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The Incident Room (aka The Killing - Thread 2)

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atswimtwolengths · 13/03/2011 16:27

Bring your notebooks, your whiteboards, your clipboards, your pens, your tape measures and your waterways maps to solve the problem of what happened to Nanna Birk Larsen.

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aloiseb · 18/03/2011 19:54

Hmm, a ringtone.....but is it as subtle as going round Waitrose muttering "Troels!" ?

(no Norsemen to report in Portsmouth area, sadly...)

aloiseb · 18/03/2011 20:16

fivecents -

  1. Yes, I think Bremer was running Olav.

  2. I'm not sure that Amir said he and Nanna had been seen together on that night, did he? If not. they could have been spotted by a red-uniformed man at some point when they were meeting between summer and Halloween? who then drew his own conclusions?

Proles -thank you for the nice compliment Smile

Another point which has just struck me - why didn't Amir give Theis the camcorder recording before? Has he been living under a rock? or maybe I missed something?

Fivecentsplease · 18/03/2011 21:29

Hi alsoiseb ....I think Amir said on the bridge when Lund pressed him "did anyone see you leave?" - and he said "it was when I picked her up to take our luggage to central station, he was getting out of a car" then he says about the man having the red uniform of her fathers company.

Still can't place events in the right order!....That bit's near the end of episode 16

Here in the south west, sainsbury's had 1 Bremmer, 1 fat mortenn and a very old Lund. A new game to pass the time whilst filling the Troelly. Grin

aloiseb · 19/03/2011 07:09

I am about to go to Sansbury's...I will watch out for stray Danes - though I fear all you can usually see at this time in the morning is Lund's mum!

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atswimtwolengths · 19/03/2011 10:15

I can't wait for this tonight! I had to take a few days off this site as I was becoming overcome with it all, dreaming about it, obsessing etc. It wasn't good for me!

But now I've gone through and made notes from all your suggestions - hope to god they are all answered!

Does anyone have a link to The Times' article about the Biblical ending? Isn't it a subscription site now?

I think if it is a Biblical ending, it may well be 'the sins of the fathers.' There is definitely some link to Theis' past.

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MinnieBar · 19/03/2011 10:22

Hello hello all, we only caught up last night so I can finally post on here! I've been only reading up to the date of the episode I watched, and you go on a bit have lots of theories so it's been a lot to read!

I noticed the red motif throughout too!! Wink. I did wonder if every time we see red we're meant to think 'evil' but I think it's more of a running theme. Rie had a red scarf on too, hmmm...

Right, my observations:

Lund and Troels have become really similar in their single-minded obsessiveness as regards their personal 'crusades'. To the point where I think the 'winning' and being right in the face of others trying to prove them wrong/put them down is almost as important as the final goal (finding the killer/being mayor). They have both sacrificed personal relationships without seeming too bothered (Troels - you want dinner? Rie - no - Troels - ah well)(Lund - son, mother, lover). They are both resourceful, stubborn, determined... and the end justifies the means.

Can someone explain the Danish political system to me though please as my lack of understanding is getting in the way! How come Bremer is mayor but he is appointing people from other parties (Troels and previously Hoelck) to his cabinet? Do they have a coalition city council?

MinnieBar · 19/03/2011 10:23

Oh and another literature potential clue - when Charlotte took Nanna's books back to school (the Danes are very conscientious about their book borrowing aren't they?!) she left one in the footwell which Pernille picked up. It was Macbeth... not sure how that fits in, although Rie was v v Lady Macbeth in the early episodes.

MinnieBar · 19/03/2011 10:24

Oh and (you can tell I've been saving these up), not that it's really a spoiler, but if there's going to be another two series, then clearly Lund never makes it to Sweden. Although I don't think anyone is going to be surprised by that...

crunchbag · 19/03/2011 10:34

Re biblical ending, could it be a ending of biblical proportions?

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atswimtwolengths · 19/03/2011 11:05

I think that Troels, as a central character, is likely to be implicated. It would be really disappointing to find it was someone who we know nothing about or have hardly noticed.

If it is him, I think it'll come to light just as he's won the election. It'll cause maximum trouble, politically. Plus, it would be a fantastic scene, him raising his arm in victory, then seeing Lund approach him.

I still think of a look that Pernille and Troels exchanged, when she saw him in the police station. I keep wondering whether he knew her in a different way - maybe Pernille had joined that site and dated him? Oh I don't know!

I still think Charlotte's involved in some way, too. I can't believe that she'd see her niece talking to someone (in the white car) and not ask who he was. When she found Nanna in the hotel, why wouldn't she ask who it was that Nanna was seeing?

Why didn't the police find out who'd paid for the hotel?

Why has Bengt behaved in the way he did? Why did he visit the father of the kidnapped girl? Why did he not tell Lund about the necklace? Was that merely so that Lund would go back home with him? Surely if he told her, the case would be resolved quicker?

Bengt would be a good suspect in many ways. He's never there when Lund phones - why? He doesn't seem to have a great relationship with her son - has her son picked up on something odd about him (besides his hair?) He is right under Lund's nose and she hasn't suspected him. But then Bengt doesn't have any involvement in the political side, does he?

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teej · 19/03/2011 11:26

hello everyone
welcome minnie
really looking forward to tonight!

now atswim i fear you may have punctured one of my theories from upthread, which is that holck used the flat to avoid gossiping hotel workers.

but you're right, i had conveniently forgotten to factor in the hotel room.

maybe holck and nanna had arranged to meet and the flat was already booked that night? or was she in the hotel with someone else??
which might then give an added slant on holck's "little whore" comment. still out of order but would fit with his jealousy.

and yes - what WAS nanna doing on the BOILS dating site?? fed up with boys her own age and wanting someone a bit more mature/financially better off? or was she in effect something of an escort for BOILS?

teej · 19/03/2011 11:30

and if you take it that everyone in the plot has some sort of relevance, even if not to nanna's murder, then could troels effectively be used as a mirror for lund (showing the sacrifices they make to be the best, as you say) and that is his over-riding purpose (as well as to show the devestating repercussions of being a suspect in a murder inquiry)?

BTW - ROFL at TROELLY!!! Grin

thebestofyou · 19/03/2011 11:34

Cant wait for tonights episodes !

Am I the only one who has doubts about the Nanna/Amir rekindled romance?
Something doesnt quite ring true to me-the bit in the video where she is talking to her parents -it seems a bit'fake' to me and then it pans to Amirs face- not the face of a man madly in love -he looks really serious/uncomfortable.
I wonder whether Amir was helping her to 'get away'from someone and their plan goes wrong .

teej · 19/03/2011 11:35

and another thing....

do we know, forensically, that nanna was raped at the flat or could she have been beaten up around the apartment until she was ko'd, and then raped elsewhere.

it is just so odd there is no dna except her blood, which would make you think her assailant was wearing some sort of suit (the one he wore in the woods?) to avoid leaving any trace? i mean if he had raped her then surely there would be SOME form of evidence like a bit of body hair that had fallen off or something??

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atswimtwolengths · 19/03/2011 11:39

Oh and another theory I have in the middle of the night is that the reason there's no semen at the rape scene is because there was no man involved. I still wonder whether Rie was at the flat and saw Nanna arrive and 'punished' her. This of course woud mean that Nanna had had a relationship with Troels, or that Rie believed that.

Is that really far-fetched?

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thebestofyou · 19/03/2011 11:39

teej -that was also my thought-that she was 'an escort' that maybe BOILS was a cover for some kind of prostitution ring with high profile figures at the centre.
Would this explain Ramas rescue of the other young woman ?

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atswimtwolengths · 19/03/2011 11:41

Or Rie as Lady Macbeth, goading someone (Morten? Troels?) into killing, then living with the guilt?

Macbeth because of the book that Nanna was reading.

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atswimtwolengths · 19/03/2011 11:41

Yes, thebestofyou, I think Nanna was involved in escort work, too.

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teej · 19/03/2011 11:42

best (btw are you a foos fan by any chance?)
i think the awkwardness was because amir knows he is the reason theis and pernille are losing their daughter. if it wasn't for him trying to avoid his arranged marriage to be with nanna then they would have no reason to bolt. also tbf he seems a bit shy in general...

actually that's a point - does the hotel incident tie in with amir coming back? i mean could he and nanna have been in the hotel room and then he told her that he was going to have to go through with this arranged marriage so they split up, she got plastered and called for help. then afterwards amir realised he could not go through with it so he and nanna got back together and they realised they would have to run away?

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atswimtwolengths · 19/03/2011 11:47

Does anyone else think that Amir comes across as strange rather than grief stricken?

Why couldn't he have gone to Theis' workplace and just shown him the camcorder?

Yes, teej, I can see why Nanna and Amir would need a hotel room, but not Nanna and Holck. He had his own place - why would he need the flat, even, never mind a hotel?

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teej · 19/03/2011 11:47

atswim Rie strikes me as the sort of person who would not do mess. i think if she was to attack someone she would find a much more clean and efficient way to do it iykwim?

MinnieBar · 19/03/2011 11:50

As regards the kind-of-spoiler re the next series - I have an alternative theory on that (that I won't share here) so PM me if you want to hear it!

thebestofyou · 19/03/2011 11:54

teej Yes -How did you guess ?Grin Sadly tried to get tickets for MK but sold out in seconds Sad

Hmm I just dont get that a pretty young woman would be that interested in older men rather her peers.
I have another theory that Pernilles sister is some how involved- is her name Charlotte?
Am wondering if she had something on Theis - his previous crime?

teej · 19/03/2011 11:54

atswim i know - i wonder when amir came clean to his father? and whether his father was stopping him from coming forward earlier?

tbf i think the poor lad is a bit awkward at the best of times but at the moment he is shattered. he had decided to turn his back on his family, put his family through the ignomony of publicly rejecting their plan for him, rejecting the poor girl involved and running off with nanna. he wrestles with his conscience, turns his back on tradition and goes with his heart - only for his heart to be ripped away from him just as it was supposed to be free. that's enough to turn anyone into a wreck. also he probably could not grieve openly until now so there is a lot of pent up emotionSad

teej · 19/03/2011 11:56

best have you tried for isle of wight?

there was a suggestion that charlotte has a coke problem, wasn't there? i seem to recall her snorting up some white stuff in the loo at BOILS?