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Am I the only one who thinks that black women and straight hair generally don't go well together?

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MrsThierryHenry · 25/07/2008 15:47

Yes, it's Friday afternoon idle timewasting chat time!

When I see a black woman (or man, for that matter) with straight hair, I just can't help thinking that 99% of the time some lovely curls would suit them SO much better. Compare this to this.

Now, okay, perhaps Beyonce's not the best example here, as she would look amazing even with no hair at all (the cow! ) but on the whole IMO black skin and straight hair is not a happy pudding.

Anyone else?

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QuintessentialShadows · 28/07/2008 23:33

Thanks, is it chocolate covered?

Maybe the So What was misplaced. Maybe the So What should have come with an elaboration.

It was not a "so what, what business is it of yours" - type of so what. The so what was in relation to the fact that people do whatever to look in certain ways because they think it is good.

But I am a very placid kind of person, so dont usually post to argue!

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TenaciousG · 28/07/2008 23:46

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MarsLady · 28/07/2008 23:48

I wear my hair shaven to a 5 o'clock shadow. It looks gorgeous! I keep meaning to grow it and have dreads but part way through the growing process I get bored and shave it.

I don't think that looking after afro hair is hard, expensive or painful.

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MrsThierryHenry · 28/07/2008 23:48

Hey Mag, you've written much more eloquently than me! Not fair - it's my thread! Stop sounding more intelligent! . I'd love to live in Brighton. But if I ever do I will never, ever venture near the Pelliroco Hotel unless that girl has had 5 babies and put on 20lbs.

Quinty: "nobody tweaks their hair to something worse than it was originally and goes 'wahey I look cool'. Oh-ho-ho-ho! Yes I have seen some utterly horrifically tweaked hair (on women of all colours) and yes I do believe that each woman thought she jolly well rocked.

The fact is, that most black women can't afford the expensive, natural-looking extensions. So I think it's a pity that they settle for second best rather than making the best of what they've already got. Wouldn't you agree?

As for the ongoing Beyonce situation, I'd bet you £100,000 that she was born with a fro as thick as a hedge. Just found this page.

Look at the texture of that hair! Now if that ain't a sista who's chemically straightened her fro, my name ain't Mrs Thierry Henry. (Hang on a minute...!) So her hair looks rough in that picture. But she STILL looks gorgeous. Cow.

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MarsLady · 28/07/2008 23:51

I started a birthday thread for you btw MTH but no one noticed. Sigh... so happy belated!

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QuintessentialShadows · 28/07/2008 23:53

I think hair is beautiful. Lack of hair is beautiful too. On the right person/persona.
Indian women with their long sleek hair looks beautiful, Black women with long sleek hair, or curly, or afro look beautiful, White women with long sleek or curly or even afro (I know one) look beautiful if it looks natural on them and suit their style in general. Short sleek stylish bops look glamorous on most, whatever ethnicity. But I know nothing of hair. Only that women are beautified by the right hair.

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slim22 · 28/07/2008 23:57

thought this was a wind up.

Apparently you are having a serious conversation here.

How sick.

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MrsThierryHenry · 28/07/2008 23:57

Tenacious, I heard of a UK lawyer who had an interview here and was told to get a 'proper' hairstyle (i.e. her fine, smart braids were considered unprofessional). She should've sued them.

I also think it's a pity that black women's hair has become politicised. I can totally understand why black women would want to do the harmful things they/we do to their hair; it would be so nice to have a wash and go style (like you, Mars!) and at least straightening makes it easier (in the short term) to handle. BUT the alternative options are all still high maintenance (unless you have the salary of Beyonce) and chemical treatments are bad, bad, bad for the hair.

It also irritates me when black men make political statements about what black women should do with their hair - they should try being a woman for a day before they open their mouths.

Mars, I know what you mean about dreads! I've been vacillating for years between wanting dreads - though my hair is almost shoulder-length so the issue for me is over permanence of the style. Can I really commit? Then every now and then (like today) I see a woman with fine dreads (fine in terms of thickness) looking absolutely fabulous and I think perhaps that's what I should do. And then I look at someone like Cassandra Wilson: here and think: but if I can't look like that, I'm not interested.

AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!! What's a girl to do?

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slim22 · 28/07/2008 23:58

How patronising and sick

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MrsThierryHenry · 29/07/2008 00:03

Slim22, if you've not bothered reading the whole thread, don't bother contributing.

Quinty, that was rather lovely!

Mars...ahhh, shucks! Thanks so much, I'll have a look for it, you schweedie pie xxx

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MrsThierryHenry · 29/07/2008 00:10

Yikes! Look at the photo of Vanessa Williams at the bottom of this page! I thought she'd always gone for the straight-haired look!

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TheMagnificent7 · 29/07/2008 00:24

Shall we all wait for Dim22 to catch up...

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thumbwitch · 29/07/2008 00:27

MrsTH - was a teensy bit at the OP but having read the thread not now.

I had a friend at college who straightened her hair and it always looked like a rigid helmet and not that good; but to be fair I don't know how good/bad it would have looked unstraightened.

OTOH, Halle Berry looks fab with straight, curly, white, black whatever hair

I also used to work with a white girl who had the equivalent of afro hair - afaik, she didn't have any mixed race origins, just this amazing hair - but she didn't straighten hers, just left it in a shortish afro cut (about 1 1/2" all round)

I think Latin men can get away with dreads and look dead sexy - but blond(e) dreads look dreadful.

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thumbwitch · 29/07/2008 00:27

GAH! just realised ghastly accidental pun in last post - SORRY

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TheMagnificent7 · 29/07/2008 00:28

Thanks for the eloquence tag, but I feel rather second place after Quint now. My humble apologies for reading you incorrectly.

Now, everybody. The Pelirocco. Don't be put of by the Fabulous girl at the desk. Look

Bagsy the Pin Up Room. See you all in the play room at 10. Oh, and the room service menu only provides porn and sex toys. No food.

How we doing there DimShady ? Ready to please stand up and apologise to them there poor black white blue green brown pink and lobster reds yet ? Or has the last train to the Kingdom Of Righteous Indignation left (stopping at PC World) with you in the best seat in the house ?

Your terrible prejudice has no place here. Now run along. There's a good poster

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TheMagnificent7 · 29/07/2008 00:39

Taxi for Slim 22. I bet you never read the instructions either.

So. People selling their children's hair. WTF is that all about. I didn't realise until a friend sold her daughters hair which was almost down to the floor.

I take it they use it in things like Beyonce's extensions ? Yyyeeeeuuuurrrgggghhhh.

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solo · 29/07/2008 00:39

Goodness! I love my curls and am always devastated when my hair goes straight after having my babies. My curls are starting to return now slightly, but because I've had none for a while I've got a 'straight' style...the slightest drizzle or sticky hot day and I get kinky frizz atm. My Dd's Daddy is half WI and Dd has soft, tight(in part)fair curls. I hope she loves them as much as I love mine when she's older.
I don't mind seeing black women with straight hair, but always think it doesn't look quite right when it's collar lengthish and doesn't move.

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TheMagnificent7 · 29/07/2008 00:46

Hey, it can work

Let Martin Lawrence show you how.

And forgot earlier - TenaciousG - What do you make of the article you posted. Honest opinion (and I saw how honest that'll be earlier, sorry )

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TheMagnificent7 · 29/07/2008 00:47

I obiously meant the Wayan Brothers. Time for bed...

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TenaciousG · 29/07/2008 01:02

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slim22 · 29/07/2008 02:09

very OP.

I did read the whole post and think some posters are hiding behind "witty" remarks.

I guess different strokes for different folks. I definitely don't share this sense of humour.

Actually I find no humour at all in most comments.

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slim22 · 29/07/2008 02:11

hiding racist attitude

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TheMagnificent7 · 29/07/2008 02:49

I reckon you let the media run away with your prejudices. But then again I would .

The article only relates to the first part of the speech, and gives no detail of what followed. Whether they considered national dress appropriate, or veils, or, and this is important as it's real life not media spin, whether the chaps could havve beards or moustaches. Andersen consulting, Arthur Andersen, and IBM always used to insist on pictures with every job application, and had a policy of no facial hair on anyone (girls too). There reasons were exactly the same as the afro comment, so is not in a anyway linked to institutional racism. similarly here recently, the veil question was not racial.

The article may have been totally accurate, and a person from the company may have just stood up, said 'No Fro' Bro's' (did you like that ? It was funny and imitating what I assume to be a white person which I shouldn't making an innapropriate comment designed to ingratiate but totally being fly for a white guy) and sat back down again. But the talk was on appropriate office attire and looks, and many big firms are very strict on this. The article is written to stir the racial element.

I thought the politcal hairstyle comment was bollocks obviously. 'Hello. I'd like a Widdecombe please. Got a meeting with the Sultan of Brunei at 2'

The media phrases we all get to use everyday, credit crunch, Y2K bug, knife crime in London, are mainly spun to make them sound worse than they are because that sells news. I can't imagine sitting in a big meeting with someone with an Afro, or a veil, or not wearing a suit, or smelling. Doesn't make me a racist though. It's just business snobbery.

I think there's a lot of people on here, out there, everywhere, that have been told they must apologise until they turn black them selves if they so much as formulate an inkling of a thought about a colour, then immediately sacrifice their first born to give the poor liddle ethnic minority a helping hand because they can't help themselvs. How patronising is that. It's like talking loudly at someone with a disability, even if it's that they're blind. Nobody shouts much about LGBT (sorry, wanky government acronym for Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transexual) rights still except that nice Peter bloke who keeps lobbing eggs at the Bishop of Barthen Wells. And you can't be ageist in employment now. So look out for senile delinquents in Footlocker helping slowly, nonchalantly, and probably smelling a bit like wee.

If you go through a list of what the government would class as a list of all ethnic minorities (and please tell me you all try and invent your own - I'm Richmond Sunset. Just think of a Dulux chart, they'll write down anything) you'll see the attention to detail, the time and effort, the exhausting list. This makes everyone concentrate on colour and race, and leads to impressions of institutionalised racism. which again is a bit of a nobrain comment invented by the media (the individuals with power can be racist, but not the institution). Certainly with regards to employment, the job should always go to the person that can do the job the best. It's pure madness to give a job to a woman, or or a BME, over a white person that is better. That's straight up, pure, racism/sexism. I agree that it's fair to guarantee an interview to any disabled/person with special needs if they fit the criteria (that's within the public sector), but that does not guarantee them the job.

I can understand that social integration takes time, a lot of time, and I think America is streets ahead, but that's because they were forced to confront their slavery crimes (largely with slaves supplied by the English I'm afraid). Having confronted the problem, they all feel more at ease, in my opinion, and are moving away from the definitions of people by their race. Here in the UK we're under a different regime where people were invited into the country. Immigration has been a little higer coming in than going out (immigration, not asylum seeking) with a ratio of about 4:3 (old Cambridge Uni figures). Now there are lots of smaller communities trying to integrate, but having integration forced on them (you must do this, you musn't do that, you may cause offence) when left to their own devices they would fairly much thrive like America has (the world's greatest social experiment). The councils and government are really the people that form the basis of these race perceptions in everything they do. Hackney Council is a perfect example of what you would call institutionalised racism. They have a policy of guaranteeing work to companies that are owned by Black people (not Asian, White, Chinese, anyone), regardless of how many employees that company has from a Black background. Pure white hate some may say. The last very large census figures showed that in London the ethnic split is around 60% white, 16% Asian, 14% Black, and the rest of other origins. So largely the Asian community is ignored when developing these projects even though they are a larger minority, which again, is racist.

I don't believe for one second that people like Slim22 earlier, or any of the original posters, gave a moments thought to MrsThierryHenri being anything but white. And that in itself is racist. You've been told so many times to watch your step with regards to race, colour, beliefs etc, that if I told you white sheets had been banned because they may cause offence, you'd strip your beds immediately. Whites, Asians, Blacks, Far Eastern, Middle Eastern, wherever, they are equal. You may not, anymore, assume any of us are any colour, any race, any religion, any sex, anyone that is a LGBT. And if you do, and you base your answers on that assumption, you are exactly the sort of person all the enlightened people like me and MrsTH, Quint, etc are trying to educate. Just look at the person, don't believe everything you read, and don't give me a soapbox again, you''l be here all night.

Now I'm off to look for some pictures of John Shaft. Can you dig it ?

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TheMagnificent7 · 29/07/2008 02:50

Oh f**k. That's a huge post. You'll all think I'm a cock now.

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TheMagnificent7 · 29/07/2008 02:54

Slim - you;re mental. Go to bed. And I mean that in the sense of you don't think correctly and demonstrate paranoid tendencies. How dare you assume what colour we all are. Demonstrate one racist comment or leave us to talk about Anne Widdecombes hair.

You're saying obviously that...well what ?Who is racist. Who is hiding. Certainly there were some very incorrect assumptions that were racist, but racist in the assumption that MrsTH was white and therefore a target for vitriol similar to yours. Being White is still no crime, and as valid as being any other shade of human. You have no idea, unless they've told you, what colour anyone is on this post. Get over the colour thing. It's making you grumpy

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