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Liberty Beauty Drop Subscription Box Spoiler Part 6

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Housewife2010 · 16/01/2024 19:42

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Topsyturvey10 · 13/02/2024 18:36

I've been in this from the start, can someone clarify for me when is the best time to cancel?
Am I correct in thinking the next box is due April so better to cancel later that month? That way I get the last box and can then use up my credit.
I'm perplexed by their emails 🤯

Boppertini · 13/02/2024 18:38

Yeah I’m out too. I’ve just cancelled. I enjoyed the boxes and scheme and I have definitely spent more with Liberty than I would’ve done without it - however it’s just not worth the gamble of £15 per box for me, they’ve been too much hit and miss.

Jellycats4life · 13/02/2024 18:41

The Liberty Beauty Team Insta account doesn’t normally get many comments, but the latest post has 41 so far. Every single one is negative.

Camdenish · 13/02/2024 18:43

It’s all too wooly for me @Topsyturvey10 . I’ve seen too many shops closing and their gift cards going with them to take a chance on waiting until April and have Libertys hold onto my money. And what if there is no Beauty Box, or it’s dreadful?

I wouldn’t mind some of the actual cardboard boxes though. I’ve been turning mine inside out and using for beautiful storage.

forcedfun · 13/02/2024 18:43

I'm a bit frustrated, if it was a couple of pounds a month I would have been ok with it. Equally if it had gone up to £25 a month but I got it all in vouchers I would have been ok, but this feels a bit pants. I think if they were planning to do this they should have gone with a couple of knock out boxes beforehand to keep me tempted. I loved using it as a savings account for an Xmas treat for myself but the boxes have been a bit hit and miss so thinking I might as well just save up in a cash account

cancandt123 · 13/02/2024 18:43

What is going on. I just emailed to say it's. A shoddy way to treat customers. Just got the following reply

Liberty Beauty Drop Subscription Box Spoiler Part 6
TragicMuse · 13/02/2024 18:44

I'm going to hold on till the next GWP, then spank the lot on Davines to get it! And if the Davines is out of stock I'll buy fabric.

I'm really disappointed though. I loved the little thrill each quarter, it's often arrived just as I really needed it (emotionally).

Gutted, really.

commonground · 13/02/2024 18:45

TBH the box has been a bit too eye-mask heavy for me, so not worth the extra fiver. It's a no from me too.

It's a shame as I definitely spend more at Liberty's because of the BD scheme - it means I get loyalty points which convert into vouchers which I then top up with money.

(I won't miss the advent calendar - the M&S one this year was sooo much better, really varied choice. Loved it.)

Johnnyfartpants · 13/02/2024 18:45

I get my hair cut there so I save the money for that, which means I will probably keep it tbh, but it does sting a bit!

Pootle40 · 13/02/2024 18:48

Not sure @OooScotland. I also only joined in December so happy to stick it out for a bit. I will see what April box is like and take it from there. I've done beauty subscriptions before and they weren't free and content was dire compared to Liberty one. On the basis they are luxury brands I don't mind £15 a box.

viques · 13/02/2024 18:48

Jellycats4life · 13/02/2024 18:29

You have a point, buuuut no matter how good value the boxes are, you just can’t compete with free.

They’ve really painted themselves into a corner.

I just wish I could figure out whether they’re doing this because, as a loss leader, it failed… or whether this is the beginning of the end of the entire scheme, because it REALLY failed.

I am not sure how it has failed financially to date . As far as I can make out most people save up their credit, which means that over 12 months or so for every thousand BD members Liberty has access to nearly £200,000 worth of free money to invest, get interest on, and use. Which then gets spent as real money! And I am pretty sure they had many more than a thousand members. Five thousand members would mean £1,000,000. Add to that the free publicity, additional spending, other offers through the year, it all adds up. I also bet that a lot of the credit is used for the Beauty Advent Calendar, which is probably quite heavily subsidised by the beauty houses whose products are included, so again a win for Liberty.

I think they have just got greedy and unfortunately for them it has clearly engendered a lot of negativity and ill will towards the brand.

it will be interesting to see how the Beauty Advent Calendar sells next year, there is now a lot of competition around for beauty calendars, and also how the Liberty Christmas finances add up without lots of us enjoying spending our credit on other Liberty items.

Twinsandsome · 13/02/2024 18:49

I’m out too. £60 is £60 at the end of the day which I would rather use for a proper treat I want and space nk often have better discounts and I can get 20% off cult with blue light so it was the matter of the credit that kept me in and the free boxes. They should have done it £5 per box service/postage cover but 8 out of 12 months sending them £5 seems strange and wrong x

forcedfun · 13/02/2024 18:50

viques · 13/02/2024 18:48

I am not sure how it has failed financially to date . As far as I can make out most people save up their credit, which means that over 12 months or so for every thousand BD members Liberty has access to nearly £200,000 worth of free money to invest, get interest on, and use. Which then gets spent as real money! And I am pretty sure they had many more than a thousand members. Five thousand members would mean £1,000,000. Add to that the free publicity, additional spending, other offers through the year, it all adds up. I also bet that a lot of the credit is used for the Beauty Advent Calendar, which is probably quite heavily subsidised by the beauty houses whose products are included, so again a win for Liberty.

I think they have just got greedy and unfortunately for them it has clearly engendered a lot of negativity and ill will towards the brand.

it will be interesting to see how the Beauty Advent Calendar sells next year, there is now a lot of competition around for beauty calendars, and also how the Liberty Christmas finances add up without lots of us enjoying spending our credit on other Liberty items.

Exactly. I discovered a lot of new products as a result of the scheme which I then purchased from liberty because I had the free postage.

Does anyone have any recommendations for other subscription boxes?

Camdenish · 13/02/2024 18:54

@Johnnyfartpants is Taylor and Taylor good now? I went to the original a few times when it first opened. The first cut was good but after that I was seriously unimpressed. I’ve been at Windle since then.

laclochette · 13/02/2024 19:01

@viques I think you'd be surprised at the cost of creating and dispatching the boxes. The postal costs alone will be very high, and the time and investment in getting the contents together, liaising with the supplier brands, procuring the packaging etc... at the moment we are getting all of that for free.

In the new scheme we are getting it for £15. It's not simply a question of "is that profitable at £15 per box and at what margin", but whether this very labour-intensive subscription programme is the most efficient way for Liberty to turn £15 of customers' money into revenue. I would imagine there are much easier ways for them to make money than this.

They will have increased cash flow with the monthly subs, yes, but these things are actually incredibly complicated to manage from a financial oversight and compliance perspective.

That leaves you arguing the case for such a scheme based on things like projected customer loyalty and increased annual spend, and brand-building. Again, there are probably more efficient ways for Liberty to build its brand, and marketing activities aimed at driving loyalty are notoriously ineffective.

Ultimately, many luxury brands like Liberty tend to be finding that they are better-off targeting the much wealthier 1% segment, who aren't that fussed about savings etc, rather than the more middle class "treating themselves" segments that may have been the bulk of their customer base in the past.

All in all, this isn't a programme that I'd have launched, as a marketer. I was absolutely delighted to partake in it as a consumer because it quite literally was too good to be true! The really dreadful thing is that they have caused more brand damage this way, by launching it and then pulling it, than if they had just never launched it in the first place.

SarahC50 · 13/02/2024 19:01

I've just cancelled and they've told me I am signed into a contract until April 1. This is wrong as I only restarted it in Dec. What a shower of shites a years contract but we will change the terms and cost and you are still signed in. Awful way to treat "valued"customers

Babysharkdoodoodood · 13/02/2024 19:07

Well I spent mine just now on a ds Durga perfume and Trish mcevoy mascara and cancelled.

Can't figure out how to take my card off the account 'just in case '

Lightenuppeople · 13/02/2024 19:08

3rd email has made me cancel. Last DD leaves next week so I’ll spend it then.

Disappointed but looking forward to potentially a different advent calendar this year.

I spent a lot with Liberty but this hasn’t felt very good tbh

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 13/02/2024 19:17

Babysharkdoodoodood · 13/02/2024 19:07

Well I spent mine just now on a ds Durga perfume and Trish mcevoy mascara and cancelled.

Can't figure out how to take my card off the account 'just in case '

They are often pretty responsive on WhatsApp ... perhaps try that way?

Johnnyfartpants · 13/02/2024 19:22

@Camdenish I rate it I have to say, never had a dud cut. I also get it coloured there. Go to Aude, she is Parisian and scarily chic but does a great cut.

Camdenish · 13/02/2024 19:29

Thanks @Johnnyfartpants thats good to know.

kenyaswhiterefrigerator · 13/02/2024 19:30

laclochette · 13/02/2024 19:01

@viques I think you'd be surprised at the cost of creating and dispatching the boxes. The postal costs alone will be very high, and the time and investment in getting the contents together, liaising with the supplier brands, procuring the packaging etc... at the moment we are getting all of that for free.

In the new scheme we are getting it for £15. It's not simply a question of "is that profitable at £15 per box and at what margin", but whether this very labour-intensive subscription programme is the most efficient way for Liberty to turn £15 of customers' money into revenue. I would imagine there are much easier ways for them to make money than this.

They will have increased cash flow with the monthly subs, yes, but these things are actually incredibly complicated to manage from a financial oversight and compliance perspective.

That leaves you arguing the case for such a scheme based on things like projected customer loyalty and increased annual spend, and brand-building. Again, there are probably more efficient ways for Liberty to build its brand, and marketing activities aimed at driving loyalty are notoriously ineffective.

Ultimately, many luxury brands like Liberty tend to be finding that they are better-off targeting the much wealthier 1% segment, who aren't that fussed about savings etc, rather than the more middle class "treating themselves" segments that may have been the bulk of their customer base in the past.

All in all, this isn't a programme that I'd have launched, as a marketer. I was absolutely delighted to partake in it as a consumer because it quite literally was too good to be true! The really dreadful thing is that they have caused more brand damage this way, by launching it and then pulling it, than if they had just never launched it in the first place.

Edited

Unless you work for Liberty, I do not want any defence of them.

It was a saving account with a shop rather than a bank. In return, instead of paying interest they gave a box of free samples four times a year.

Now you are paying to invest with them.

Camdenish · 13/02/2024 19:33

@Babysharkdoodoodood the only way I could remove my card was because I also had a lost debit card on the account. I made the list card my primary method of payment and I was able to delete the current debit card.

for some reason Liberty isn’t showing as a direct debit in my current account so I will have to contact my bank too.

laclochette · 13/02/2024 19:34

@kenyaswhiterefrigerator I'm not defending them: I am bringing to bear a decade's experience as a highly trained marketer working on some of the world's biggest brands, and this is my honest professional opinion. I think they've handled the whole thing incredibly badly and I've cancelled my subscription - AND have emailed to give them right of reply before reporting them to the Advertising Standards Authority for a misleading email!

I don't work for them, but they probably should hire me 🤣

Gensola · 13/02/2024 19:35

Since when was there a contract?!

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