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Holding on to the end of the rope; life in the bunker with the Po Ts, where parenting a teen is having an adverse effect on our mental health

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Pegsinarow · 13/05/2019 08:31

With thanks to Billybagpuss for inspiration for the title and to Ticklingcheese and many other parents of teens who are emerging from the worst, or currently going through it, this is a support thread for parents who are being driven to despair by their teens. It is a continuation of this previous thread where many of us clubbed together to exchange experiences, possible strategies and understanding of what can be a very draining, isolating and distressing time for all!

Tin hats on everybody for round two! Smile

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billybagpuss · 27/05/2019 08:46

Argh can’t say right for saying wrong.

Dd2 is doing so much better this is the first exam session where I haven’t wanted to leave home so definitely progress. But this morning she’s grumbling that she’s put 10lbs on due to stress, I keep telling her that weight fluctuates and the exams will be over by Thursday and she’ll soon be regularly back to gym. Apparently it’s serious and I’m minimising it.

What she won’t take into her account is that I associate exam periods with her having bulimic tendencies and she probably hasn’t put on as much as she thinks as we’ve eaten quite a lot this weekend and her body hasn’t had time to process it yet.

mcmen71 · 27/05/2019 08:49

@staywithmemyblood that was so lovely off your dd.
I get those moments and always think what will she be looking for.
No bank holiday for me today live in roi
Dds go to school in NI so they are off.
Dd1 looking to go to bfs later but told her to do a couple jobs and study first and then her dad would leave her in afternoon.
I have my bh next monday and they are at school.

Pegsinarow · 27/05/2019 09:10

Ooohhhh Staywithmemyblood that is such a lovely post and one that will give everyone hope on here! Smile. 💕 🎆🎇🎊. It's so great to see "the glimmers"! Grin. As a pp so elegantly put it, little cameos like this, are "like the sun coming out" Smile

I've decided not to continue with the counselling for now (thanks for asking). I only had one session but (for many reasons too numerous to mention here) it didn't feel right somehow (and was horribly expensive!). I feel I have already analysed, cogitated and chewed over everything so much and now I want to be focused on action. In short, I am very clear about what I have to do to make me feel better, now I actually have to "do" it! So ADs perhaps are the way forward. Next step is to go and see someone who knows more about ADs than local gp who hands them out like sweets after a 3 min consultation saying "oh they are all pretty much the same" Confused. As someone who is severely anxious about taking them, this is not remotely reassuring! (Appreciate you keeping me updated about ads via pm Staywithmemyblood, thank you.)

Well done for being "hostess with the mostest" Grin. I also had a load of teens invading on Friday night but they didn't sleep over this time (thank heavens) and was fairly easy as just supplied them with pizza and left them alone to shriek. (Why do teen girls shriek so much?) I'm lucky in that DD is in a good group of girls who seem rather sensible compared to my friends at her age! I am definitely not cool mum though and never will be more like embarrassing old relic Grin

Lightandairy I'm intending to renovate a manky old greenhouse this summer too (ready for next spring). I don't know if you watched all the Chelsea coverage this year but they were wittering on a lot about the benefits of being in a green space and gardening for one's mental health. It's scientifically proven appatently! So I hope you and your DS tnoroughly enjoy your day pottering about among plants!

Fleet heart same here about teen years being harder than all those previously!

I hope drug talk proves useful to your ds. As pps say, are are definitely NOT a failure! And one day, your DS will come to appreciate you hanging in there for him X

Tarrara hope your DS is still doing ok without meds and you are still migraine-free.

Thanks Machinebee I'm mid-fifties and don't particularly wish to return to job I had before (tech has changed it) but I do have plans to return to work for myself which involve an architect converting a bit of our house so not immediately possible (stuck doing boring admin for dh's office in meantime) but working towards it ifyswim! (Well we are when architect not in hiding and refusing to take calls because he has taken on too many jobs at once. [ Sigh]). It's reassuring to know that - hopefully - dd's judgement of me will mellow with time. Especially if, God willing, I can make something of my last decade of working life!

Congrats on being a grandmother! Smile I can totally understand you wanting to enjoy and claim your ground as a doting grandmother not a child-minder to your dgd, especially while still being a Po T! And totally understandable you need a break in primary caring responsibilities! And I agree that working gives us a much-needed separate identity, unaligned to a caring role in any way. Like coming up for air!

Just going to post this before it disappears in to the ether and bbl to address question of fathers in a bit ;all of the responses on here so varied yet so true !

In the meantime enjoy your half term holiday/Bank holiday Mondays Po Ts! Chillax (as the yoof wouldn't say Grin).

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Pegsinarow · 27/05/2019 09:22

X post Billy how very dare you "minimise"! Wink Grin. Don't worry, we have all been there! Glad exams going relatively well for your DD and roll on Thursday!

Waves to McMen71 and to everyone else!

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Pegsinarow · 27/05/2019 10:08

Gosh - thank you for so many thought-provoking insights re: men and fatherhood.

Billybagpuss Grin @ "no shit Sherlock" Grin

That's so interesting about conditioning (of DC to not expect same level of emotional response from dads) and (I agree we are generalising massively) about compartmentalisation and fathers overall not feeling as much stress, their ability to remove themselves and to "retreat in to the man cave" (and God yes that's annoying!).

Spot on Fleetheart re: " I think as mothers our identity and aspirations are very tied up with being mothers. And when our children are in trouble we question our own identities and our own capabilities."

That's it isn't it? I personally don't know any father who takes the slings and arrows their teens throw at them quite so much to heart as their mothers do. (But maybe they do and just don't show it!? It would be good to have a man's perspective.)

I feel pretty sure (generalising again) that many men don't feel as much guilt over their home/work decisions as women, and over their parenting abilities in general. Or criticise themselves so much over perceived parenting "failures". And perhaps they don't follow their teens so far down the rabbit holes of angst as mothers?

Like Fleetheart says, when DD has been at her most difficult and combative, my dh also sees it as just "a difficult patch" to get through. Her rudeness definitely doesn't hit him in the solar plexus as it does with me , but he is overall more confident and rarely second guesses himself or his decisions.

And yes maybe, as Tarrara says, there is a bit of pack mentality going on here as well, and teens (feeling weak themselves) try and bolster their position by honing in on those they sense are the most vulnerable to wounding?

Tinkobell again that's so true about us not being able to open up enough about this stuff in rl, and so, as ever, it's good to be able to do so here Smile

I realise this is a contentious subject but I was either listening or reading (can't remember which!) a while back to a bloke who was taking female hormones. He described "feeling" as a women like looking at a horizon/landscape and seeing a mountain range with giant peaks and slopes, deep crenellations, contrasts in colour and light and shade right down to all the minute physical details of the tiny distant trees, lakes and streams. Then when he came off the female hormones and returned to being "male", he described the same horizon/landscape as being perfectly pleasant, more uniform in colour, just a bit more distant, with smoother, lower hills and slightly misty! So maybe we females inhabit a slightly richer emotional life overall which has its downsides of course, but also huge benefits too?

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Pegsinarow · 27/05/2019 11:06

Correction: Billy when I said below "glad exams going relatively well for your DD" I meant "exam season and attendant stresses" not exams themselves - which I am sure are doing very well indeed! Smile

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whattodofgs · 27/05/2019 13:02

Hi all, I haven't posted in awhile but still following the thread.

Thanks to all struggling. It really is a rollercoaster.

Dd has settled somewhat but still wants to be with the boyfriend all day every day. She is only year 10 (NI) so year 9 elsewhere but could be doing more schoolwork.

I am wondering if anybody else is having the same problem as us. We have no family holiday booked as Dd won't come and is refusing to go to stay with anybody but younger Ds is complaining about him getting no holiday because of her. He has a point but we can't make Dd go and we can't leave her (even though her older sister is 19) because she just couldn't be trusted. I am interested in any ideas to get round this.

mcmen71 · 27/05/2019 15:18

@whattodofgs could you ask your dd is there anywhere she would go with you on a holiday have her involved and she might come around to the idea. My dd1 will be 16 in July so I booked to go to Theatre in London and My ds is 11 in July so we will do Legoland with him while we are there. Only away 4 days but it keeps everyone happy.

NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 27/05/2019 20:49

Evening all. Can I join you? Just hiding in the shed reading this thread. That rope thing made me cry (after arguing with both teen DD’S) I thought I was over the worst at 18 and 17 but eldest just back from uni and now everyone hates everyone and all the bad behaviour is my fault apparently.
Problem is, as you all know is that they seem to have just the nack of making you doubt your parenting- maybe it is my fault.
Doesn’t help that I’m explosive as well when verbally attacked. I read your calm, funny answers and think ‘yes, that’s what I should do’ but I get caught up in it. I think I’m peri menopausal as well as I don’t feel like myself. Ahhh, feels like shit right now. All you fab mums telling them you love them regardless and I just want to run away!

Pegsinarow · 28/05/2019 07:18

Good morning Po Ts!

Welcome Naturalblonde Hope you are ok (and out of the shed now Grin!). Everything you posted sounds so familiar Flowers. If you look at our first thread linked on here in the op, you will find a very helpful post from Daintytoes 7/04, 23:06 explaining an "ideal" communication model which has really helped me keep my temper and improve my exchanges with DD etc.

Hi Whattodofgds! That's a difficult one about holidays! I think McMen's "bribery" idea is good, as I doubt it's one you can win by any other means!

Waves to McMen and to everyone else!

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BigSandyBalls2015 · 28/05/2019 09:33

Morning all. This is such a useful thread when things are feeling tough ... it’s nice to know we’re not alone.

I’ve often wondered if a lot of teen problems these days are caused/exacerbated by technology. DD is moody, sullen, completely unmotivated unless it’s out drinking/smoking with mates and at times downright rude. Very hard to get her to do anything around the house, just lays in her scruffy room staring at laptop/phone. We limited use until after her GCSEs (no tech upstairs at night), but she’s now 18 and you can’t ‘control’ an adult like that.

However! This bank hol weekend we were away with two other couples and their teens (DD happy to go, she loves these people and have grown up with them) ..... THERE WAS NO WIFI GrinWink. None of them had unlimited data on phones so they were soon flung to one side and I honestly got my girl back for a couple of days.

The transformation was astonishing ... funny, chatty, helping us do stuff .... even asking if she could help? I could have cried.
All the parents agreed how different their teens were, although I think most are better at self regulating at home.

I did chat to her in the car on the way home about how I had seen a dramatic difference in her and most importantly how much happier she seemed. This was met with a grunt and an eye roll but I hope she thinks about it.

Within minutes of getting home she was holed up in her pit again until the early hours. Christ knows what they’re all looking at all night, she’s too old for me to be checking but her mental health is def affected by tech.

I’m not sure what I do about this now, other than keep reminding her of the change in her. She was a nightmare to get out of bed this morning (a level revision at school).

Hope today is a better one with all your teens.

Tinkobell · 28/05/2019 20:11

@Sandyballs....yes we have a major tech addiction going on here esp with DS16, we have to limit it. I agree that it's really damaging to well being in pretty much every way. Nice to hear you had a lovely weekend.
@whattodofgs - book your holiday and see if you can get a relative to come and house sit your DD while you are away....try not to let her pull all the strings - most people really need their holidays!
Life for us took a bit of bad turn this weekend. I went to see my old Dad whose undergoing chemo; trip went fine. Whilst gone, DH 49 went for an eye test and returned with a diagnosis of dry macular degeneration...early stages; the disease can cause severe sight loss. Shellshocked. Went to GP, bought him a ton of vits which might keep it at bay and he's off to see a specialist in London in a few weeks. Trying to be optimistic and not catastrophise but it's quite hard. DD has agreed to more therapy sessions so that's good news. I'm not enjoying this period of my life at all folks and appreciate the kindness on this thread that we give each other. I'm seeing some mums tomorrow but honestly I don't feel I can begin to share my misfit life when everyone else's feels do perfect. Sorry, I'm feeling sorry for myself. Have changed all bed sheets today....so that'll be a small pleasure to enjoy tonight.

mcmen71 · 28/05/2019 21:46

tinkobell thats so sad about your dh and your dad
Hope all goes well for them
Big hugs to you and enjoy the fresh sheets.☺

notontopofthings · 29/05/2019 07:09

NaturalBlonde DD has finished uni, but the lease on her flat doesn't end until Sept. She came home at the weekend and despite having really grown up over the last couple of years, regressed massively into a stroppy teen (why have we got this car, only FAT PEOPLE have cars like this, I want to go to x - posh - restaurant. Why do I NEVER get what I want.) DH responded by getting annoyed. It was depressing.

Tinko un MN hugs for you, that sounds like your crap quota is overflowing.

Happyinheels · 29/05/2019 07:31

Morning everyone, I've just stumbled across this thread by accident. Reading it has really been emotional and very raw.

My DD is 15, has been self harming for nearly 3 years. Her dad had an affair, which was like a bomb going off in the middle of our family. My mum died and my marriage completely broke down. DD has a very complicated and strained relationship with her dad. He is very controlling and manipulative. We don't speak as he is controlling and basically a nightmare.

She has a Camhs worker whose input is sporadic. Things have escalated so much that yesterday she had an appointment with the psychiatrist and she has been prescribed medication. While we've been waiting for this appointment I was dead against meds in my mind. She's only 15. But the deterioration over the past few weeks has been massive. She has broken up with her boyfriend, they've been together for about 1.5yrs. He was there through all the breakdown and fall out of the divorce and various other situations. Our relationship which is usually great is strained, she is uncommunicative, withdrawn... stressed, anxious, angry, unable to cope with the smallest thing, flips like a switch. And she is struggling. She's doing her GCSES and just isn't bothered in the slightest about them. She's always been focused at school but she just doesn't care right now.

So today she starts medication which will be upped to a full dose in a few weeks time. The doctor warned that initially she is likely to feel worse than she's ever felt and that this is a real side effect and her self harming and suicidal thoughts could be magnified.

How did things get so bad? How did it get to this point? I can't help her. I can't break through the walls. I can't make this ok for her. I can't fix this. And as her mum I feel like a massive failure. I feel devastated that she's 15 and on meds. I feel devastated that the fall out from mine and her dads relationship has caused this. I should have just stayed.

Everyday I just put my head down and face the storm and battle my way through it.

8FencingWire · 29/05/2019 07:38

Found you!!!
I’ll catch up properly with the thread when I get back from work :) but mine decided to stay at her Dad’s this half term because he doesn’t have any curfews/boundaries etc. So I drove her back there. 😳

Pegsinarow · 29/05/2019 07:47

Good morning Po Ts!

Oh no Tinkobell Sad that's such rotten news re: your dh which must have come as such a shock to you both . I hope the London specialist can offer you good information and support. Flowers. It wouldn't be good news at the best of times, but it seems particularly unfair when you are already going through so much supporting your DD and your dad. Please, please look after yourself and try and make sure, if at all possible, you carve out some "me" time in the middle of the maelstrom Brew And keep posting through the tough bits X

Bigsandyballs I couldn't agree more about technology. I noticed the same transformation in DD several summers back when we instigated a "no phone week" one holiday and, just like your DD, she returned to being her former helpful, active, creative, funny, cheerful self. I think iirc that I also posed the same question in the first thread when I muttered aloud about whether teen hostility is exacerbated by constant phone use. Personally, I agree with you and think there is a definite correlation. I try to bear in mind that many of the features they have on a phone nowadays (alarm clock, timer, radio, music download facility, search facilities eg dictionary, encyclopedia and phone and messaging functions, etc etc) we all had in separate "versions" in our day and that it's far from a bad thing to be able to look up the line of a poem or the circumference of a planet and have the info in under 30 seconds! But I have no idea what this revolutionary change is doing to our mental and physical health and to our relationships, and I'm not sure anyone else does either tbh! It's the Wild West!

We do limit DC's phone use in the holidays and we've always insisted the phone stays downstairs to be charged at night but we've had endless battles over the latter rule. DD will be 16yrs this summer and as you say, it gets harder to impose these rules on them. Also, I am wary of being hypocritical when I use my own phone so much! Blush. For now I trot out the same line, "as long as you are finding it hard to self- regulate, then we are going to "help" you with it" which is usually guaranteed to produce a couple of eyerolls and a scowl! She did voluntarily give up her phone the other evening citing revision so I think the general message is getting through but I am not looking forward to the usual battles this summer ... .

Speaking of the summer, it's approaching fast, does anyone else have mixed feelings about it? On the one hand, I am looking forward to having time away, on the other hand, dd's moods were such last year, it put a real damper on things. We always used to have lovely fairly low-key holidays as a family and loads of relatives normally come to stay (which brings its own stresses) but I think we are going to have to do things differently this year but I don't know quite how!

Waves to McMen!

Hang in there everyone!

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Pegsinarow · 29/05/2019 08:13

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Hi Notontopofthings it sounds like your holiday rebellion has already started! [Hands over tin hat.]

Welcome to the thread Happyinheels Sorry you are going through such hellish times Flowers. You are NOT a failure; you are right in there supporting your DD. We can't stop outside circumstances affecting them, and we can't always fix things as easily for them as we did when they were little, but you are by her side, holding the rope in stormy seas, and that's what counts Flowers. And fwiw I suspect that you would have been doing her no favours long term by staying with an abusive and manipulative man. Rather, the opposite, you are teaching her important life lessons such as "true love does not look like this" and "in order to get to a better place, you sometimes have to be brave enough to initiate difficult actions and stick with it, even though the going is hard". She is lucky to have you Flowers. Please look after yourself as well as your dd. And I hope the ADs work well for her X

See you later Fencingwire!

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MachineBee · 29/05/2019 08:48

So sorry to hear about your DH Tinkobell. FWIW my Dad has had the same. It was caught early and he’s not lost any sight. It did involve regular injections into the eye for his treatment (your DHs May be different), but after a year he’s now on to six monthly check ups. So there is hope.

MachineBee · 29/05/2019 08:52

Happyinheels. I agree with Pegs that re staying. My marriage ended (as much as all the other reasons) when I realised what a poor role model I was providing for my DDs by allowing their DF to treat me like he did. It certainly wasn’t what I wanted for them but I felt only relief when I left. My DDs got cross with me about the silly stuff - like how inconvenient it was for them to have parents living in separate homes. But the big stuff was fine. And my youngest DD (15 at the time) was much less stressed from not having to live with a bully very much.

billybagpuss · 29/05/2019 11:48

@happyinheels Wishing you both all the best with DD starting the meds and I hope they work for her. It always worries me that the main side effect of taking ADs is Depression. Please don't worry about the GCSE's getting her well is the most important thing at the moment, schools can be very accommodating during times like this and she could perhaps repeat a year at some point.

But above all, please don't blame yourself, to my understanding this is not how depression and anxiety work. There may have been triggers from your marriage breakdown but thats all, mental health issues are a disease and it is not your fault. Having spent many months and years blaming myself it is only as DD has started to heal and with the massive help from the ladies on this thread that I have come to realise it wasn't me, sure there may have been small things I could have done differently but by and large I don't think changing things would have made any difference.

Tinkobell · 29/05/2019 11:49

@Happyinheels..... warm welcome to the Cadburys Mishapes club of real mums just trying to get through each bloody day! Ask yourself this, could you really have stayed with a DH that made you and others abjectly miserable? Would there ever have been a good time to leave? Why should you be the one to blame, sounds like your DH is the problem not you. Someone is always going to get hurt.
GCSE's can be resat. A Levels can be resat. Lives can be got back on track once life events have settled. It's not perfect, but hey, that's life. I'm rapidly learning that! This last two years, we've had a brain tumour death, 2 dead pets, a current case of cancer, two knackered knees, a botched fibroids op, a case of depression, hormone treatment for delay, a relationship breakdown, a financial loss due to a bankruptcy oh and now an illness that can lead to blindness....though I'm trying to not panic about that one right now! I'm sure life could get measurably shitter but I'm hanging on. Make your DD a coffee, go sit with her and chat. I'm not saying it will make it all better but probably pressure would be totally the wrong thing right now. Tell her you're dead proud of her and what a nice, kind and beautiful person she is.......We all here for you!

MachineBee · 29/05/2019 11:54

Cadbury Mishapes club of Mums 😂😂😂😂

Ticklingcheese · 29/05/2019 12:25

Hi all 😀

happyinheels when my ds started meds, I spend so much (all my time) watching him, he even slept on a mattress in our bedroom. I was scared senseless of the side effects. You hear the worst stories, hopefully you are not as anxious as I am, but please keep an eye on her. On the good side, they did work, slowly (i think they say 4-8 weeks) didn't notice them making things worse.
Best of luck.

Parsley65 · 29/05/2019 13:52

Hello Everyone,

I'm an occasional contributor, but avid reader and sending out good wishes to all parents of teens.

Just wanted to chip in happyinheels to say that my DD - just 16, has been on AD's for over a year following diagnosis of depression/anxiety and regular self harming. She is on citalopram.

For the first year she had weekly appointments with a CAMHS psychologist, which was very useful, but eventually DD said it wasn't enough and that she couldn't fight it on her own any more and needed AD's.

Despite my initial concern I will now say that they have been very, very helpful. She hasn't cut herself for months and is actually thinking about the future - though has missed so much school that I'm not expecting much from GCSE's, which she is in the middle of.
Apart from the blip of the exams (which have been incredibly stressful) I would almost say that there is a 90% improvement. It takes a few weeks, so please hang in there and take heart.

At the beginning of all of this I confess to feeling ashamed to speak about my 'failure' as a Mother as my DD had MH problems and was on AD's. Now I am happy to talk about it to everyone and accept that all is very definitely not rosy in our world Flowers