Facelift etc..

[Stuckoncrossroads]

I’m looking to have face “refreshment” surgery in Nordesthetics Clinic in Lithuania. (lift,upper lid reduction and possibly brow lift) …i’m ( suddenly!) in late 50’s and after few tough years and losing few stones I want to feel good and reward myself for once.
I’m fatigued after researching uk options, and not finding a clear winner for me, but I’ve found this clinic to have excellent reviews and the least percentage of poor reviews so far … ( of those with 500 + reviews , except the one uk surgeon who charges from 35k for a facelift .. )…so I’ve decided to bite the bullet and book …any recommendations, advice or experience with them you can share, would be great , (first or second hand),most reviews I read were about great body surgery, and general high standards but not more specific about individual surgeons etc ..so, I don’t have nearly as much specific info as I would like …thank you !

Hi… thank you @blueshoes , I did go YESSSSSS!! 💃 ..and you’re right…it just felt a bit off..generic.. like I wasn’t ‘taken seriously’ , (he hardly looked at my face... more his notes..also,in the questionnaire about why I wanted the procedure, I said face aged fast after weight loss,he put “mental health” 😂 ..not that it matters much but ..wtf .. why you asking me then .. 😆)..

I’m sort of hoping maybe if I’m seen early February, and we agree what to do then, he could fit me into an earlier date/ cancellation,in either of his 2 locations..I just want to get this done now I’ve decided. …that’s awful @Gettingbysomehow was it the surgeon or general poor care/ infection etc ..? Thank you for this, East Grinstead is local to me .. I’ll definitely take a look … I was thinking more surgeons rather than locations…(hence I was open to other European countries …) but obviously that’s v important too.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts, I didn’t expect much response when I posted, but this has been really helpful and I feel I’m getting there .

@Stuckoncrossroads oh dear, the surgeon really wasn't listening to you at all. How alarming. Sounded like he was just ticking boxes on auto-pilot. It is not as if he was like a hairdresser who does not give you the cut you want. He is operating on your face! No no.

I am very interested in your feedback on the Feb consultation with Chris West.

Can I ask a favour. You seem to have honed your research technique. What do you think of Paul Tulley? He is mentioned in this article in the Sun of having given the editor a deep plane facelift and neck lift.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/33184900/clemmie-moodie-facelift-reveal/
www.paultulley.com/about/

Good luck Op , you do you .. hope it goes well

Hi.. I don’t know whether to start a new thread … but just wanted to touch base, and ask more question ! I have now agreed to go ahead with surgery which should be in about 2 months ( date tbc shortly), while the first surgeon I saw thought a mini facelift will do, my surgeon thinks a deep plane face & neck lift would achieve great results and I also wanted brow lift but am not sure about this part anymore … ( vs upper bleph)… I have many questions I forgot to ask …( will be seeing the surgeon again before the surgery).

Any experience or advice re brow lift or post deep plane face & neck lift would be appreciated… also… re Leeds Spire hospital , it’s got good reviews but I seem to remember someone on here warning against Spire, not sure whether that was specifically Leeds or not.

@WhoInvitedHer how are you doing, I think it maybe approaching a year since your surgery with the same surgeon? Did you stay overnight? I’m getting a bit … terrified 😬😊

Thank you !

People with chronic health conditions caused solely by poor lifestyle choices such as smoking and obesity cost the NHS far, far more than botched cosmetic surgery. Such chronic conditions require repeated hospital appointments too over years and years.

Do you lecture those people too?

I would love to have a facelift and I would go to Lithuania for it.
I know someone who went to Lithuania for a hip replacement as it was half the price of the uk. It was at a nord clinic

They do S2 nhs funding so people on long lists can apply to have their surgery paid for if the waiting list is too long here.
My dh is considering having gallbladder removal with them.

The surgeons at the Queen Vic are better.

@blueshoes
How is your research going? Sorry I missed your post, and the article link isn’t working anymore..I saw mixed reviews about the surgeon in your article,some amazing,but not many reviews overall ..
My consultation last week..very different from consultation with surgeon 1! I really liked him and happy to put my trust (&!face) in his hands, very pleasant and warm,and seemed to have clear vision & confidence in what he could achieve with full face/neck lift …(we didn’t talk much about brow lift though and I forgot to ask questions-it was pouring and I fell &almost got hit by a car on my way to the appointment so I was a bit shaken).

Hi OP, I’m sorry to hear you had a bit of a scare on your way to the appointment - that’s enough to put anyone off their game.

Can I just clarify - was your second appointment with Dr. Chris West from Coppergate?

Also, are you able to say how much you were quoted for the face& neck lift?

@whattheysay I’ve been looking to do the facelift at Nords initially too, I particularly heard great things about body aesthetic surgery from people first hand. ( super tempting!!), but because I didn’t have enough feedback specifically about facelifts, (and because it’s my face which I still like,unlike my body which I’ve given up on 😭😤), I decided to do it in the uk . Good luck to your husband ( I hear it’s also a good mini break destination if you go together), it’s great that they do S1 nhs funding, I didn’t know that, surely it’s a good thing they are approved.

Yes

I thought that by the time I got my late 50s I'd be very keen to have a facelift. As it turns out the desire has left me. I cant really pinpoint the reason.
I hope all goes well for you @Stuckoncrossroads 🌼

Totally agree.

and how does that turn out for you- do people listen when you lecture them and decide to change their ways? have you stopped anyone smoking or being obese?

I have a friend who had serious issues following an inner thigh lift abroad ... six months in bed with serious NHS interventions ... likely cost thousands. She says she would never go abroad for surgery again.

@Stuckoncrossroads thanks for asking. My research

I am too chicken to go overseas so staying in the UK but going north.

I am not considering London seriously because I want someone who specialises in facelifts. I reckon that unless I am prepared to pay celebrity rates in London (I am not), I am better off getting someone who has masses of practice on faces because their rates are more reasonable.

Thanks for checking out the reviews on the surgeon in the article. They are helpful and cements my approach.

I have an appointment booked with Chris West in May. His consultation list sure is long. I am guessing the one you had a better experience with is him and I am taking reassurance from that. Sorry to hear you almost got run over on your way to the clinic. I will try to look out for traffic on the day and bring an umbrella. I will be a wide-eyed day tripper from London for my consultation so lots of things could go wrong on my way to his clinic in York😁

I am also considering Adam Goodwin in Manchester. I have scheduled my consultation with him the day after Mr West. Mr Goodwin does informational videos on you tube for his patients and seems to have a lot of experience with facelifts. I like his straightforward style:
https://www.youtube.com/@adamgoodwinsurgery/videos

I had a video consultation with Mr Goodwin. He recommended a deep plane lower facelift and necklift and upper bleph. He did not think I needed a deep plane for the midface and can use a less invasive split technique to avoid the facial nerves. This is subject to the face-to-face consultation where I can see before/after photos of his work (he does not put it on SM due to privacy) and will also consider whether a lower bleph is needed. The procedures are under GA with an overnight stay in hospital. I should be able to have stitches out in 5 days and leave for London on the fifth day.

Eeks, it is getting quite real. I understand when you say you are getting terrified.

And?

Hiii!

I have now switched to Coppergate for the surgery and second consultation,I am looking at the available dates I was just given to choose from… soonest is early May- it is getting real indeed 😬

@MO0N yes, I get it, it’s so full-on physically, emotionally and financially, and easier to just opt out. I feel if I don’t do it very soon, I will get less&less bothered and might end up not doing it and regret it ( many say they regret not doing it sooner). …but looking at my tired-looking “Mounjaro-face” is demoralising me and making me feel old & not me 😤, I am not going down without a fight (I think 😂).

Hi @blueshoes
Yes, it’s C West, he is so cool and down to earth and makes you feel in good hands ( unlike Spire!), imo worth the 3 hour journey north! I feel the same about London, and wanting someone who specialises in facelift.

The York clinic is central (15 minute walk from the train station), so less chance to fall over while walking with an umbrella in one hand and Googlemaps in the other..I’ve been googling things to do to make it a fun trip on my pre op consultation ( probably in May too,If you spot a red polka dot umbrella, that’s me haha).

I will check Mr. Goodwin’s link - thank you 😊

Does anyone know if surgery costs in Coppergate are higher than in Spire for same procedure & surgeon?

I was quoted £17k for deep plane full face/necklift at Spire, and £5k for brow lift, (£22k including an overnight stay). Coppergate quoted £18k + 6k , no overnight stay. (I will do upper bleph though, not brow, that’s £2300). Someone here paid £16k last year, for the deep plane full facelift in Coppergate. Anyone with more figures?

@Stuckoncrossroads I thought it would be C.West 😁

When you ask Coppergate v Spire, are you referring to C.West's practising out of Coppergate v Spire? In other words, it is the same surgeon just different practice/hospital.

I presume Spire will use their own hospitals. Which hospital will Coppergate use? If it is GA, I believe it must be in a hospital. If it is local (which would be unusual for a deep plane), then it can be in an office/clinic setting which is cheaper because it does not include hospital charges or overnight stay.

My understanding from A.Goodwin is that Spire Manchester has recently increased their hospital prices and so he has moved to using another local hospital which is cheaper and thus able to keep his prices down. Not sure if it is the same with Spire Leeds that is why you are coming back with a higher quote.

I just saw your quote is cheaper at Spire. It depends on the procedures. Can you break it down? I know you did but I am not clear.

Yes, C West operates in both hospitals, I booked first consultation at Spire as the wait was much shorter at that time, but the subsequent admin etc was a bit shambolic, so I am now arranging with Coppergate, where the surgery also takes place in their operating theatre . Both under general anaesthesia, ( but there are different types of GA, Coppergate said their’s is more ‘modern’, and doesn’t require overnight stay, at Spire you stay overnight. I will have to ask DD about the anaesthesia ..).

The quotes I got:
-Spire Leeds : £17000 for deep plane full facelift ( incl neck, C West said he would remove enlarged glands as well and usually does some fat transfer during procedure apparently - tbc). Including overnight stay.

-Coppergate, same procedure, also dr West. today they quoted £17.995. No overnight stay, but they ask you to stay local overnight if you live more than ah hour away.

Plus upper eye lid surgery £2295.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15552705/amp/Katherine-Ryan-face-lift-Agent-Provocateur-racy-lingerie-husband-Bobby-Kootstra.html

She had it done recently at Coppergate Clinic, DP facelift cost is listed at their website as ‘from 16k’ , so I don’t know whether that’s where they got the figure from or what she actually paid .. normally it takes a bit longer for the final more natural end results apparently..

I personally wouldn’t have one unless it was guaranteed to be perfect. Gillian Taylforth (Kathy in Eastenders) has had a great one. I’ve seen too many which are rubbish.

Did she really need one? She’s not that old.