter o the killer had to go back and finish it off again.

Leon, Holck & the civil servant all looked horrified as if they had been betrayed, so I think they are involved but not the main baddy.

teej · 20/03/2011 14:06

five urgh it was even worse when he preened himself in the same mirror afterwards. i thought that was a very smug move - maybe because he has been feeding the tidbits about rie to the press? that would manoeuvre him back into pole position as troels' #1 advisor...

Blackduck · 20/03/2011 14:07

teej, no if you recall she said she was staying at a friend's all weekend - hence wouldn't have mattered if they were away or not...but would have suited Vagn if he was the killer...

teej · 20/03/2011 14:10

also re rie - she said she had a lot invested in troels' campaign which is why she would stick around - imho she wants power and influence for her or to ensure daddy still gets a look in.
have to say, though, when she turned on the charm to get troels back with the quick shag on the desk it was SOOOO calculated and obviously to distract him from the journo's queries!

Fivecentsplease · 20/03/2011 14:10

Someone definitely pulled Meyers plug.

teej Hmmm - If I was writing this I wouldn't put Vagn as the killer, as he's been too shifty too long, and I thought he gained pathos last night as fast as troels was shedding it! Don't they often show in this that there are many parts to the truth - eg Vagns mother may have drank herself to death, but may had ultimately died in childbirth - it looks like a lie, but that is how people remember things. All of Vagns reasons could be true.

teej · 20/03/2011 14:11

blackduck but she said she was staying at a friends to cover up for the fact she was running away with amir - so it would take them a while to miss her and come after her.
so do we assume it was just coincidence theis and pernille were away that weekend, then?

DarrellRivers · 20/03/2011 14:22

Theis is my prime suspect
Nanna is not his daughter

(but the field is fairly wide open at this point)

Blackduck · 20/03/2011 14:23

I think so - as I say I think its Vagn and he lost it when he realised she was running away - hence state of flat. Then having knocked her out ...well it all goes from there!
Re Meyer - wasn't anyone else shouting at the TV 'Well aren't you going to put a guard on his door, someone just pumped two bullets into him and he SAW them'. I think he was finished off (sob)

Fivecentsplease · 20/03/2011 14:34

blackduck yep we were shoulting that - but why would brix do that?

My money is on a city hall killer, at the mo!

Margles · 20/03/2011 14:47

It was useful, I think, for Theis and Pernille to be away when Nanna was planning to run off with Amir. It meant she knew that no-one would be around to miss her until the Monday. Of course, it also means that all the Birk Larsen staff knew that Theis and Pernille wouldn't be around either.

So that puts Vagn and Leon back in the frame. Vagn and Leon might have been involved in some crime together - stolen TVs, drugs so have both got something to hide.

The scriptwriter is apparently an Agatha Christie fan. Now in Agatha Christie stories it's often the Doctor who did it and Vagn is the son of two doctors and dropped out of medical school. It also seems odd that if he was clever enough to get into medical school that he would be happy to spend 20 years being a removal man. He's very dodgy.

Blackduck · 20/03/2011 14:55

Well yes, he'd certainly know about ether.....

I think Meyer was close when he siad you lug furniture around all day and he goes home to the wife and kids...

Fivecentsplease · 20/03/2011 14:55

Soren Sveistrup only wrote 10 of the episodes though - so Agatha might be another red herring! (first ten, I think)

Fivecentsplease · 20/03/2011 14:57

I think Nanna was just in the wrong place at the wrong time on the night - she strays like a victim waiting to happen into the hubris that is city hall and all its corruption, and the relationship with Holck is a catalyst to bring her into that circle.

teej · 20/03/2011 15:29

five i think if most of us were writing it we would make the killer someone mixed in with the political intrigue as it would be more dramatic in terms of our fascination with people in power etc.

but if this series is about betrayal and guilt, either real or perceived, then it is much more of an emotional kick that the killer is someone who lies near the bosom of the family. and in truth that is more realistic. after all, doesn't the data show that most women who meet a violent end do so at the hands of someone they know....

teej · 20/03/2011 15:32

i think the other thing is we look at vagn and see someone quite weedy. but you can't be that much of a weakling if you work in removals.

fwiw i think nanna was in the wrong place at the wrong time - because she should have had her passport with her and then she would never have had to go to the flat and all these deaths (barring mette) might have been avoided

teej · 20/03/2011 15:35

should have finished off that thought.... because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time she had to call upon the help of someone who was actually a danger to her, so she could try and get to where she needed to be. that's my current theory anyway

thebestofyou · 20/03/2011 15:55

Darrell interesting thought- so if Theis is not her father who is ? Have I imagined it that Hartman had an elder daughter ?
Eeek -what if Holck was her father-we see pictures of her hugging him etc

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atswimtwolengths · 20/03/2011 15:59

Yes, I agree with you, teej. I think she walked into that flat and saw something she shouldn't.

I think it's going to be Theis. Vagn has looked suspicious right from the start, from day 1. He looks like a creep and it's easy to imagine him perving about Nanna. It's no great surprise, then if he's found to be the guilty one.

Rie is playing a game with Troels. She is ambitious and is hanging around for the power. She was disappointed that Troels wasn't exactly under her thumb when he tried to kill himself (still not sure I believe that actually) - she'd thought she'd got him where she wanted him and was shocked she hadn't.

She wouldn't have just spent one night with that other guy - it would've been part of a longstanding deal.

Which party is her dad in? What position does he hold? I thought he was in the Mayor's party - is that right? Is he still active in politics?

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atswimtwolengths · 20/03/2011 16:02

Also if it's Theis...

The video card belonged to Theis, didn't it? I've always thought he lent it to someone - the only people I think he would lend it to outside of his immediate family are Charlotte and Vagn.

Charlotte hasn't been in for a number of episodes. If I'd written it and Charlotte was one of the guilty party, I would have had her in the background of more scenes. I still think there's more to her than we know.

I do think the video card is going to be part of the last episode. Just a throwaway comment, say from one of the children. Pernille knows it was found by Nanna's body - just imagine her face, her eyes, when she realises...

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teej · 20/03/2011 16:09

atswim that wasn't quite what i meant - what i meant was that she put herself in the wrong place at the wrong time (ie the flat to get her passport), so she had to get herself to the right place at the right time (ie the train station to get the train to the airport to meet amir). to right her wrong she called on someone's help - and that caused her death.

btw - theis was with pernille in the cottage so it couldn't have been him?

DarrellRivers · 20/03/2011 17:07

Depends on how closely they look into how the time was spent at the cottage.
I reckon Troels is Nanna's father

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