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DD 15 cut off her hair tonight

131 replies

Serehawk · 25/08/2017 05:34

I want to give some quick background. DD15 has said that she was trans for the last month or two. I have wrote another thread in that section about this issue. The big thing with her being trans is that the idea usually stems around a boy named Jack. She seems to use being trans as a way to be different because other than being asked why she is trans she says she feels like a boy. She never refers to herself as a boy only as trans. From what I have experienced females who are trans do not refer to themselves that way. They say they are a boy or male; not trans. (Saying she is trans and Jack come into play about her hair in a bit)

We are in the USA.

Okay, DP and I went for a night out tonight. We left DD home alone as she has done this before. We are on our way home when I get a phone call from DD. She is crying and calls me mommy. She only calls me that when something is wrong, she has done something, or she is hurt.

Me: Whats wrong?
DD: Your going to hate me:
Me: What did you do?
DD: I cut off my hair.
Me: WHAT?
DD: Crying.
Me: Why?
DD: Many reasons (crying still)
Me: Start talking.
DD: It's a trans thing. (Notice doesn't say she is a boy)
Me: What else?
DD: I want it short. (Okay I understand that)
Me: What is the real reason? ( I ask this because when answering the other two she seemed like she was holding back)
DD: I don't want to be normal I want to be different. (Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.)
Me: Your hair was beautiful how it was.
DD: I knew you would say that. (crying louder)
Me: Why didn't you wait? I would've taken you to Teresa's(how hairdresser).
DD: Because if I waited I wouldn't have done it.
Me: Do you regret it?
DD: No I love it(She is crying really loud into the phone)
Me: Why are you crying?
DD: Because I did it.

When we get home she is told that there are consequences to what she has done. I do emphasize that she is in trouble because of cutting it behind our backs when we were out NOT because she wanted it short.

So I take her phone and her truck(She can drive to school in the USA). I make her unlock and take all passcodes off her phone. I begin going thru her messages.

Low and behold, I find what I thought I would find. Here is how the message went.
DD: I want to cut my hair
Jack:(friend from other thread) coughcutyourhairthen
DD: coughiwillwhenseventeenoreighteen
Jack: coughdoitthisyear
DD: coughwhen
Jack: coughdoittonight

There are a could pics of her long hair. Then.
DD: Video chat me. I will only do it that way so I don't chicken out.

Video chat call then a pic of her short hair.

This is not the first time Jack has told her to do things. Last year he tried to control her with late night calls and suicide threats if she didn't answer.

I don't know what to do. Right now she is not allowed any contact with Jack has I have her phone.

She has been told that when she gets it back she is not to lock her phone and I will be reading messages. If I see messages from or to Jack that I don't like there will be no more contact with him. (I have threatened to make her go to a flip phone, she hates them m ore that anything) If she deletes messages, pics, vids or anything then she looses her phone all together.

What else can I do to get thru to her? MAke her see that Jack isn't great. That she is great just how she is.

She thinks that her home cut looks great and it doesn't need fixed at all.

OP posts:
Cavender · 25/08/2017 13:46

She shouldn't be posting pictures of herself online with public settings. And yes you posting it is entirely different.

I think her relationship with Jack is a real concern. That's the issue I'd seek to address, not the hair.

I also am a bit concerned that you don't appear see your high school aged daughter as an individual in her own right. She should have reasonable control over her image as much as she should have reasonable control of her hair.

Cavender · 25/08/2017 13:47

Dear Lord! She's sending an adult nude pictures of herself and you are online complaining about her hair?

ShockAngrySad

LIZS · 25/08/2017 13:48

You need to report it to police/authorities. It must be an offence to elicit sexual images from a minor. You have her phone and evidence. It doesn't sound like a healthy relationship at all.

WhittlingIhopMonkey · 25/08/2017 13:50

A 14 year old being groomed by a 19 year into sending naked pictures is sexual abuse.

She is a victim of a crime.

Forget her fucking hair and call the fucking cops for Christ sake

Batteriesallgone · 25/08/2017 13:55

Why would she get in trouble? Is that right? are you sure in a situation like this the police would see her as committing a crime?

BertrandRussell · 25/08/2017 14:04

Dear Lord- why have you not involved the police? She is being groomed by an adult.

PacificDogwod · 25/08/2017 14:05

Inform the police.

Do it today.

Get your DD professional help.

PacificDogwod · 25/08/2017 14:07

And I don't mean to tidy up her hair btw...

She needs serious help to improve her self-esteem, her understanding what posting pictures of her self means, what 'grooming' is and how she is endangering her entire future here.

You MUST be on her side, she must see you as being on her side.
Do not fall out with her, do not rise to any kind of bait, be on her side whatever the future holds.

Inform the police.
This is serious stuff.

misdee · 25/08/2017 14:09

At 14 my asd teenager has short cropped hair. Her choice. Atm it's blue as it's the holidays.

The relationship with Jack needs sorting. You need to take the phone and photos to the police. Not worry about the length of her hair.

Scabetty · 25/08/2017 14:12

Involve the cops as Jack is controlling her.

blankface · 25/08/2017 14:12

Serehawk, your daughter is being groomed - do you call it that in the US?
It's where an adult lulls a child into a false sense of security, worms their way into the child's confidence, then slowly starts to ask them to do more and more adult things. It's a very long process and the groomers can sometimes even gain the trust of the wider family as well.
Your daughter won't have noticed how controlling he is because he has very very slowly worn down her boundaries and has made her think that what he is asking/telling her to do is normal. She is innocent here, he is guilty and should be dealt with.

Please find out as much as you can about it, screenshot all of his messages asking her to send the photos, even if there are several years of them, then see what you can do about having him prosecuted.

LorLorr2 · 25/08/2017 14:13

It sounds like a tricky situation for you OP but I'm sure you will come out the other side together. This Jack sounds like a right troublemaker and should know better seeing as he's nearly 19. He probably makes your daughter feel special and wanted. It almost sounds like he's grooming her. Does she have many friends offline?

Youcanttaketheskyfromme · 25/08/2017 14:16

Your daughter is being groomed and you are worried about her hair ?!? Shock

You need to call the police. What he's doing is illegal. And he may well be doing it to others too.

ScarlettDarling · 25/08/2017 14:16

Op, I can't even begin to understand why you're seeing your daughter's hair as a problem when she's been sending nude pictures to an adult. Contact the police then confiscate her phone and other devices.

BlueDecor · 25/08/2017 14:28

I'd report this to your local Police department. This seems to be manipulation of a minor. For all you know this Jack could be some fat sweaty fifty year old sat in a grotty bedsit with his flies undone. If he can get your daughter to cut off her long beautiful hair on a video call then what else can he get her to do on camera? Why would he want/ encourage your teenage daughter to look like a teenage boy? Adolescense can be a very confusing and vulnerable time especially for girls leaving them open to all kinds of predators who show an interest.
I'd think this through to its logical conclusion if I were you then put a big stop to it!

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 25/08/2017 14:29

Inform the police about the pictures, that's awful.

The problem is that your dd is being controlled by this idiot.

Serehawk · 25/08/2017 14:30

The reason about the hair first was that I didn't know about the pictures. They were found after she wen to bed.

I am not jumping at the police because here they have prosecuted children for sending nudes.

I am seeking legal advice. But i need to make sure i talk with her before. As i have been told i react to quickly. We need to preceed carefully so she doesnt get hurt further.

OP posts:
Ttbb · 25/08/2017 14:31

My main concern is that she's turning to fake transsexualism to feel different. Isn't there something else you could do? Move to a different country maybe?

BertrandRussell · 25/08/2017 14:31

"I am not jumping at the police because here they have prosecuted children for sending nudes"

To an adult? Are you sure?

PacificDogwod · 25/08/2017 14:32

here they have prosecuted children for sending nudes.

That is fucked up! Shock

I'd restrict her online access as much as I could until you had more legal advice.
What is she doing today?
At school??

AldiAisleOfCrap · 25/08/2017 14:33

Children under 16 in care need permission from their parents for hair cuts. It's perfectly normal to have parental permission before the age of 16.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 25/08/2017 14:35

They prosecute the child!!!!! What the actual fuck????

So people don't report and these fuckers get away with it, bloody brilliant.

titchy · 25/08/2017 15:03

Obviously being a UK site no-one can say how the police would view this, but although in the UK sending indecent photos of a minor is illegal, even if you are the minor in question, where a child has been obviously groomed, this would not apply.

If someone receives and distributes pictures the police are certainly interested - maybe that's what you mean by 'children have been prosecuted for sending nudes' - they're pics of someone else that they've been caught sending?

NotAgainYoda · 25/08/2017 15:15

If you have evidence that your child has been encouraged to commit suicide then that is a criminal offence AFAIK. Have the police been involved?

NotAgainYoda · 25/08/2017 15:15

Sorry, I missed the last page