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Gender Non-Conforming wardrobe...but still aesthetic?

107 replies

EverybodyJumpsuit · 27/10/2023 13:06

I need a thread of things that fit this style-

Two years ago I decided never to wear a dress or skirt again, which has actually been delightful. Also heels. IN THE BIN.

I'm very gender non-confirming, but havent translated that well into my clothes, and so had ended up super alienated from a lot of fashion, since huge amounts seems to be to be about playing up a version of woman-hood that I just don't belong in (looking at you instagram shiny face tit pout land). I want to look like the opposite of a Kardashian or one of the selling sunset broads.

For years I've lived in black mom jeans, boxy tees and mens jumpers, brogues, DM's, trainers, which is fine but very boring. But I actually love extreme dressing- Tilda Swinton and Roisin Murphy came up on another thread.

The brief I had was - un-approachable art gallery owner, does ju-jitsu, plays bass in a band. I'm gonna add, has MANY lovers (probably pansexual haha), probably speaks french and ancient egyption. Could defo be played by Tilda S. Pinch of Blake Lively in A Simple Favour...Jil Sander, Alexander McQueen...

Think massive brightly coloured floor length coats, big silhouette, Sharp masculine tailoring, volume in strange places, structure, architectural things, bold colour... nothing clingy or sweet.

I would love to know if anyone else likes this style, who they follow / style icons are for this, and what would this stye be called?

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tortoiseshellcats · 27/10/2023 23:23

What about different styles of shirts? I've seen dramatic ones in both male and female sections and I always think they look very androgenous. Or colorful boiler suits? They seem to be having a moment.

grumpycow1 · 27/10/2023 23:27

I don’t understand why wearing a dress would make me seem weak? I love grown up art school style. I wear a dress some days - what you’d call feminine and weak - others I wear trousers and shirt - always Dr Martens.

Check out Lucy and Yak trousers for a nice shape. I also like their Ragan jumpsuits with a roll neck under and my Docs.

Mariandel · 27/10/2023 23:29

I think this might be the sort of look the OP is after, although I'm puzzled what's "gender non conforming" about it.

Max Mara camel wide legged trousers
Max Mara Jacquard blazer
Max Mara biker jacket
Max Mara wide grey trousers

TheLongRider · 27/10/2023 23:29

Some Instagram accounts of stylish women that I follow.

The Elegant Stylist
My Style is my Brand
Polychrom3

Instagram

https://instagram.com/theelegantstylist?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

pizzaHeart · 27/10/2023 23:58

I don’t wear “figure hugging” dresses, heels or clothes that make me “ weak or feminine “.
I only went to ASOS website once a few years ago looking for a prom dress for DD.
It’s an interesting style you’ve described but it’s just a style, which you like and which suits you because of your colouring, shape, height, size and lifestyle, please don’t make a gender protest out of nothing. There are a lot of us out there who lives in jeans, don’t wear heels and sparkly dresses.

garlicandsapphires · 28/10/2023 07:17

figure hugging clothes or things designed to make one look weak and feminine.
this just makes me think of Beyoncé who is not exactly weak!
apart from this one poorly choosen word, I do know what you mean OP, I love a slightly masculine/ androgynous/ butch look and think this sort of look can be GNC. In reality clothes are not ‘just clothes’. Maybe they should be, but they’re not. I would like more loose fitting suits in my life, nice brogues, button up shirts, ties and waistcoats. Go to Pinterest is my advice.

Cigarettesandbooze · 28/10/2023 07:24

Amazing how insulting and casually misogynistic you can be with just a few ill chosen words. We get it OP, you’re not like the rest of us weak and helpless females who opt for skirts. You’re special and far more interesting. 🙄

Laska2Meryls · 28/10/2023 07:33

Oska?

Peggoty · 28/10/2023 07:35

Here's a couple of weak women in high heels and figure hugging dresses. Their politics are rubbish but weak? No.

Nicola Sturgeon
Kate Forbes
Kate Forbes 2

https://images.app.goo.gl/ac2B3zgk7ucoHNeRA

Nutellaonall · 28/10/2023 07:40

Some dark academia stuff might suit you also.

Mariandel · 28/10/2023 07:41

garlicandsapphires · 28/10/2023 07:17

figure hugging clothes or things designed to make one look weak and feminine.
this just makes me think of Beyoncé who is not exactly weak!
apart from this one poorly choosen word, I do know what you mean OP, I love a slightly masculine/ androgynous/ butch look and think this sort of look can be GNC. In reality clothes are not ‘just clothes’. Maybe they should be, but they’re not. I would like more loose fitting suits in my life, nice brogues, button up shirts, ties and waistcoats. Go to Pinterest is my advice.

Hmm, there were several poorly chosen words.

Laska2Meryls suggested Oska- that's a good call. I like Oska and I like the Max Mara outfits I posted. Whilst I think they fit the brief , it's not actually a brief as out there/ original as the OP seems to think it is.

BurbleBumleBleep · 28/10/2023 07:47

renthead · 27/10/2023 18:55

Women gender conforming clothes would be, dresses, skirts, probably figure hugging clothes or things designed to make one look weak and feminine.

Hmm

So you basically want to be a "cool girl", ie not like the other girls? It's sad to see the internalised misogyny here. Equating weak and feminine is just pathetic. And how in god's name are dresses and skirts "weak"? Kings, Roman emperors, powerful throughout the ages have worn versions of dresses and skirts FFS. By all means have your own style OP, but if you think it makes you somehow better than other women, you're sadly wrong.

This.

BurbleBumleBleep · 28/10/2023 07:56

I’m currently at an airport. Since I started reading this thread I have been watching what women are wearing. I’ve literally seen one woman in a dress and everyone else is wearing joggers or jeans and t shirt/ hoodie/ jumper. Unisex. No one is wearing make up either.

missmoon · 28/10/2023 07:57

thistimelastweek · 27/10/2023 19:37

Just to add, Frsn talked about her clothes and they are not cheap.
She shops in Savile Row

I love Fran, her clothes and her attitude! She does say in the documentary that it all comes from Saville Row, although I guess it’s possible to also do it on a budget?

Lentilweaver · 28/10/2023 08:00

BurbleBumleBleep · 28/10/2023 07:56

I’m currently at an airport. Since I started reading this thread I have been watching what women are wearing. I’ve literally seen one woman in a dress and everyone else is wearing joggers or jeans and t shirt/ hoodie/ jumper. Unisex. No one is wearing make up either.

Exactly. I am in London, and hardly anyone wears a dress. Everyone is wearing baggy, oversized trousers and hoodies with no makeup. Especially the young ones. I can't remember the last time I saw someone wearing heels.

ButtonSister · 28/10/2023 08:04

Cathi Rae on Instagram might be your thing

MrsRetriever · 28/10/2023 08:19

Mariandel · 27/10/2023 23:29

I think this might be the sort of look the OP is after, although I'm puzzled what's "gender non conforming" about it.

Max Mara camel wide legged trousers
Max Mara Jacquard blazer
Max Mara biker jacket
Max Mara wide grey trousers

The outfit in the last link is gorgeous

ErrolTheDragon · 28/10/2023 08:47

The outfit in the last link is gorgeous

The coat is, but the trousers are ridiculous. And they're definitely 'gendered' - I don't think I've ever seen a man modelling trousers puddled on the ground like that.

MaryBeardsShoes · 28/10/2023 08:51

Why do people always say “gender non-conforming” when they just mean trousers. Seems to me if you were really non conforming that you’d wear a range of clothes. Sometimes I wear loose boyfriend style jeans, oversized band t-shirts etc, sometimes I wear dresses and heels. There’s plenty of options out there, no need to try so hard to be different.

SirVixofVixHall · 28/10/2023 08:59

EverybodyJumpsuit · 27/10/2023 15:12

@Cappuccinfortwo

This is a really interesting nuance:

Women gender conforming clothes would be, dresses, skirts, probably figure hugging clothes or things designed to make one look weak and feminine. That's the broad cultural consensus on the performative gender of woman. If I go to Asos and click "women" that's a lot of what I see.

When I say "non gender conforming", I mean "not Woman conforming" (as capitalism is selling it back to me in fashion). It could mean performing masculinity though. I think women wearing masculine clothing is an awesome style.

Teasing out this distinction is super helpful for me because I think disliking clothes that fall into the first category (sort of hyper woman) has lead me to try and perform no gender, neutral I guess? Hence jeans tshirts "normal clothes" as you say.

But I'm realising that I miss performance in clothing- statement, drama, interest and I guess I'm trying to work out if I can re-inject that.

This could easily turn into a debate about gender conformation but Id really like to chat fashion instead :-)

This all seems very strange and regressive to me. You are definitely overthinking this OP. When I was a teenager all my male friends wore shedloads of makeup and kept Elnett in business, my female friends mostly had short hair and lived in Docs and large overcoats. We wore whatever we liked on any given day and didn’t question the “gender”of clothing.
Now I am in my fifties, most of the women I know don’t wear dresses day to day. This isn’t “gender neutral”, they are just clothes ! Clothes that work on a woman’s body vary according to individual shape, lifestyle and sensibility.
Lots of women don’t wear heels, or body con dresses.
I agree with the above comment on internalised misogyny. Wear what you enjoy wearing, the end.

Fleur405 · 28/10/2023 09:00

I’d also call this androgynous styling and immediately think of Kristen Stewart, Cara Delevigne and Harry Styles

Mariandel · 28/10/2023 09:08

ErrolTheDragon · 28/10/2023 08:47

The outfit in the last link is gorgeous

The coat is, but the trousers are ridiculous. And they're definitely 'gendered' - I don't think I've ever seen a man modelling trousers puddled on the ground like that.

It's a standard Harry Styles look

AnnaMagnani · 28/10/2023 09:17

The clothes from High are amazing and also completely out of my budget 😥

RampantIvy · 28/10/2023 09:19

Just wear what you like instead of dressing it up with wordy statements about yourself because you want to appear intellectually superior to women who wear skirts and dresses.

AnnaMagnani · 28/10/2023 09:20

Ah great news, loads of stuff from High on Vestiaire.

Bad bad news for my bank balance.