Ageing radidly post menopause. Look pale and tired skin going thinner as is hair! Advice on products please!

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As above!
Need
Good skincare.
Hair supplements? Collegen? Tho amveggie!
Weight bearing exercise? ( feel weaker , no tone)
I use
Good genes sunday riley
Charlotte tilbury magic cream
Sunday riley luna oil
These are the best combo ive found but cost about 200 pounds!
Any good face stuff / neck stuff / oils or anything instead please!!
Also is like a thinning frizz of a bird nest.
Dull , dry, no shine !

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Ps 8 take rhe below vits
D
Iron with vit c
B12
Zinc

Bump

I've heard very good things about Starpowea vegan collagen gummies - they sell them in H&B and do specific ones for menopause I think? I've only been taking them for two months so I can't speak of long term effects but my hair seems to be growing quickly. I also take Biotin as I had terrible post partum hair loss (I am not menopausal btw).

Skincare - I think it's trial and error but personally I love the Body Shop drops of youth range/vtamin c range and I also use The Ordinary Hyaluronic acid and Aldi anti ageing serum before moisturising. Always wear factor 50 when outdoors,

Exercise - Pilates and weight lifting are your best friends. I subscribe to Deanne Berry Bodies - it;s very affordable and fun and new content is added every month.

Olive oil is amazing for dry hair. I apply an hour or two before washing and tie in a bun.

Skincare:
I've used all of those products and honestly they aren't superior to lower cost ones.

La Roche Posay is best moisturiser I've ever used and the ordinary b oil or squalene or beauty pie night oil are all excellent.

I totally get the self care aspect of luxury skincare but if you need to spend less, there are many more affordable options.

You could try some vitamin c, my favourite is Medik8 or Oskia.

I use Tretinoin for anti aging from Dermatica

www.dermatica.co.uk/referrer/Y2K0NE

Exercise
Pilates is great for strengthening and stability.
Yoga is brilliant for balance and flexibility.

I don't really believe in supplements personally but each to their own. I definately think a healthy diet and lots of water are important.

Vitamins - lamberts FEMA 45plus and I take ancient and brave collagen (not sure if veggie).
skincare - go to dermatica or skin and me for a consult, online and about £20 a month for tret which is amazing.
hair - I’m just trying kerastase chronologiste for ageing hair, but Pantene have a menopause range.
I found Sunday Riley really harsh for my skin and it completely stripped it. Always remember a factor 50 suncream too.

I'd get on HRT as a starter and go from there

Also if taking vit d you also need vit k as this prevents calcium deposits in the wrong places

Thank you for replies!
Ive tried the vegan collagen but at £ 30 p month i dont feel I can stretch to it .. at least until got other costs down such as skin care ..
Which i will look at!

Re La Roche posay which cream do you use please .. seems to be a few.

Re the tretinol .. will look at what it does .. is it similar.to retinol which is in the good genes ?
Thanks again!!

There is low level Retinol in the Sunday Riley oil you use, the good genes is an exfolitator with glycolic acid. But the Retinol isn't a high concentration in the oil.

Tret is much stronger and the only thing clinically proven to support anti aging. You take pictures of your skin and they send you a special formula, I use a tube every 6 weeks at £24ish.

If you do use Tret I wouldnt use good genes as that might be too strong to mix.

I use the bottle shaped one on normal days and the tube for drier days. Both from boots always have offers on.

I thought Good Genes was lactic acid?
Maybe there's a version with retinol in as well?

For skincare, as well as the GG if you're happy with that, you could think about a vitamin C and a retinol or tretinoin (tret is supercharged retinol- retin A itself)
They are proven anti-ageing ingredients along with acids like the lactic in the GG.

Crosspost with pp.

So do retinol and thr tret do the same thing?
What is a good moisturiser please.? There are so many!
I love the magic cream bit too ££and suspect it just surface ? I also use skin treat by tropic. I wd really appriciate advise on a good day and night cream.
So i use the oils , then i seal it in with the cream? Any good serums ? And do i apply those , then oil then cream.
I have clear skin . But lacks glow and sags !

@Martinisarebetterdirty will you post and let us know how you got on with the Kerastase shampoo.

Essentially yes. Tret is Retin A which is the most potent form of Vit A which can be used topically for skincare.
It goes Granactive Retinoid= very very weak potency, you need to divide the % by 10 on your ingredients list to get the actual % of active ingredient (so a retinol cream with 1% retinol on its pot, but which is listed as granactive retinoid on its ingredients list is really 0.10% etc) These are good starter level retinols. Then they move up through retinols to retin-A which is your tret. A starter tret would be something like 0.025%. That's how supercharged it is.

Most high street and high end creams/serums containing "retinol" (as opposed to a granactive) lie at around 0.3% which again, is good for starters.

If you watch some Nadine Baggott videos, she explains it all beautifully and also says we only "need" 5 products.

A cleanser
A moisturizer
An SPF
A vitamin C
A retinol.

The first two can literally be any you like. One goes down the plughole, the other just moisturises. No need to spend £££.

If you want to treat yourself, then serums are where to spend more. (even though one of the best hydrating serums is Superdrug Pure which is £4.99)

You could also add an acid toner, AHAs for ageing, mature skin or BHAs for oily and blemish prone. Your GG is an acid serum.

The Magic Cream has lots of good stuff in it. Lots of hydration - glycerine and peptides, hyaluronic, a tiny bit of vit C (but at the end of the ingredients list and not a particularly "good" form- the best is L-Ascorbic Acid) a bit of lactic acid again.

It depends on what kind of moisturiser you use, but general rule of thumb is thin to thick. So a lotion would have you putting an oil on top. Nivea blue pot (probably the best hydrator you can get) goes weird if you put it on top of some water based serums (most) so an oil would go first to provide a slip for the thicker cream to settle on.

THIS

Creams and vitamin supplements will do very little.

@Gatekeeper I’ve used it today (the kerastase shampoo), and I bloody love it. I have long wavy thickish hair and it’s now swishy and silky. It’s very expensive but if I continue like this I’ll have to suck it up. Full disclaimer, I get the liberty drop box and there was a hair oil in there that I’ve used with it, which my hair seems to like (I’m out but if you’re interested I’ll post what it was later).

Thanks for amazing replies!
Re hrt. I went thro this about 5 yrs ago. I sailed thro it . Periods just stopped. V few hot flushes. I had period dysmophia and it was such a relief the drop in hormone that made life a misery post ovulation every month.
Due to these factors I didnt consider hrt as I felt i didnt need it.
So some people go on it simply for anti aging benefits rather than to relieve symptoms such as hot flushes. ? I am not sure my gp wd allow me to have hrt if i am.5 years down the line / for anti ageing purposes?

HRT now would benefit you still for bone density loss prevention & I read of ongoing research into potential link with drop off in hormones & high levels of dementia in females. ( dementia link is not proven though )

I think they would, my mum is late 50s and a fitness teacher and she requested it to support her bone density and they had no problem with that.

Astaxanthin is a good supplement for vegans. Apparantly it's the thing that makes salmon good for the skin, directly from the sea plant rather than going through the middle man of the fish. Vegan collagen is probably not worth it, plant collagen isn't the same thing at all.
I agree with the advice on vit C, oil and retinol. BUT they will only address texture and complexion issues. The only way to reduce sagging is through interventions, from light therapy (slight results) to filler (decent results if done well) to mechanical lifting procedures (pdo threads give good short term results, but I think the only real game changer is surgery).

Yes you absolutely can get HRT and it's likely to be the single most important anti-aging thing you can do for hair, skin, bones, sexual function...

www.beautypie.com/products/super-retinol-vitamin-c-night-renewal-moisturiser
What about this .. enought active ingredients?? Thanks all you are being so helpful !
Anyone recomend a good moisture cream please.( i cant quite find the la roche posay one refered to before)

Dove do an anti aging hair range. I only use it intermittently or my hair seems to explode

This is a recent discovery - as recommended by Beauty Bible
Really excellent - and brings back glow!
lanolips.co.uk/products/aussie-flyer-mask
I recently tried some samples of the Immortelle range at L’Occitane and that really seems to work amazingly well on mature skin. However it’s £££ and this is cheaper and very effective.
www.nealsyardremedies.com/frankincense-nourishing-cream/11926848.html

Oh, the L'Occitane stuff is lovely, I treat myself to one a year.
I'm now glad I started wittering about skincare on here because, like the OP, I'm another one who never went on HRT as I had periods, and then I didn't. I had a few "oh bit hot today" moments, but literally only realised after the fact they must have been hot flushes.
I'm 56 and bloody ache all over so you've all convinced me to go and ask the GP about some HRT.