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DD being called a 'lesbian' and 'gay bitch' at school - she is dreading every morning.

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GetOrfMoiLand · 20/10/2009 10:40

DD is 13 and has several girls and boys calling her a lesbian and gay bitch/slut etc.

All stemmed from a friend having a sleepover this weekend. DD wrote 'dd heart friend' on her bedroom mirror. DD's friend has now 'discussed' this with other friends who have all said (horrified) urgh well gay etc.

DD responded with something along the lines of there's nothing wrong with being a lesbian anyway and some of my closest family are gay, you bigots (my mum and aunty are lesbians so it is viewed as normal in our hosue)

Now it seems half of her friends are saying she is gay, and people are coming up to her in corridors saying you must be a lesbian, you like rugby .

DD has been to her teacher, who has said 'well, you didn't exactly help yourself by saying that your gran is a lesbian, added fuel to the fire etc' to which response I am a bit about.

DD has just text me to say that everyone seems to be laughing at her and she is really upset. I have tried to talk to her year head, she is calling me back. I just feel awful for dd and don't know what to do.

Any advice?

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AitchTwoToTangOh · 22/10/2009 12:55

hope it's gone well, getorf. (and hope you let the art teacher's car tyres down on the way out).

AitchTwoToTangOh · 22/10/2009 12:56

aaaaaaaaaaaw at 'be discreet', werewolf. i wanted my mother to evaporate into thin air at the same age, so i don't think there's anything to be so ashamed of there.

GetOrfMoiLand · 22/10/2009 17:08

Oh hello everyone thank you so so much again for messages, I haven't been able to come on (chaos last night, dinner with MIL, didn't get in until late) and this morning was the meeting, and then had to go to an offsite meeting. Thandeka - I am so grateful for what you have posted, I am sorry that I didn't see that yesterday as I would have certainly called you for ammo guidance.

Well, meeting this morning. It was attended by the year head and the pastoral support worker. They were very, very supportive and were full of action plan, which going on what I felt yesterday was far better than I expected.

-they said that they have a zero tolerance policy on bullying of this nature and it is considered as bad as racist and physical bullying and will be tolerated in the same way. I need to have a meeting with dd and the YH and pastoral worker to determine who is saying this. They will then be disciplined. I said that dd was concerned that this would make the situartion worse, they said that they are very strong on the fact that if there are any repurcussions this will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. They really want to nip this in the bud.

-YH has sent an email to all teachers of dd saying what is going on and for teachers to keep an eye out and deal swiftly with any activity.

-dd and I have meeting with pastoral worker tomorrow morning to discuss this further, also to name names. DD is able to stay with pastoral worker all day and not go into lessons if she wishes. If she does go into lessons she will be issued with an 'exit' pass (her teachers will have been told) so if she is feeling threatened she can leave the class and go to the pastoral dept. YH and Pastoral worker are very keen to get dd in school and overcome her feelings of fear and refusal before it gets worse. They feel that because half-term is next week, if she leaves it and doesn't go in tomorrow she will feel very apprehensive when it comes to going back to school Monday week.

-I got the strong sense that they are horrified by the art teacher. YH said that such attitudes are simply not acceptable. She has spoken to the art teacher who says that she is very sorry, she certainly didn;t mean it in a derogatory way, it was an off hand comment and she was trying to make light of the situation. I was asked if I would like the teacher to call me to apologise (said yes it would be good to speak to her) and I was asked if I would like to make a formal complaint about the teacher. I was quite shocked about this and was non-committal, I don't know, really.

-They also said that they were really surprised that something has gone on like this, they have a very strong gay and lesbian community at the school, several teachers are openly gay and there is a significant number of out and proud kids in the Sixth Form and Year 11 (news to me!). Apparently it is regarded as really cool, they generally have a few meatheaded comments from a few kids, which is stamped on they assure me, but generally there is a high level of acceptance. They have also said that if dd would like someone to talk to at this point or in the future they could arrange some informal mentporing with Sixth Form students, to try and build up her confidence.

-I did mention that the anti-bullying policy doesn't cover any specific forms of bullying, and seemed a very brief document. They said that yes the policy document does not actually reflect the very strong anti-bullying policy that the school does in practice follow. They said that they would look into amending that.

I have yet to say any of this to dd - she has been taken to Swindon by DP for shopping and pizza. I will speak to her when I get home, I hope that she feels that she is getting support. I think that there may be some resistance to naming names, however I hope she agrees that this is the best way of solving the problem.

In talking to dd last night, I still get the strong feeling of mortfication and sheer horror at what has happened. I don't know, perhaps she did have a crush on someone. I am hoping that she can tell me, will talk some more later, or my mum (we are going to Devon this weekend).

Tatt - your post got me thinking actually, it wasn't specifically the lesbian thing that bothers me so much, rather the paiting up with bitch etc. But it reminded me of my little brother, he got picked on a bit from having a lesbian mum, boys at school would sneer 'urgh, your mum is a lezzer' and by bro would go 'Oh my god thank FUCK you told me , I didn't realise, help me with my dykey mum' etc etc and generally take the piss out of the other boys. Plus it did help that he was well over 6 foot 4 by the age of 13!

Cyteen - your post has made me lol! I think it is the responsibility of all mother of teens to embarrass them, dd hisses at me 'mum, don't show me up' through gritted teeth when I start singing evacuate the dancefloor in Sainsbos (or something equally naff). Don't blame her, actually.

Thanks again so much eveeyone, this has been such a support.

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MacaroonIncident · 22/10/2009 17:10

GREAT to have out 6th formers and year 11s

how cool
it is odd hten isnt it that its so horrid in KS3.
wish you luck mate

iwascyteenagewerewolf · 22/10/2009 17:14

That all sounds really positive GetOrf, well done you Interesting that the school is making such strong claims for being a tolerant community, I do hope it's backed up with positive action.

Also interesting what you say about your DD possibly having complex reasons for being so mortified. God, being a teenage girl was a nightmare, I wouldn't go back there for the world - everything is so bloody complicated!

GetOrfMoiLand · 22/10/2009 17:35

Thanks Macaroon - yes it is odd, but I remember when I was at school wegirls were all a nest of vipers between 12 and 15, when we were a bit older we calmed down a bit. You work in a girls school don't you? Do you find that girls this age are normally so damn bitchy?

I am glad and pleasingly surpised that they have out gay kids, thank god things have changed.

I am feeling a lot, lot better, but I have yet to speak to dd. She seems like an emotional tyro at the moment. But everything seems to be going in the right direction.

Am very pleased with the school, and to be taken so seriosuly so quickly. Is a shame that her tutor isn't there (she gets on very well with him, he is off long term sick) but the year head and pastoral worker (who is partciluarly very very nice but also quite tough and no nonsense) really impressed me.

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Thandeka · 22/10/2009 17:39

hurrah that all sounds really positive.

I wonder if a teacher from the school has been following this thread.....

justaboutautumn · 22/10/2009 17:39

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cocolepew · 22/10/2009 17:46

It's nice to read a follow up post where the school aren't trying to fob you off or avoid the issue, sounds really positive.

GetOrfMoiLand · 22/10/2009 17:46

Thandeka - I think you must have sent across thought vibes! I was all prepared to go in all guns blazing (from that link of your mostly, that was really helpful) so for them to be so positive took the wind out of my sails.

I am pleased because it is generally a really good school and I have always had a high opinion of it so far.

Also, which I didn't mention, I had a good old chat (for about 20mins!) with a woman who works on student reception when I went in this morning, told her chapter and verse and she said she knows dd very well, said lovely things about her (she is such a cherrful girl, always smiling and good fun) and says that her and her group of friends are lovely girls, never any trouble. Said a load of stuff about how she is always coming tramping mud through reception after football and rugby matches, singing songs. Was so nice of her to say such kind things.

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Zoya · 22/10/2009 17:51

How lovely for you to hear that about your daughter - and what a great girl she must be. So pleased to hear about the school's reaction. I hope dd goes in and has a good day there tomorrow, and that her return after half term is positive.

ilovemydogandmrobama · 22/10/2009 18:05

Brilliant!

The buddy system is brilliant, and great that the school suggested it.

Whatever does happen, perhaps it would be a good idea to practice some put down one liners, or she could ask her buddy in 6th form about what they say? Nothing rude, but comments to those who have been bullying her, 'so, guess you won't be coming to the Gay Pride March?' Or, 'The school counsellor still has some appointments available if you want to talk about your homophobia...'

BarbaraBlacksheep · 22/10/2009 19:01

Sounds like a really positive meeting

GetOrfMoiLand · 22/10/2009 20:45

Just had a looon chat with dd. To be honest even though I was all positive about the school meeting, I thouht it would all go pear shaped and she would be apprehensive about going back to school.

However, she really likes the pastoral worker and trusts her not to stir up anything. When I said they also had a zero tolerance with repurcussions that reassured her. She also feels releaved that she doesn't have to go into lessons, she can spend the day with the pastoral worker doing end of term stuff (and chatting about things the pastoral worker said) so doesn't have to go into the class until she feels ready. I am keeping my fingers crossed that tomorrow goes well.

DD seems very sombre still, strange really it is not like her (apart from 2 days a month when she has the most monstrous pmt, like a replica of my mum actually, she is a really sunny natured girl) and she is not herself.

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AitchTwoToTangOh · 22/10/2009 20:52

what a relief, i do hope you get a chance to speak to your dd and let it all come out.

sorry for not recognising you, cyteen. nice hallowe'en namechange btw.

MacaroonIncident · 22/10/2009 20:53

i manage to keep out of a lot of the pastoral stuff and stick to teaching thankfully.

AitchTwoToTangOh · 22/10/2009 20:53

x=posted somehow.

tatt · 22/10/2009 21:12

Great that the school are handling it well. I wouldn't personally go further against the teacher. We all have off days and she knows it was wrong. Taking it further would tend to make her defensive.

I have a teenage daughter and yes I'm afraid a lot of teenage girls can be real bitches. They do seem to improve a bit by the time they get to the 6th form. Either the school wears them down, the less bitchy ones get better at come backs or the bitches are less insecure themselves.

Time for some comments about how proud you are of her?

MacaroonIncident · 22/10/2009 21:13

i DO know that the msn hting seems to NOT help relationships.

MamaG · 23/10/2009 07:57

Good result I think GOML

Lizzylou · 23/10/2009 08:06

Gerroff, that sounds like a great result, hope your DD is OK today.

GetOrfMoiLand · 23/10/2009 10:50

Went in this morning, dd very nervous however seemed very positive with pastoral worker who had a good rapport with her. DD still seems very unhappy, i have asked her to open up and she has said 'I am not opening up to anyone, I don't want to' which is strangely unlike her. These past couple of weeks she has seemed unsettled and it has got worse this week.

DD stayed with pastoral worker for 2 periods, she has just gone into her first lesson on her own (have text her, no response as yet, she only texts between lessons) so fingers crossed all is OK. She has got her exit card to use if she feels she needs to leave the classroom.

One comment from her this morning which made me she said she didn't want to do PE (her normal all time favoruite lesson) because Kellie would be there and she would take the piss whilst she got changed. She wouldn't elaborate. She is like a clam at the moment.

Tatt - you're right, no I am not going to complain formally about art teacher, I accept that the school is doing all it can to help dd.

Had a long discussion about all this last night with DP - he is worried that dd is essentially unhappy and would like to move back to Devon, that this is just the tip of the iceberg. This worries me. He also says that she has got to develop a thicker skin and not let things get to her, and to develop some strategies to cope/defend herself. He has got a point I think.

Ramble ramble, thanks everyone for listening.

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MamaG · 23/10/2009 10:56

Think you're handling of this has been spot on. My oldest is 10 and I'm dreading all this sort of thing.

GetOrfMoiLand · 23/10/2009 11:58

Thanks MamaG . To be honest, so far (apart from this obv) I have been loving having dd being a teen, she is so funny and wonderful company. But, and this is no exaggeration, this is the hardest and most challenging part of parenthood so far. When she was a tiny baby crying, a toddler screaming in Sainsbos and the High School Musical obsession at 11 were nothing compared to this!

I am normally Xenia like in my working mother beliefs (ok, not as bad as Xenia) but if I was able to give up work completely to be more of a support to dd I would do it. I have never ever felt that before.

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MamaG · 23/10/2009 16:07

God I can well believe it. Its an awful situation.