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Jamie's Dream School

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londonone · 02/03/2011 21:15

20 in a class
No curriculum
TV Cameras

And they still piss around! Maybe people will start to get a real idea about how perhaps some of the students are in fact not vitims but the architects of their own downfall!

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megapixels · 23/03/2011 22:39

The head said that he couldn't put the other teens at risk because it looked like she was ready to bring the baby into lessons with her. I happened to think he was right actually, sad as it is for the girl.

marybeard · 23/03/2011 22:49

Thanks all for being a bit nice about this.. the truth is that I DID put quite a lot of thought, that I think I did get better (and some of them learned a bit of Latin.. dont know if they showed that, as I havent watched) ... but it was still dead tough..
That is roughly what I said in the Guardian article: www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/mar/01/taught-latin-jamies-dream-school

sue52 · 23/03/2011 22:53

I think Andrew Motion's zero tolerance stance went down well. The children who were told to leave seemed quite shocked and the remaining pupils had what seemed to be enjoyable lesson and actually wrote some good poetry.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2011 22:55

I felt sorry for those who obviously wanted to learn in all that, too, such as Aisha, LaToya and Danielle.

sue52 · 23/03/2011 22:55

Marybeard you are a star in my house.

boohoohoo · 23/03/2011 22:56

Star here as well, wish I had had you as my Latin teacher!!!

BitOfFun · 23/03/2011 22:57

Oh thanks Mary Grin

Hassled · 23/03/2011 22:58

I was so hoping you'd post :).

No, they didn't really show any actual teaching of Latin, other than with the one girl as a 1-to-1 (the girl who talked about Bengali), which was a shame as it didn't tally with what obviously happened as you described in the article. I'd have loved to see more of the actual teaching and less of the bun-fights. Are you glad you did it, now some time has passed?

jetgirl · 23/03/2011 23:02

I would have loved to see some Latin teaching - as a Latin teacher in a comprehensive I was really interested in today's episode. I thought you were great Mary, if you ever fancy another go, please come and meet my year 11s, they're amazing Grin

MmeLindt · 23/03/2011 23:05

Mary
You made me cry. That Guardian article was lovely.

I enjoyed tonight's program.

BitOfFun · 23/03/2011 23:11

Oh yes- I found the Guardian article on my phone and read it while waiting for my daughter to get out of the Derren Brown show. It was very moving.

marybeard · 23/03/2011 23:30

Damn .. I was hoping for some good PR for the REAL LATIN. Oh well.
Am I glad I did it? Truth is.. I learned a lot, it doesn't sound as if I made a total ass of myself, and I reckon all things considered I came out ahead by a narrow margin. So I am counting my blessings.. and also reflecting that that is probably the last bit of reality tv I shall (or should) do!

expatinscotland · 23/03/2011 23:33

Terrific article! I wish I'd had you for a Latin teacher as well.

I think overall all the teachers come across well, even Starkey :o.

IloveJudgeJudy · 23/03/2011 23:46

I, too, was astonished at just how disruptive and disrespectful some of the pupils were tonight. I just wanted them to be quiet. Also, what's this about them being able to leave and enter the lessons just when they want to? Is Jamie saying that he wants pupils to be able to smoke, argue, etc at his Dream School?

Also, I agree with some other posters above about the head. I spoke to my 16 yo DS about it and he said the HT should have dressed more smartly, should have spoken a bit better and, especially last week, should not have backed down in front of Harlem. He is giving the pupils too much leeway, I think and not enforcing the rules enough. I didn't realise he was the bag finder as well as the HT!

I do understand why he was emotional, though. He has no other trained teachers there to discuss anything with, does he? It's just him on his own, admittedly with only a class of students, but with some very aggressive ones. He is not encouraging them to give him their respect, I don't think.

I wish I knew the answer to the bad misbehaviour by some pupils that stops everyone else learning. I think it really is a great problem.

marybeard · 24/03/2011 00:08

jetgirl.. email me re your year 11s

comixminx · 24/03/2011 08:31

I'm interested that Mary Beard's Guardian article clarifies that it was in the last of her scheduled lessons that she talks to the pupils about discipline. In last night's programme it looked as if she was doing it in a rather earlier lesson, as a way to get the kids onside, rightly or wrongly. Knowing that it was actually at the end of the classes makes a difference, changing it from a reactive (possibly smart, possibly too soft) move to a discussion in which th kids were treated like adults. Wish it had been clearer in the programme - I spent that bit grumbling at the screen that surely this was using up a lot of teaching time...

mrsden · 24/03/2011 08:48

I don't understand why the school doesn't have some basic rules that everyone signs up to, they're not forced to be there so if they don't want to sign up they can leave. For example, why are they allowed to have their phones on in lessons? Why are they allowed to smoke onsite? Why are they allowed to walk in and out of lessons. It must be so distracting and some of them clearly struggle to concentrate as it is.

I'm also shocked at how rude they are. Do they realise how childish they look? They are all over 16. I wonder what they think when they watch the programme, I bet they don't realise that they are so loud and so unreasonable.

JanMorrow · 24/03/2011 13:46

Mary I thought you did really well. I have no idea how I would tackle a class like that if faced with them (I'm not a teacher), it's a world away from anything I've experienced!

Due to whatever reasons, a lot of those children have dreadful self esteem issues with present themselves through aggression and extreme defensiveness. Any perceived insult to them is blow way out of proportion, it's amazing to witness.

I do hope some of the kids got something out of this and decide to pursue education, either in FE colleges (which do GCSE retake programmes) or through some other route.

I was thinking I would love to share my love of English Literature, or Art with kids who haven't had the chance of 1-1 attention- but I wouldn't know where to begin!

hattymattie · 24/03/2011 16:32

Hello Marybeard. My daughter (13) is an absolute whizz at Latin (French state school system). She would love to have you as her teacher and really enjoyed your Pompeii programme as well.

My teenage daughters have both watched this and cannot believe the level of behaviour. Also in their school one whiff of a mobile phone and it's immediate confiscation.

marybeard · 24/03/2011 16:32

Thanks Jan... As I think I said, I am still in touch with quite a few of them, and they do have positive plans...Ronnie told me that he would like to be a primary school teacher, for example.

So let's hope.

I agree that it's hard to know where to begin on the bigger picture.. m

NotaMopsa · 24/03/2011 20:32

MaryBeard I googled you ( ashamed) last night and am now officially a fan. My son is about to drop latin against my better judgement in favour of two MFL. I mentioned to his teacher that if he is so good at Latin he should keep it up but was pooh poohed in favour of the MFLs.

We need to keep Latin alive

marybeard · 25/03/2011 04:16

NotaMopsa... well anything i can do to keep the lad on track, let me know!
hattiemattie,,it is hard not to think that the tv cameras made it worse.. they didnt actively encourage, but i wonder what I would have done aged 17 in tht situation..? I HOPE that's the case anyway, m

hattymattie · 25/03/2011 11:18

MaryBeard - are you really awake at 4 am in the morning??

My youngest will be continuing Latin as they get extra points on the French bac' for having an ancient language but she does enjoy it as she reckons it gives her something over the rest of the family (I was thrown out after a year for being useless - never could get to grips with the sentence structure).

Keep doing your TV Mary you're making the classics cool.

gramercy · 25/03/2011 14:47

Just watched this on catch-up.

It's interesting that it appears the "star pupils" are the ones who are victims of circumstance: the girl whose mother withdrew her from school and sent her to Bangladesh, the girl who'd suffered a lot of illness and the boy who had five older brothers/been in care etc. The others largely seem a bunch of yobs who just make good car-crash tv.

I wonder how these kids would fare if they were taken as individuals and placed in a class of well-disciplined children? As it is they are still in their comfort zone, able to text/chatter/paint nails to their heart's content. It would take more courage to be "mouthy" if you were the only one in the class doing it.

MaryBeard - if you're still in the ether - great work! Ds is learning Latin independently as his comprehensive school does not teach Classics. He really enjoyed your Pompeii programme (even the rude bits! - he is 12 and at the squirming age...)

marybeard · 25/03/2011 19:31

Glad that Classics is getting a bit cooler.... hope the kids are enjoying it (afraid to say that the rude bits often help) m

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