That's a bit bloody sexist, M&S!

[GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal]

Popped in earlier to collect an order, and the collection point is next to Menswear. On my way through I noticed they had some "Stormwear" jeans - water resistant ones. "What a good idea! I'll head down to womens wear next and see what styles they do them in."

The answer? None. At all. Loads of different styles of jeans, but no Stormwear ones. Checking the app reveals they actually only make them for men. Why? Do women not get wet in the rain? Do we just stay inside when it drizzles? Or are our menfolk supposed to gallantly be on hand to shelter us under their umbrella whenever it rains?

And before anyone says "well you you could just buy the mens ones", no I can't, because they don't come in a small enough size.

Why don't women get to have dry legs??!

The underwear adverts for women are shown on a woman in a pose, whereas the men's underpants are shown without someone in them

I can assure you it was. I did their graduate scheme and read every policy because there was no Internet access on the store computers in those days and I wanted something to do on quiet Sundays! There was even a coathanger policy.

This is what you're talking about @GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal :
www.marksandspencer.com/regular-fit-stretch-jeans-with-stormwear/p/clp22388937?color=BLACK
Nothing similar in the women's range:
www.marksandspencer.com/MSFindItemsByKeyword?searchTerm=stormwear&filter=Categories%3DSC_Level_1_1

How on earth have people read this thread and thinks is it a stealth boast about being skinny? Many adult human females will not fit into men's clothes. It is perfectly reasonable to want them in female sizes. Anyone that reads more into it has issues.

Agree. I’m a slim(ish) 8/10, short legs, long back, narrow shoulders, full bum. I find mens clothes entirely wrong on me. I always want a womens fit.

I'm basically boycotting m&s anyway after a pair of jeans I bought from them disintegrated within 6 months. But I was always wound up by their kids' clothing and their ridiculous gendered approach. Could not find anything for a girl that didn't have ruffles or cute pink slogans- and boys' stuff was always either dinosaurs or dark camouflage crap, as if they're being recruited to an at at age 2,5 🙄. Its a shame because the kid's pyjamas are really soft.

So this doesn't surprise me. I think they are mentally stuck in the 1960s

*as if they are recruited to an army at 2,5 years of age

I bought men’s m&s family Christmas matching pyjamas last year in LIVIDITY that the men’s had pockets and the women’s didn’t, for the same price. Turns out I’m a men’s medium.

Not only M&S - try buying warm waterproof girls coats/jackets without ears but with pockets. For my 3 daughters they’ve had boys coats/jackets for years and years. When they were toddlers it was particularly ridiculous. The girls ones are thin, no hood, rarely waterproof and often no pockets.

Yes, I shouldn't really be surprised. DD chose all her summer clothes from the boys section in M&S because the girls' stuff was all too pink and girly.

(I know we don't have to shop there, but we have limited choices for in-store shopping and DD has to try stuff on first as she's autistic and has some sensory issues)

twitter.com/womensart1/status/1571479617235726336

Their men's socks are way better than the women's too. I bought both men's and women's socks last winter and my toes went through the seams of the women's ones within a couple of months. Men's ones are still going strong.

😀OH all you trannies dressing in menswear! 😂

Now Mumsnet used to have a relationship with the M&S marketing department. A few years ago I had the most wonderful day up at M&S headquarters with some other lovely mumsnetters. We were asked to comment and feedback on a range of clothing and the store layout in general. The feedback from Mumsnetters was mostly natural fabrics!! It was a great day - fun, opinionated. It's mostly when I realised that my love of PerUna and that styling/colour/patterns was considered odd in adult world!!!

They also don't sell fleece lined joggers for women. The men's ones are amazing (I bought for my DH last Christmas) but too small in the hip for me. Women's ones would be great for this coming Cost if Living crisis winter.

I have winged on here about Primark too! The men's t shirts were better course than the wjmens. Though Spring and Summer I was hoping for bright, cheery colours but it was all dull dead burgundy and completely washed out pink! Dull, dull, dull! Meanwhile the men had bright blue, yellow, red etc. And it was ages before they got those padded coats and jackets in anything other than the dull dead burgundy, black or deep green. I know some people actually like these colours , but in summer I expected some colour!

Love this! Thank you for sharing @mandolinwind

You all need to get a life! I just buy jeans!

I dunno. When looking at the bigger picture, M&S offer 267 different types of jeans to women, but only 138 to men? So although they offer “stormwear jeans” only to men, there are over a 100 types of jeans offered to women but not men.

Im convinced it’s really the same 20 types of jeans for both sexes and the rest is just coming up with fake gendered names for marketing reasons. Stormwear is so obviously stereotypically manly, while Magic Shaping is so obviously stereotypically womanly.

Absolute nonsense. If you knew anything about fashion history you’d know that historically women always had pockets…big ones in their skirts…big enough to put a flint lock pistol into. It wasn’t until AFTER women got the vote that fashion designers and clothing companies disappeared pockets.
www.vam.ac.uk/articles/womens-tie-pockets

Happy not to have big pockets in jeans. Prefer a sleek look and a decent bag. Who used jeans pockets? Not even DH!

Got a life, thanks. Would also like dry legs.

I am a pear shape, so bigger on the bottom than the top. I hate pockets in trousers, skirts, dresses and pj's and would never buy anything except jeans with pockets. They bag at the sides on me, and ruin the line of the garment. Although it's cool on MN to like voluminous pockets in everything, I suspect the purchasing reality in women's clothes does not reflect this.

Ask M&S?

So leave your pockets empty or sew them up. I want pockets deep enough to slip my phone in.