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Hair Removal for a 12/13 year old

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Bettyj69 · 21/03/2010 13:25

Help please Mums. My 12 year old (13 in Aug) has asked can she 'shave' her legs. She doesn't want to shave them, having had a few horror stories from friends who have cut themselves shaving.

Any recommendations as to what is the best form of hair removal for ones so young?

Much appreciated.

OP posts:
Bicnod · 22/03/2010 18:38

On the subject of hair I would also like to point out that, being a hairy-handed trucker myself, I find it very offensive that we are referred to in such negative terms so frequently on MN. What has the hairiness of our hands got to do with anything?

LeSingeEstDansLarbre · 22/03/2010 19:02

well it clearly has its roots in female subjugation, yes. it is not something that without teasing etc women would put themselves to the faff of doing without their having received messages from a young age about the attractiveness of hair. (really, it isn't, you're not all going out having your labia trimmed but men are programmed to prefer fresh, neat labia, you're doing it because you've been taught it's more attractive. the labia thing is coming, though, already it's a plastic surgery procedure, so your granddaughters may well be having an argument about it with my granddaughters in time).

but no, i'm not equating shaving your legs with female circumcision, funnily enough, and i kinda resent the inference that i would make such a facile and offensive point.

Alouiseg · 22/03/2010 19:11

Ok so there is a whole debate about hair removal going on and as a child i definitely removed my hair so i didn't look like a freak, i had a lot of fair skinned blonde friends who just didn't have the problem i did. I would have looked like in ape by comparison.

Now i remove my hair because it's fairly repulsive to look at a thatch of underam/leg/pubic hair and these days i go for the full Hollywood because it's marvellous for my sex life. Tmi??

I don't feel subjugated at all in fact i would suggest it's liberating for me.

zazen · 22/03/2010 19:31

We seem to think that hair is disgusting and that women have never altered their appearance for the sake of it before brazillins and and full on hollywoods made their appearance. I think this view is a massive red herring TBH, and might be better discussed on another thread.

I agree with Upahill: Women in ancient Persian culture used to thread all their hair off - it was thought of as cleaner if there was no hair - and in the absense of en-suite bathrooms and running water i would agree - hair is designed to hold sweat and concentrate smells. This an evolutionary step to indicate that the hairy person is ready to reproduce.

I was definately not be ready to reproduce at 10, and hypothetically neither will my DD. If my DD turns out as hairy as I was at an early age, and she wants to be like her peer group - and learn how to form those sustaining social bonds - she can use the sugar wax NADS which was designed and developed by and Australian woman who has daughters who had dark noticable hair.

Having a hairy body and having adult body odour (and needing to use deoderant, or maybe that's another [sigh] subjugation Singe) are signs of fertility.

I will allow my DD to fit into her peer group - I don't think that will be subjugating her. Rather I think it will be empowering her to have control over what she wants the world to know her as, and how to treat her.

Having an opinion, and making decisions on the basis of observations about body hair is instinctive - most girls at age 10 DO NOT have noticable hair - and it's a clear indicator of being different - it's obvious and in your face unaviodable. Evolutionarily we are programmed to reject the outsider to our group - they are a liability.

I feel that it is more damaging to be excluded for being a freak at this age than removing the cause of the discrimination. Girls are designed to be micro discriminators - a lot os at stake if we are to choose the wrong mate.

Good on you Singe - seems you not only have hair but extremely thick skin.
Not all of us were as self reliant as you at such a tender age.

The OP's DD has a hair problem, she herself has expressed a desire to rid herself of the hair on her legs - I suggest NADS sugar wax - it's pretty painless and the results last for a few weeks.

LeSingeEstDansLarbre · 22/03/2010 20:02

god, i hate all that 'good on you' bullshit when you're actually being pretty snide.

magicwand · 22/03/2010 20:15

waxing.

my niece started doing it when she was 11. does hurt a bit to begin with, but you get used to it.

if you can do it at home its a lot cheaper. veet does a wax kit which is water soluble so mistakes can be wiped off easily.

cariboo · 22/03/2010 21:57

(the pedant in me refuses to take anyone seriously who can't spell indefinite)

McBitchy · 24/03/2010 01:04

so agree norma - I weep with you

McBitchy · 24/03/2010 01:07

zazen - my dd does NOT have hair at 15 does that mean she is a 'freak' and a 'liability' oddly she is very popular

shockers · 24/03/2010 01:21

DD (12) is the hairiest member of our family... very occasionally we 'tickle' each other with my epilator on our legs.

This gets rid of the worst of it for both of us and ensures that she will not be 'noticed' for exeptional hairiness without me pointing out that hair is not viewed with fondness in this country.

It's sad but I don't want my daughter to notice her unusual amount of body hair at the hands of someone unpleasant. At the moment, it's just fun tickling each other.

Bonsoir · 24/03/2010 09:04

It is very wrong, IMO, to teach young girls that any action they undertake to make themselves more attractive is a form of female subjugation.

They should first and foremost want to make themselves more attractive to themselves. Of course their view of what constitutes attractive humanity will have been formed in great part by observing the other humans around them, and comparing and contrasting those humans.

Wanting and being able to make the best of oneself is not oppressive but liberating.

Rubyrubyruby · 24/03/2010 10:42

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TrillianAstra · 24/03/2010 11:02

If she wants to shave her legs because her friends are doing it and it's what grownups do - say no.

If she wants to remove actual hair from her body because she doesn't like how it looks/feels - go for something cheap and simple - a decent razor and some conditioner/shaving gel or Veet cream will do it.

Waxing/sugaring/epilating hurts, and only works if the hair is a certain thickness - I have v fine leg hairs and epilators do not grip them properly.

StuffedFullOfNothing · 24/03/2010 11:17

Bonsoir, I totally agree with you.

What is the big deal about this? I started shaving my legs at 12, most of us did. We had bare legs and felt self-conscious having hairy legs on display. It wasn't about being prematurely sexualised or anything like that. I didn't wear makeup till I was 15!

MathsMadMummy · 24/03/2010 11:20

what Bonsoir said.

I was never taught any of this looking-after-myself stuff, and have a vivid memory of nan saying to my parents that I was vain for looking in the mirror!

I'm so lucky that my DH fancies the pants off me no matter what I wear or if my legs are hairy etc. When I make an effort, it's for me, not him. I have very low self esteem and would love to be able to put more effort into my appearance. Maybe if he was an arse who agreed with me when I say how rubbish I look it'd be easier!

sorry wandered off on a tangent didn't I

Rubyrubyruby · 24/03/2010 11:22

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MathsMadMummy · 24/03/2010 11:23

also, forgot to write this on my first post on this thread, but at 12 many girls have started their period! if they're old enough to deal with STs/tampons surely they can be taught to use a razor

mathanxiety · 24/03/2010 15:18

LeSinger -- deodorant crystals may work fine for you, but they are not for all. I have always needed to use a much stronger product.

DS started shaving a good while before he needed to, as far as I could see, in hopes of training his facial hair perhaps, to grow in? He shaves every morning, weekends included, now that he actually needs to, has never tried the whiskery look, and nor have any of his pals. They attend a school where they could grow a full beard if they wanted to and still prefer the shaven look.

As a fairly young teen, with a mother who never had any leg hair for some reason, I shaved my legs and pits without ever asking her permission, and also tackled my eyebrows with a tweezers. Mum never noticed any of the shaving, afaik. I know I probably did a really good job on my eyebrows cos one day she remarked, when I was about 17, that I should never touch my eyebrows as they were so beautiful. LOLOL, mum, I had been doing them from age 12 -- she was completely shocked to realise I paid any attention to my appearance. I think she was off with the fairies in some regards....

My own DDs have gone ahead and shaved their legs and god knows what else. I taught them how to do it properly and how not to cut themselves. I think that accepting their experiences and preferences about their own personal appearance, and teaching them how to do things properly has given them the message that I think it's fine with me that they are growing up and developing their own taste as far as their personal appearance and grooming goes. Also that I'm proud of their technical competence in accomplishing complicated hairstyles, neatness with nail polish and nail trimming, etc. All of that goes along with learning about finances, banking, credit cards, savings, doing their own laundry, saving their babysitting money for clothes purchases -- it's all a part of teaching personal responsibility and letting them become independent with my blessing.

I also allow them to use makeup, and they have their own preferences there. It has been a very nice experience for me and hopefully for them to steer them in the right direction wrt foundation shades, eyeshadow colours, mascara techniques; I think this sort of bonding experience has been a positive for my DDs.

I have found the book 'Teenage Beauty' by Bobbi Brown a fabulous bible of sorts for my DDs as they experiment with their looks and become competent with makeup and other aspects of grooming. They have avoided major disasters, and seem happy about the way they look going out to school in the morning or off for an evening with friends. Which is quite an accomplishment for a teenage girl. A bit of confidence goes a long way, and so what if something skin deep adds to that feeling? Better to add to a young girl's confidence level about her appearance (which is important to teenage girls whether it's fair or right or not) than to make her miserable and self-conscious about it, imo.

Having had a mother who was quite a hippy in her own way, I found the experience of trying to find my way through the teenage years and deal with the question of personal appearance to be a lonely one, as far as my relationship with my mum went, it was a negative; I don't think it's a positive thing to have no conversations at all on the topic of personal grooming, nor do I feel that making a teenage girl battle it out with a mother for permission to be like her peers is a good thing. Some of my approach has been a conscious effort to do things differently from the way my mother did it. I have found that being open and approachable and positive about makeup, shaving, etc., has led to openness and approachability between us on questions such as sex, boyfriends, contraception, relationships, and many other things that are very important to be able to communicate about.

Teenage girls are not children any more. Maybe the fact that concern for appearance in the form of asking to shave, is a sign that our DDs are starting to grow up, and maybe there are some who are not 100% comfortable with or ready for that to happen?

MathsMadMummy · 24/03/2010 15:53

great post mathanxiety - nice to hear your DDs are growing up into confident young ladies

Loshad · 04/04/2010 21:42

I'm with Lesinger all the way, too many people on here allowing themselves, and their dds to be oppressed and forcing them to conform to some ideals decided by who??

nappyaddict · 14/04/2010 12:27

I had my legs waxed from the age of 9 (I was very hairy). Now aged 21 I barely have any hair on my legs as a result which is a big bonus.

farmerjones · 14/04/2010 12:50

a 13 year old is not too young for hair removal.
personally, i was pouring hot wax on my legs at that age, and burning myself, coz mum didnt believe in women confomring to barbie doll images. my friends on the other hand were having their legs either waxed progesssionally, or by moms who were profficient at it. much safer all round i feel.
when dd wants hair removed, i shall take her along to salon to get waxing/threading etc done, properly. no burning or scarring happening coz mother foisting her own extra feminsist views. blah blah blah.

optimisticmumma · 14/04/2010 15:27

Great post mathanxiety.

OP - my DD uses a good razor and when she was 14 had her eyebrows done in a salon to give them a good shape (they are dark and thick)- she has kept it up herself for over a year! That's it. No particular peer pressure, no big deal from me. I certainly would not want her to go to a salon regularly as apart from anything else it sets up an expectation on her part that it is not a treat but a necessity.

allbie · 15/04/2010 21:40

My DD has the nick name hairy wolf !!!!!!!! We use cream whenever she feels the need! She shaves her underarms and keeps all hairy zones sorted as she wishes. She's a young lady now and should be treated as such. I give her all the assistance she wants and we discuss such matters openly. I went to boarding school and had no input from my mum. Her confidence and self esteem is paramount.

PickUpYourPants · 19/04/2010 23:08

This thread has got me thinking, I never discussed shaving underarm with my daughter really she just helped herself to a razor out of the cupboard and got on with it. She is fair and doesn't bother with her legs, if they start to bother her I will take her to try being waxed as it is much better than shaving and will keep her hairs fine. She has perfect eyebrows - naturally!

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