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Teenage daughter pregnant. Disappointed, upset, angry WWYD?

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Downnotout · 18/11/2011 13:57

My 18yo DD has told us she is pregnant. She has just started a 2 year course which would have set her up for life.

Her BF of all of 4 months is in the forces and will be going to Afghanistan next year, although he says he will stand by her. She was on the contraceptive injection but was ill a few weeks ago, had lots of anti biotics and ended up having an operation. Somehow in amongst all that she managed to get pregnant.

I feel so disappointed. For her, for him, for us as a family. It isn't good news. She is living away at college, we have signed a lease on the house. She will have to leave college and the house and we will have to continue paying til next September for it. As well as next terms fees of £4000. We have been killing ourselves to pay for all this as it was her lifelong dream to do this course/ job and now it's all for nothing.

I think she has rose tinted glasses on about life with a pretty house and a cute baby gurgling away in the background. Join me here in shaking your heads and thinking about the reality of being alone with a baby, not having slept for weeks, your partner away at war and having to spend your last ten quid on a packet of pampers.

There is no way we can have her back living with us at home. Call me selfish, but I have brought three children up. My youngest is still only 9. Somewhere along the line me and DH were starting to think about having a bit more time to ourselves.

Yes she's 18, an adult. Old enough to make her own decisions. But I am filled with dread about it all. I am only too aware of the pitfalls, what might go wrong, if they split up etc. and I know she will need me to be there for her, to support her. But I just don't want it. I don't want the responsibility of it. I don't want to be tied to another baby and I wish so much that she wasn't throwing her life away and maybe ruining his. A baby is forever and at her age she has no concept of what that means.

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MollieO · 20/11/2011 23:29

Bit surprised that the recommendation here is to withdraw support because the OP's dd callled her a 'stupid bitch'. I assume there is a long back story that the OP has chosen not to post.

You sound incredibly resentful. It doesn't sound as if your dd got pregnant deliberately to spite you but your posts read as if that is what you think. 18 is very young. I imagine she is feeling scared and vulnerable and cannot deal with words she doesn't want to hear, therefore choosing to lash out.

The back story must be why you won't have her living back at home. Let's hope her bf's family are more supportive than you appear to be.

Downnotout · 20/11/2011 23:30

Oldlady I know I have your understanding. She is not that bright(dyslexic actually and really has to work harder than most) but very focused and determined.

But, yes, that really hurt.

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melodyangel · 20/11/2011 23:33

I got pregnant with my Ds at 18. I knew my wonderful mum felt very much the same way as you Downnotout not at all unkindly but with the knowledge that time and experience gives, she knew how hard it would be and how much I would be giving up.

Sorry but your DD sounds spoilt and childish and if she is truely wanting to be a mother she is going to have to grow up and quite frankly grow a pair! She needs to stand on her own two feet and if she is very lucky, as I was, she will have love and support from her family. You quite rightly have told her what you are willing and not willing to do.

As far as I can see you have loved her and supported her. You have set clear boundries in these new circumstances and far from being a stupid bitch as she described you have been firm, loyal and loving.

Sometimes we all need some tough love.

abbeylockhart · 20/11/2011 23:34

Who's paying for the wedding?

Albrecht · 20/11/2011 23:35

At 18, I thought I knew everything

This is why she called you that. You are trying to do the right thing by her, i.e. show her she has to be a grown up if she is going to have a baby. But its hard to grow up.

Have you gently pointed out that you were paying for all this so she could do the course, for her future? Not just because its her right to get your money?

I think you are doing the right thing, trying to keep the chanels of discussion open between everyone, good luck.

cazboldy · 20/11/2011 23:38

I got pg with my ds1 when i was 14.

(he is now 15) Can imagine what you must be feeling right now.... at the time i think i broke my dad's heart Sad

I think that your dd is taking the mickey expecting you to subsidise her until february, and if she is grown up enough to be a mother, then she needs to start thinking about just what that is going to entail..... however, perhaps you can hold off just for a few weeks until she has had the 12wk scan. That way you can all be sure that the pg is going to go ahead, and it will give them time to get their heads together and make some plans.

Fwiw i think you have reacted very well in the circumstances.

Best of luck xx

WhatsWrongWithYou · 20/11/2011 23:45

I'm puzzled as to why you feel this has happened 'as a result of her own actions.' Didn't her contraceptive fail due to anti-bs?

Don't know what the norm is these days, but I can't imagine many people use condoms as well as injections, when they feel they're in a steady relationship.

I have to say, at that age I was relying on condoms only, so I reckon it was pure luck that made me avoid getting pg - as it probably has been for most of us at some time in our lives.

Sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick - I do feel for you. It just seems harsh to be blaming her when it seems to me it wasn't her fault.

droves · 20/11/2011 23:46

She called you a stupid bitch ? Shock

I'd just let her get on with it , no money ect.

She's a spoiled brat , sorry op.

Downnotout · 20/11/2011 23:47

MollieO - Lusting after the unobtainable

Well of course there are 18 years of backstory and some, but very little, of it on here.
Resentful? Yes I do resent the fact that she is telling me how it is going to be, not asking, if we will continue to support her.

And before anyone jumps in there, I don't mean asking as in coming cap in hand saying please help me. I mean that, in our house, we tell the children that while they are in education we will support them but if they choose to leave education they must get a job and pay their way. Obviously this exceptional circumstances and DD will not be out on the streets at a moments notice.

But to be brief, DD ran off from her last A level course, went to live in a council flat with a druggie and pawned all her possessions. So the fact that she now thinks that she can continue in the lifestyle she is accustomed to because she is pregnant makes me feel a bit resentful.

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Downnotout · 20/11/2011 23:55

Abbeylockhart- thanks that made me laugh- much needed here!

Whatawrongwithyou- no, it's a mistake. She was warned by the doctors about the anti-bs. She was unlucky. Maybe foolish but mostly unlucky. Its an accident. It happens. It happened to me.

I ' m not blaming her for getting PG.

It's the rest of it that I'm upset about.

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WhatsWrongWithYou · 21/11/2011 00:01

I feel immensely sorry for this girl.

YourMotherClaus · 21/11/2011 00:18

When I got unexpectedly pregnant at 23 (ok, circs were very different but I was just starting out in life and having a whale of a time) I expected my parents to be disappointed.

I called my father in tears, not knowing what to do for the best and he went very quiet and then congratulated me, saying "a baby is a blessing."

He was right and for all the many mistakes he made raising me, I forgive him for giving me that moment of absolute clarity and support in a world of chaos.

Put out of your mind the regrets and disappointments for yourself and for her. This is happening. All you can do is be there for her, which I'm sure by your posts you will be. She is lucky to have you.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 21/11/2011 00:19

Bloody hell, some of you must have enormous washing lines to fit those judgey pants.

I wish to fuck people would read the thread before posting on a serious thread. It has been posted about 10 times why she can't continue the course she is on and if people had bothered to read the link they'd see why the DD coming home to live is not an option for the OP or the rest of the family and they would see exactly how much support this incredibly demaning/trying/frustrating little madam gets from her Mum. More than she'd get from most I can tell you.

Down - shaking my head with you :( I would be so disappointed for her and so bloody frustrated that it's one thing after another. Silver lining - this guy is the Dad and not the other fuckwit. She is so bloody 'entitled' isn't she :( I think you should tell her that she needs to go to the council and tell them she's now homeless and pregnant etc. and that you will not simply keep supporting her financially - that she has to start standing on her own two feet.

I feel for his Mum too :( She must be pulling her hair out.

How do you feel about them getting married in Feb?

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 21/11/2011 00:22

WWWY - do you? Why is that?

realhousewife · 21/11/2011 00:26

Ouch, that really must hurt. Hormones or no hormones. Those are strong words - do you argue like this lot? Regardless of that, I should tread carefully though, what you say now will have a massive effect on her, now and in the future.

I've met some very successful people who had their children very young - it might be a good thing for her, it may focus her mind on what's important - there are some advantages to starting a family young.

mrsruffallo · 21/11/2011 00:36

downotout- I would be very disappointed if this happened to my DD, and I think you have had hard time on this thread.

realhousewife · 21/11/2011 00:43

What happened with the druggie? She's not involved with drugs is she... has she shaken off her druggie friends?

How did she end up living with him - was it an act of defiance or was she gullible and vulnerable and taken in by him? Is the new BF any better - is he good to her?

I worry as well that her father wanted to cut off all money - is his reaction going to affect her adversely?

I think if I were preggers at 18 the last thing I would want is to live with my parents - does she actually want to live with you? But as a mother I would like nothing better for my daughter to live with me with her baby.

Sorry to be Mrs Twenty Questions...

IwanttobeShirleyValentine · 21/11/2011 00:55

I am shocked at some of the vicious replies on here.

Can you not see what this is?

With all rescpect to the OP ..... The OP is in a state of shock she says all this came out just the other day. She is on here letting rip the thoughts and emotions that running around her head as she tries to come to terms with this shock and maintain the calmest manner she can at home, as everyone else seems to be letting rip and tensions are running high!

The OP is venting and rightly so. Why is it so hard for some people to be supportive and show some compassion?

The OP sounds like a normal loving and caring mum, wanting her DC to grow up follwing their aspirations and being independent. This is a bit of a blow to her, she is upset and in shock.

I totally agree there are worse things that can happen than you 18yo DD coming home pregnant but not many of us would choose this route in the same situation as the OPs DD for our own DD would we?? really???

I would be gutted if my DD found herself in this situation just a few months after starting at something she had dreamed of for 9 years and soemthing I had put alot of effoer into helping her get there. Its a big change for everyone and a shock too.

Lots of parents start to look forward to regaining some "me" time and less responsibilty as ther DC grow up leave home and gain independence. They are not abandoning their DC, its a natural progression that comes with DC leaving home! You dont stop loving and worrying. OP may be worried that as 18yo is still fairly young to be a mum that her DD may reply very heavily on her for lots of help and child care.

I have no doubt in time the OP will come to terms with this news and life will move on and there will be much love and happiness. But for now she needs to work through the emotions and come to terms with the changes this is going to mean to her and her DDs life.

DP - I have no experience or much knowledge of paractical advice to pass on. Other than I am sure in time you will come to terms with this and there will be happiness and joy. You just need time to come to terms with this.

Rant away you need an outlet somewhere.

I know its not very mumsnetty but I am sending you a huge hug cos I think you damn well need it!

Schnarkle · 21/11/2011 00:59

OP is only getting a hard time on the thread because people are too lazy to read the thread properly and jumping in with their tuppence worth.

I can actually feel your anguish in your posts Downnotout. It's such a difficult position to find yourselves in. I would let calm reign for a week or two.

Let the news settle in for everyone. Give her the time and space to let the reality of this settle into her head. Then maybe call a meeting with the prospective parents and yourself and your DH to let them air their ideas and their plans for the future. Counting to a million in your head if needs be so as not to rise to her attempts to get you to argue.

I completely agree with you. She IS an adult and she needs now to step up and offer up some solutions. It's not up to you and your DH to solve this for her/them.

Jesus some people on this thread will still be babying their 40 year olds in the back bedrooms from the sounds of it.

Good luck Downnotout.

Jacksmania · 21/11/2011 01:00

What ChippingIn said.
Please, those of you new to the thread, read the thread. It really does help to have the full picture when giving advice.

realhousewife · 21/11/2011 01:25

I've read the thread now! Blush and my conclusion is this.

OP you've had some serious ups and downs with your daughter, your husband is furious with her and wants to cut her off and you are caught between them. What's done is done and you need to look at her future with her baby, and your futures as grandparents.

She is getting married, she is going to get a house from the army. It's not all bad. She has made some big decisions - the biggest you are ever going to make - to have a baby, to get married, and to find a place to live.

She is going to do these things, regardless of what you or your husband think. She is not asking for anything from you but financial support until February, when she's married. I'm sure you can manage that support, after February she will be independent from you and her life will change beyond recognition - let her enjoy it and give her your blessing.

I'm a bit surprised that she flew off the handle at you in the conversation where she was announcing these very important plans. What exactly happened?

BrawToken · 21/11/2011 01:39

Hugs. I really feel for you op, having read this thread. I was a young mum like you. My eldest daughter is 14 and I hope she doesn't follow in my footsteps. And if she does (I too have a much younger child) I will support her while wishing things could have been different. Hugs.

gingeroots · 21/11/2011 09:42

Downnotout - I think you're coping massively well and I agree with all that shirleyvalentine has said so well .
I would only add that your daughter's thoughts about staying where she is sound a little as though she's not facing up to the reality of the situation ,maybe even in denial ?

As has been said - give it a few weeks for the news to really sink in , I suppose I'm secretly hoping that your DD might still decide to end the pregnancy .
As others have said - could she have counselling ?

ZZZenAgain · 21/11/2011 10:28

good luck with everything downandout

Downnotout · 21/11/2011 10:38

Some really strong messages of support have been written on here overnight. For that I thank you all.

There is a bigger picture here, a huge backstory of 40 odd years. For those of you that can be bothered or are interested I will explain. Sorry this will be long:/

When mum fell pregnant with me, 3 rd child, in the 1960s, she was in her 40s. She was devastated. I was an unwanted mistake. The night I was born she walked for miles in the snow hoping I would be born dead or that she would somehow perish herself. They had to send out a search party to find her.

With a much older brother and sister who left home as soon as they could and my dad working away for all my childhood I was left with a mentally unstable seriously depressed mother who often could not drag herself out of bed. There was little food in the house and rarely any tea on the table, i remember being about 7 and learning to boil the kettle so I could eat SMASH potato or powdered chicken soup. When dad did come home there was a lot of shouting and mum would rip money up in front of him and throw it at him, he worked away to earn the money and she couldn't cope. Somewhere along the line I got it into my head that this was my fault. If I hadn't been born, dad wouldn't have to work so hard and mum wouldn't be so unhappy. But that was normal life to me, I had no concept of what " normal" family life was until I was older and went to friends houses after school. It was only then I realised that my life was different to other peoples.

I was exceptionally bright, school was my haven, books were my escape. As my o levels approached I was top 1% in the country. The pressure was huge. I ran away in the middle of my exams to be a model in Paris. I had worked part time, often missing school to pay my way and get the money to escape. I was reasonably successful, came back, worked in London, came home sometimes. Dad was semi retired by then and mum was better. They had some property and provided me with a flat so I had a base near them. For once mum showed an interest in me and would carry round magazines I was in so she could show anyone she met and say "that's my daughter".

Then I got pregnant. I found out when I was 5 months on and couldnt fit the dresses anymore. Mum and dad sold up, lock stock and barrel and moved away. Me and the father got a flat and tried to make it work. It didn't. I was a horrible, selfish person who thought she could have a baby and just go back to the life I had before. Which I did, dumping my baby with exBF mother for long periods so I could go off working and earning money, and carry on with my glamorous life.
What a useless mother I was!

Fast forward 3 years. I meet DH to be. I realise the error of my ways. Set up a proper family home and set about learning to be a decent mother. We marry and I get pregnant with DD1. Mum and Dad meanwhile divorce. Dad apologises to me because he said he never realised what my mother was like, he never had to spend time with her before?! I have mum come and live with us. She has sunk to a new level of depression. I become my mothers mother but with a new baby in the house and mum refusing to get help and again, taking it out on me, I can't cope. Again she leaves and moves hundreds of miles away and we have no contact for 10 years. dD1 has some health issues. We spend lots of time in hospital over the years. I get some therapy, learn I cannot change my mother and cannot allow the past to influence how I bring up my children.

I have DD2 and for the first time I feel I am mature enough and capable enough to enjoy being a mother. I also make contact with my own mum and while she has huge resentment against me and shows little interest in her grandchildren I am strong enough to accept it for what it is. Some things you just can't change.

Mum is diagnosed with cancer, which she recovered from and Alzheimer's which she won't. Dads heart starts to fail and I bring him to live with us so I could care for him until he died last year. Only then did I find the hundreds of press cuttings and photos and letters he had sent to family saying how proud he was of me. We never talked about it and I never knew he felt like that.

DD1 goes off the rails and runs off with the druggie boy. She wasn't into drugs. She felt she could save him. We get her back on track and into the aforementioned college. DD2 (9) starts having panic attacks and thinks every time someone leaves her something bad will happen.

You know the rest. There is a pattern here. I am terrified that I will turn into my mother. I am terrified DD1 is turning into me. I do know that sometimes the more support you give someone the more you enable them to carry on behaving in a selfish way. I am scared that this child will be another generation of a dysfunctional family.

There is a poem by Phillip Larkin called They F**k you up, your mum and dad. Google it if you don't know it. The words seem to be the story of my life.

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