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Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

I'm at wits end with my teen mum daughter

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Ithinkiminlimbo · 23/10/2023 22:19

Hi all,

I really don't know what to do for the best for the situation im in, and this may be a bit of a long one so grab a cuppa and strap in. I also have dyslexia and adhd so if my timelines and spellings get muddled, well, thats the reason :')

So, at 14 my daughter started a new high school, and because it was a mid year transfer, had no friends, and when she did get befriended, it was with the wrong crowd. My usually sweet delightful girl soon turned into a horror half the time. Thats normal i know, but when she turned 15 and got her first boyfriend, she got so much worse.

Thing is, my dc is sweet, but very naive, and i feel mean saying this but, not the brightest but makes up for it with her down to earthness and kindness.
This lad she was seeing projected all of his attitude and problems onto her, and she started acting like we were the worst, bunking off school, smoking weed and being so mean to me.

It all came to a head when after months of this, she and him ran away from school in the morning and we didnt find them until the evening. We had the police looking and when she got home, she got a telling off from them, and she basically said it was my fault she ran away, im too suffocating and stress too much. they have one chore a day to do and i let them spend their time to do as they please as long as homework is done, so i dont get it.

Me and my partner went on abreak around this time, as my stress levels were so high and i wanted to focus on working on my daughter ( we have since come back together, so yay) .

Anyway, i got called into school, her teacher sits me down with dc and she tells me shes pregnant. Shock, we go to a clinic, shes 25 weeks, so. no termination, this baby is coming. Dcs bf is 17, social and police are ok with that, so we prep for the babies arrival.

Dc has the baby, little boy, hes great and after a while she goes back to school and studies and get enough gcses to go to college. I arrange for care to learn to pay for childcare and arrange her bus timetable, but ask her to take the reigns for all that during the summer, as im starting second year of uni, and also have my other 2 dc to raise.

I bought all the baby gear, and buy the formula, nappies, everything, and yes i get child benefit for her, but i keep reminding her to apply for herself. She'll snap at me and saying shes doing it... but never does, same with healthy start, same with transfering her care to learn details for college and a new childminder. If she doesnt sort that during half term, she cant go back to college as the new sitter, and rightly so, has refused to offer childcare if it isnt in place. She is the only one that can liase with college to sort her application and she keeps mugging me off.

Her and her bf split, she cooled down and seemed great for a month or so, Now theres a new boy in the picture shes acting a bugger again.

Tonight when i popped out to get binbags, she left her son 10m asleep in his cot in the company of my 12yo son. I got home, and got back in my car and found her walking back from the shop with this lad, and another. She flat out refused to get in the car, and this was over an hour ago and shes still not home, her son has woken up and ive put him back to bed but i cant believe she'd leave him like this.

Im a f/t student, i work p/t and pay for all i can for her. i get my friends to donate old baby clothes for her, source all her kit and it goes all unappreciated i feel. Yes i expect her to clean up the house after her baby and to sort her admin out.

I cant believe she'd leave him like this. Maybe i do too much and need to detach more, with organising her life, not in an oppresive way, just to make her life easier as i know having a kid at 15 must be hard, but i also didnt sign up for this.

any advice, hand holding or solidarity would be greatly appreciated

OP posts:
GoingDownLikeBHS · 24/10/2023 14:30

Brilliant post @VerityUnreasonble

charlotte361 · 24/10/2023 14:40

*I feel very sorry for OPs daughter.

She was moved away from her support system at 14, to a new school, had no friends.*

Lots of kids change school and dont act like this!

UnevenBalance · 24/10/2023 14:49

OPs attention is directed towards caring for her other children, her studies, work and her partner

You know it’s pretty normal fir a mother to ALSO give her attention to her other dcs, her partner or herself.
Why do you feel it’s necessary to shame a mother because she is doing a pretty normal thing?

TUCKINGFYP0 · 24/10/2023 15:30

I work in this area, I think some posters have a very romantic view of adoption. Outcomes are nearly always better if children can stay in their birth family

No that’s not true. Outcomes are better in general for children who remain in birth families who are able and willing to provide good enough care than for children who grow up in care.

But that’s not the two choices here - a life in foster care v being brought up my extended family.

There is no extended family who can do this.

The baby’s father is a risk to him. The baby’s mother is unable to safety care for him either. His maternal grandmother is not able to provide long term care because she has a full time course, PT job and two other children to care for .

I’m assuming that none of his other 3 grandparents ( who everyone has conveniently ignored while they pile on the one who is actually doing all the work ) have buggered off as well.

So applying for a SGO is the last thing that the OP needs. That will just signal to social services that she is taking responsibility for the child.

If the child has no one in his family who can offer him stability in the long term, it’s far better than he’s placed for adoption now. It would be perfectly possible to have an open adoption with some limited contact with his bio mum and GM, if that’s what they want.

The outcomes for babies placed from this type of situation are extremely good.

You seem very naive ( or maybe I should say optimistic ) @Neurodiversitydoctor about how things are likely to pan out here. Id love to think that the Ops DD will see the error of her ways and get her shit together. But no one can make her do that and meanwhile her child is at risk.

However sorry each one of us might feel for a teenager who has made some very poor decisions, the main issue has to be the welfare of the child.

VerityUnreasonble · 24/10/2023 15:55

UnevenBalance · 24/10/2023 14:49

OPs attention is directed towards caring for her other children, her studies, work and her partner

You know it’s pretty normal fir a mother to ALSO give her attention to her other dcs, her partner or herself.
Why do you feel it’s necessary to shame a mother because she is doing a pretty normal thing?

Do you think I'm shaming? That's interesting.

I was pointing out that the OPs attention is directed towards those things.

All parents have to balance how their time and attention is shared. At times one or the other child or work or something else will need to take priority.

OPs daughter needed to be a priority before, when she was demonstrating quite clearly she was not ok. She is still demonstrating that. Her wellbeing needs to take priority. Then the other stuff will likely be much easier to sort.

And I'm sure many children do move schools and are fine. Some children are not and need support.

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 24/10/2023 16:02

How are you today @Ithinkiminlimbo?

I can't begin to imagine how you're feeling Flowers

secular37 · 24/10/2023 16:11

To the PP'a saying that OP daughter will not get help from social services.

She will definitely, as she is under 19 years and is supposed to have one due to the age she fell pregnant.

To the majority of PP's who are calling out for adoption/care. Please please please keep in mind, no matter how old OP's daughter is. The daughter has to be the one who decides if she wants to place her baby up adoption. Not her mother, not random people on Mumsnet, not doctors/clinicians/social workers. It has to be the daughters choice. She is the one that has to live with that choice and no one else. Therefore, it is only right that she has a full say on what she wants to do.

porridgeisbae · 24/10/2023 16:31

The daughter has to be the one who decides if she wants to place her baby up adoption. Not her mother,not random people on Mumsnet, not doctors /clinicians/ social workers.

Well of course professionals can also decide that unilaterally, if they think she isn't doing what she needs to do as a parent.

@Ithinkiminlimbo Have you spelled it out to her that if she leaves her child without an adult supervising to him, she risks losing the child? I mean, you shouldn't have to say it of course, but she doesn't seem to realize what's potentially at stake (assuming she cares.)

secular37 · 24/10/2023 16:41

That too @porridgeisbae and that's a whole other thread. But that is not the situation right now. If social services intervened and said that they would like to remove the baby and place it for adoption. Then that will be a different conversation.

Right now, it appears that OP's daughter is struggling being a parent, let alone a teen parent and there's posters on here suggesting adoption, as if they are plucking leaves from the trees. All in all, adoption can go bring it's owns challenges. But I stand my point, adoption should be the choice of the OP's daughter and no one else.

TUCKINGFYP0 · 24/10/2023 18:56

secular37 · 24/10/2023 16:11

To the PP'a saying that OP daughter will not get help from social services.

She will definitely, as she is under 19 years and is supposed to have one due to the age she fell pregnant.

To the majority of PP's who are calling out for adoption/care. Please please please keep in mind, no matter how old OP's daughter is. The daughter has to be the one who decides if she wants to place her baby up adoption. Not her mother, not random people on Mumsnet, not doctors/clinicians/social workers. It has to be the daughters choice. She is the one that has to live with that choice and no one else. Therefore, it is only right that she has a full say on what she wants to do.

I’m afraid that’s not how it works in the UK. Social services can ask the courts to make an order taking a child into care against the wishes of the parents. A child can also be adopted without parental consent - some are even removed at birth if the risk is high enough.

And the court will indeed rely on evidence and opinions from social workers and doctors.

The courts first priority is always the welfare of the child.

CHRIS003 · 24/10/2023 19:10

Basically you have a 15 year old - she is acting like a 15 year old !!
Except that this 15 year old is also a mum !
So now your household has a 10 month old baby too.
Most teenager's would need help speaking to officials organising things so this you should help her with arranging the childcare & grants for it etc.
You should agree to do her life admin just as you would if she didn't have a baby.
But make it clear to her that looking after the baby when she is at home is her job.
Explain that you are busy studying or working.
On the matter of child benefit - I don't think she can get it for her own baby if you are still getting it for her. I might be wrong about this.
Still this would be your role to help with the applications for any benefits etc as she is only 15. If she was 18, it would be different.
You provided clothes and formula for the baby etc, anything you buy for the baby in terms of food milk nappies should be factored into the amount you give to her go out with friends. For example, if baby needs a packet of nappies then she doesn't get money to go out with friends.

porridgeisbae · 24/10/2023 20:09

@CHRIS003 I assume she's 16 now if she's at college, not that that makes a cut and dried difference.

Most teenager's would need help speaking to officials organising things so this you should help her with arranging the childcare & grants for it etc.

Still this would be your role to help with the applications for any benefits etc

@Ithinkiminlimbo I think do any admin with her if you're going to do it- don't just do it yourself. Let her sit in and watch you do it, and fill in any bits she can. That way she's learning skills she's going to need.

The most worrying bit for me is the leaving the kid bit, of course.

Ithinkiminlimbo · 24/10/2023 23:25

Thanks to all those will support, advice and empathy, i appreciate it massively.

I read through all the messages, and i will dm those who offered when i can, so thank you for reaching out <3

She walked in 11pm last night and i left her to go to her room, and this morning she looked sheepish and i made sure baby was ok, he was, was fed and happy. I finish work in ten minutes so im going to go home and have an open and calm chat with her about how she feels and where her mind is at, and also she if she'd be happy with me scheduling an app to speak to a gp about talking therapy, and look into other avenues of help.

Ill try to add more details here;

dd has been assessed, has dyslexia and dyscalculia, no adhd or asd has been picked up and i dont suspect it. I suspect its low mood and that has caused low motivation etc, im sure a lot of us have been there.

Dd is on long term contraception, I suggest the coil was fitted, she also thought it was a good idea and had it placed and it has been great for her.

We had to move due to partners work, we had no choice, they're in the military

I am not in a new relationship, i am back with the father 2 youngest children. He took my eldest on when she was 1. Has always supported her, they get on great.

I understand she is overwhelmed and stressed, i really do, and i have an open door policy and don't get mad if any of my kids approach me with something, as i would rather they tell me than hide it. Yes i know she was hiding a pregnancy, but i really dont know wether that was intentional, or genuine.
I spoke to her about pregnancy and STIs, as i have with my other dc and about contraception, and that sex was illegal at her age and not advised but i cant exactly stalk her, and as far as i know they were never together alone on my property.

DD is now 16, and when he was born, was great, i shared a room with her and helped with night feeds, and luckily from a young age he has slept through the night so in that regard is an easy baby. She has a support worker that come every few weeks, went through with how to wind, change a nappy, domestic abuse signs, first aid etc, and she got on great with that and it really help.s

I wasn't aware of any further help available, so those who have mentioned other schemes, thank you so much, im going to look into those after i finish work today! Im also going to book dd an appointment to see someone about talking about her mental health and for any assessments that can be done to give her more access to facilities that can help her through this.

I am going to do her online paperwork, of course i am, as much as id like to be hard, i just cant and need to make sure that if college is something she wants, that its an option for her. Im calling the college today when i can to get the care to learn sorted.

Update:

Well its been a busy day, i came in from work and her support nurse was there. I brought up what happened and my plan to speak to the gp and social one to one with her, and she agreed it best and is contacting them for me. She also spoke to dd and she scored high on the anxiety and depression scale.
Gp appointment is made and her nicer friends came over for support and watched baby in my house for a while for her, whilst they chatted.

ill await to hear from ss and see what they say, and go from there.

We hugged and i told her i will always have her back and im not the enemy, and i love her.

OP posts:
porridgeisbae · 24/10/2023 23:36

Aww bless her I mean, it'd be difficult for anyone to find themselves in this situation at that age.

I hope she feels better soon OP. x

Hairyfairy01 · 25/10/2023 11:44

You sounds like a great mum to me, and with the right support your dd will get there.

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 26/10/2023 09:45

You sounds like a great mum to me, and with the right support your dd will get there.

This ^ what @Hairyfairy01 says - well done you for being so supportive, and good luck to all of you. It would be nice to get an update at some stage, but obviously you're going to be even more busy than usual!

rainbowstardrops · 26/10/2023 09:58

You sound like you're a wonderful mum. Your daughter and grandchild are so lucky to have your love and support Flowers

GoingDownLikeBHS · 27/10/2023 00:22

So now the nurse is reporting her to social services?

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 27/10/2023 08:11

GoingDownLikeBHS · 27/10/2023 00:22

So now the nurse is reporting her to social services?

That's not quite how I read it. Perhaps I'm wrong?

WonderfulKnickerz · 31/10/2023 07:00

Yes mother and baby unit accommodation wise. Tell social workers you are not coping with her and her lack of care for baby, you’re unable and unwilling to manage the situation so she will need to leave.

DaisyMaisyFaisy · 31/10/2023 11:51

How are things going OP?

curaçao · 31/10/2023 23:32

porridgeisbae · 24/10/2023 23:36

Aww bless her I mean, it'd be difficult for anyone to find themselves in this situation at that age.

I hope she feels better soon OP. x

She hasnt 'found' herself in a situation, she has put herself right there!

Lennon80 · 05/11/2023 21:38

You are going to have to go for special guardianship and accept the baby is now your responsibility I think. Reading this has reminded me when my daughter starts sniffing around boys I’ll be ensuring she’s on the pill. Really feel for you - sounds like you have way too much on your plate and I hope things get easier x

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