Store sells booze to minor

[NorahNorah]

What would you do?
Spirits purchased by u18 with someone elses Id .. a child ends up in hospital.
Not about blame , that said , let's "keep it real" and even if no one ended up in hospital ( or worse ) what action would you take?

@NorahNorah they have walked into a store with ID and purchased alcohol. The fault should be on the teenager who obviously knew they were breaking the law. I don't know what outcome you expect but most retail do think 25 training every 6 months which is worthless if said teenager has ID. The root cause of the problem and law breaking is the teenager.

The responsibility lies with the underage people who bought alcohol using fake Id. They knew what they were doing, it was planned. It's about taking the responsibility and dealing with the consequences not about trying to shift the blame and responsibility onto someone else or how will they ever learn?

Yep…

I would be cross with your child, not the shop. If they had fake ID and don't look completely different, and are of an age where they could feasibly be 18, it's hardly surprising they were served.

I had fake ID as a teen. I was an idiot.

How much training did you expect them to have?? If I.D is required you look at the dob, check the photo to see if it’s the person it should be. If they look similar (because you don’t always have the same hairstyle or make up as when the id photo was taken) you get served. You’re supposed to look for holographs on the id…cut the worker some slack. They did there job and asked for id. If it was similar to the person that’s why they got served

I would debate the root cause wityh you, @spuddy4 , though I absolutely agree they have a responsibility, too - that they shirk, and continue to shirk, as do many many others , as we did , shirk responsibility left, right and so on at that age.
It didn't happen in isolation, lots of people, many actions and each choice made by us all.
Everyone bears a degree of responsibility in this @lapochette friends, family, parents, preachers, teachers and even strangers lols

Once you report then it’s up to the store if the cashier gets fined / loses their job. I really think it’s super unfair to risk a poor cashiers job when a legit ID of a potentially similar looking person was used and no doubt the teen using it had memorised the DOB and star sign etc.

The focus needs to be on the teens responsible and the more you push down routes like the council, etc the more likely police will be looking to confiscate IDs, etc. That’s not what you want as your teen is potentially culpable in this.

I work in a supermarket and receive refresher training every few months as if I sell alcohol to a minor i could be fined and the store and they could lose their licence. We have internal and external test purchases. I regularly get abused for refusing alcohol sales . On a different note I have heard of social services getting involved if a child is admitted to hospital after consuming alcohol.

the person on the checkout could be prosecuted as well as lose their job. Seems quite unfair to me. If your kid landed themselves in hospital that’s their own silly fault. If they hadn’t put themself in hospital would you still be looking to report them?

In the eyes of the law (barring any provable negligence of store training) it will be the cashiers responsibility. The big chains all have yearly age related training but if a staff member fails the licensing check they get the fine not the store.

Odd way of looking at it. If anything the shop is the victim of your child’s fraud. Your child went to some trouble to get fake id then presented that to the shop worker. Lying to them. Why are they then to blame?

Seems to be such a thing for parents these days instead of directing the anger in the rightful direction ie your own kid you seek to diffuse it to third parties.

@NorahNorah Everyone bears a degree of responsibility in this friends, family, parents, preachers, teachers and even strangers lols

Sorry what!!?? You are absolutely deluded if you genuinely think this! The only people who have any responsibility for a teenager going out and getting so drunk that an ambulance had to be called is the teenager who drank that much to get that intoxicated and possibly the parents depending on circumstances (did the teen lie about where they were supposed to be, what boundaries to parents have in place around alcohol, etc). Your posts are becoming increasingly difficult to follow and are also trying to pass off the responsibility despite plenty of people here telling you the teen needs to face consequences for their actions. Not sure what else you want to be told really!!

And no “everyone” is not responsible. Your child is. And possibly your parenting can
ne questioned too. You are trying to offset the fault to a minimum wage shop assistant your child lied to.

Shit parenting. Thats what is to blame.

It’s always the parenting

Oh no it can’t possibly be that ftm it’s the fault
of the shop assistant/kids friends/society in general- anyone actually other than the guilty kid and their parents 🙄

OP you still haven't said what kind of ID was used. How close did the photo look? Was it a genuine ID of someone else or a really good fake?
This makes a huge difference to what you can expect the shop to do. My DD has a fake ID (with my knowledge, she's a summer baby, last of all her friends to turn 18, I know how frustrating that can be). I used to manage a pub, and I tell you, I am astonished by how good this fake is. If I still worked in the drinks trade there is no way I would be able to spot this fake.

It's the teen who bought it the person who lent it that need a lecture on the law. The poor shop assistant who was fooled (driving licence pictures are tiny and blurry) shouldn't loose their job (which would happen, plus the person who sells it it fined as well not just the shop) because two young people conspired to trick them. Lesson learned and suitable punishment to young people should be issued

@NorahNorah

And no it's not wider societies fault the young person did this, it's the said young person's fault along with their parents (or guardians) I have young people and taught them not to abuse alcohol, never ended up even sick, mid 20's now.

Everyone bears a degree of responsibility in this friends, family, parents, preachers, teachers and even strangers lols

What? Preachers, teachers and strangers are responsible your child (which it clearly is) colluded with another to use an ID that wasn't theirs and get so blitheringly drunk they ended up in hospital. Asbolutely NOT, the order of responsibility goes:

1. The child that drunk the alcohol
2. The child that used someone else's ID (possibly same child as in 1.)
3. The adult that let them use their ID
4. And loosely, the parent that didn't instil enough information about the dangers of alcohol. But as I say, that's loosely, because sometimes, kids do stupid things even though they have been taught better. But still, they are more at fault than "preachers, teacher and strangers"!

I personally wouldn't report the store - the person used fake ID.

I'm not quite at "unfair" @PonyPlaiter , but I agree no one needs firing.
And what a question about hospital, and I don't know .. I could go either way. Because clearly they weren't "responsible" in the manner they went about it , to a dangerous point - but if they just stopped at tipsy, i'd say that might be demonstating a bit of maturity.
Dear @TheaBrandt , what I've come to in the last few days is that blaming anyone for anything that happened, doesnt help.
My point is that the everyone, sure, say mainly the children, ought to be accountable.
There should'nt be anger directed at anyone, def not the children. Of course we're human, but we know it's damaging, it comes from a place of pain, and it inflicts pain.
I'm sorry to hear that happens @sandgrown , when you refuse sales, is there no security arouund ? (geez, what a world, security guards every doorstep)

You've had a scare, you're going into overdrive. Slow down until you can think rationally. We all make stupid mistakes, especially teens. Parents can't control all harms. You going overboard now will make a bad situation worse for everyone.

@NorahNorah you are trying to blame everyone but the ones who are ultimately responsible. Those responsible are first and pretty much mainly at fault are the teenager themselves, then the person responsible for lending the ID (if they knew), the purchaser of the alcohol and the parents. No one else!

Yeah the shop could reasonably say they will take action against your child for using fake id. What’s the saying - “a person has to approach equity with clean hands”. Your child was far more culpable. If you are going to start aggressively apportioning blame you need to accept they could well push back and question your liability for what happened.