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Store sells booze to minor

111 replies

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 01:46

What would you do?
Spirits purchased by u18 with someone elses Id .. a child ends up in hospital.
Not about blame , that said , let's "keep it real" and even if no one ended up in hospital ( or worse ) what action would you take?

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GoldenNuggets08 · 23/09/2024 01:49

My action would be to give out to the underage teens. Can't say I'd do anything with the shop, especially given an ID was used.

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 01:57

GoldenNuggets08 · 23/09/2024 01:49

My action would be to give out to the underage teens. Can't say I'd do anything with the shop, especially given an ID was used.

Cheers @GoldenNuggets08 , what is "give out" meaning?
Say you find out after the fact, what would be your thoughts on that , what would/could you do ?

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HoppyZippy · 23/09/2024 02:06

I'd report it. The shop may not have done anything wrong but might benefit from extra training etc. They may also have had issues like it before which only the council would know ( I think it's the council who deal with it? I'm not sure)

spuddy4 · 23/09/2024 04:31

I'd be hoping that the teenager has learned a valuable lesson after ending up in hospital. They purchased it with fake ID so that's on them, the shop didn't make them buy or drink it.

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 09:00

Yes, @spuddy4 , well said , everyone needs to bear, to "own" their reponsibilies.
And, yes, also, @HoppyZippy , doing so may help the store, and imagine it helps the store more than any other party - bec it's not like that will suddenly stop underage drinking across the region - but, maybe a few fewer children will not end up in hosp.

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mum11970 · 23/09/2024 09:11

I’d more likely have a word with the shop manager rather than report to the Authorities, if the ID was in anyway close to resembling the underage person, as someone’s job could easily be on the line.

mm81736 · 23/09/2024 10:13

Who lent the id?

AnneElliott · 23/09/2024 10:15

I'd report to the licensing authority - which is normally the local authority of the area in question. They can visit and check if processes are up to scratch in the store.

H34th · 23/09/2024 10:19

I imagine some shop keepers feel intimidated by say a group of teens and don't refuse out of own safety concerns.

ImRonBurgandy · 23/09/2024 10:22

Report

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 10:22

mum11970 · 23/09/2024 09:11

I’d more likely have a word with the shop manager rather than report to the Authorities, if the ID was in anyway close to resembling the underage person, as someone’s job could easily be on the line.

Fair point @mum11970 , but should their job be on the line? Personally, it is the supervisor/manager/senior staff member that would bear more responsibility.
And in fact, this is not just any store, it's not a corner shop, it's one of the big chains.
And @mm81736 though I've heard who it may have been , that lent their id , I don't want to say bec thjere is v little being shared by the group , and I could not claim with any certainty that they info is correct. They are protecting the person who purchased the drink by refusing to name them.

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Dinosaurlover · 23/09/2024 10:24

I'd hope the child had learned their lesson, but I'd have a very firm talk to them about their actions along with some consequence for their behaviour.

I wouldn't report it unless the ID was so blatantly not them (ie was wrong sex, skin colour level wrong).

This is all on the young person, who not only broke the law and risked their own health but put someone else's job at risk. I wouldn't be impressed.

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 10:26

@AnneElliott
Is that a county-wide authority, or national? It's a mojor chain.
It was only one person that made the purchase @H34th and they got it ahead of them all meeting up.
With who @ImRonBurgandy would you say to report it to?

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Lincoln24 · 23/09/2024 10:26

Id be hesitant to report this as the repercussions the shop faces can be significant - fines into £thousands. It's a lot to put on the shop when the teen is really the guilty party. I'd have a word with the manager.

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 10:28

Dinosaurlover · 23/09/2024 10:24

I'd hope the child had learned their lesson, but I'd have a very firm talk to them about their actions along with some consequence for their behaviour.

I wouldn't report it unless the ID was so blatantly not them (ie was wrong sex, skin colour level wrong).

This is all on the young person, who not only broke the law and risked their own health but put someone else's job at risk. I wouldn't be impressed.

Me too , lessons , yes , need learning - but the law states it's the provision of alcohol to a minor that is illegal , not the drinking of it - at least that's what I am reading online.

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sunflowersngunpowdr · 23/09/2024 10:30

I'd be bringing my 'child' to the store to apologise personally to the person they lied to. Then they would be writing a letter of apology to the hospital staff for wasting their time. Then they would be doing every scrap of crappy house work I could think of for a few months as punishment for their stupidity.

DuskandDawn · 23/09/2024 10:32

I wouldn't report to the store, it's the person who sold it who would be liable, not the chain itself.

MermaidEyes · 23/09/2024 10:32

but the law states it's the provision of alcohol to a minor that is illegal , not the drinking of it - at least that's what I am reading online.

Yes, but if the shop asked for ID, and ID was shown, and the shop were satisfied it was the same person then really they can't be at fault. The shop have done their due diligence. So as a pp said upthread, unless this person looks absolutely nothing like the photo in the IDthen I don't think the shop can be blamed.
Just to add most teens change so much their ID often doesn't look like them! My DD now looks nothing like she does in her driving license photo taken just 2 years ago due to hair colour and style etc.

ImRonBurgandy · 23/09/2024 10:32

Licensing and Trading Standards teams at the council

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 10:33

@Lincoln24
A supermarket chain , a major one , clealry needs to look at it's process. The govt is v specific about how identity is to be confirmed in such a sale.
A few thousand pounds? Alcohol is the biggest killer and the number of deaths go up year - on year - not by a little. Deaths go up 20 to 30 percent every year.

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Hoppinggreen · 23/09/2024 10:35

DuskandDawn · 23/09/2024 10:32

I wouldn't report to the store, it's the person who sold it who would be liable, not the chain itself.

Yes, a staff memebr in Sainsburys told me that if she sold alcohol or anything else to someone under age she was personally liable, as was whoever was the manager on duty.
I would bollock the teen and the person who lent the ID if appropriate but thats all

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 10:35

How do we know what dilligence was done? That's precisaielty the reason there are such specifics - check gov.uk - it's much more than, the picture looks the same.

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NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 10:37

I don't have a way to reach the group individuals b@Hoppinggreen , though I have spoken with the parents of two of them.

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poppyzbrite4 · 23/09/2024 10:38

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 10:33

@Lincoln24
A supermarket chain , a major one , clealry needs to look at it's process. The govt is v specific about how identity is to be confirmed in such a sale.
A few thousand pounds? Alcohol is the biggest killer and the number of deaths go up year - on year - not by a little. Deaths go up 20 to 30 percent every year.

The big stores usually have a challenge 25 I think it is. They are quite strict about it. I would go and see the manager.

The teenager could have killed themselves it was a really stupid thing to have done and I'd impose strict consequences.

CoffeeGood · 23/09/2024 10:39

NorahNorah · 23/09/2024 10:33

@Lincoln24
A supermarket chain , a major one , clealry needs to look at it's process. The govt is v specific about how identity is to be confirmed in such a sale.
A few thousand pounds? Alcohol is the biggest killer and the number of deaths go up year - on year - not by a little. Deaths go up 20 to 30 percent every year.

If the person puhcasing the alcohol had plausible ID, then the supermarket has done its due diligence by checking that ID, what else would you ask them to do?

The teen that lent the ID and the teen that used the ID need sitting down and reading the riot act to. If either of those teens were mine there would be quite severe consequences. If the teen that ended up in hospital was mine, I'd be sitting them down and reading them the riot act too for being so irresponsible as to drink so much they ended up in hospital.

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