Ageing radidly post menopause. Look pale and tired skin going thinner as is hair! Advice on products please!

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As above!
Need
Good skincare.
Hair supplements? Collegen? Tho amveggie!
Weight bearing exercise? ( feel weaker , no tone)
I use
Good genes sunday riley
Charlotte tilbury magic cream
Sunday riley luna oil
These are the best combo ive found but cost about 200 pounds!
Any good face stuff / neck stuff / oils or anything instead please!!
Also is like a thinning frizz of a bird nest.
Dull , dry, no shine !

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I lost 40kg as well as starting menopause. I'm afraid for me, lip and cheek fillers are the only option. I also have discovered creme de la mere eye and face cream and it is immensely effective, like no other miracle fix claim, this works! It's expensive and the slippy glass has have a tendency to slip out of your hands and smash making it even more expensive. Advice, only handle over a carpet or bed, I really hurt myself trying to rescue the cream 😮

And lush salt shampoo and their hot conditioning sticks are amazing!

I didn't have any hot flushes. But I did have loads of little niggly symptoms that I had no idea were peri menopausal symptoms. Once I googled and saw the list it was like a lightbulb going off in my head

Agree. Relative of mine started with the thinning hair, and other symptoms, and this helped massively.

Agree with others, HRT for your future health. Sunblock. For hair, I take Hair Gain, and use Michael Van Clark's pre wash hair treatment (can't remember the name of it and CBA to go and look).

Get your hormones tested and get them balanced out first. Also- get your thryoid tested as hormonal imbalances can cause thyroid to go out of whack too.

All the creams/potions in the world wont correct your issues if they are thyroid/hormone related as that will cause thin, brittle frizzy hair, sagging and wrinkled and dry skin. Its a complete waste of money buying stuff for external use if the cause of this is internal.

I recommend Dr Martin Galy based in London for hormone advice and bio-identical hormones.

These. They work. Tried others… waste of money.

I stopped using last year but within three weeks, bought them again and frankly they’re a must, going forward. I don’t use expensive skin care. These work from within.

Boots always have offers and I buy strategically so, it works out at £30 a month.

Just to add. Have taken HRT for a few years. Had thyroid checked. I also exercise daily and eat lots of fruit/veg.

Am 60 in Sept. In this photo, I’m wearing makeup and have had a couple of drinks (it was New Year’s Eve just gone) which may have added to the glow!

Thanks again all.!
I have thryroid issues ,treated by thyroxin.
My reluctance re hrt
Is that i tend to use natural things were poss and i feel a wee bit fearful of artificial hormones coupled with the fact that i have a strong reaction to progesteron ( the history of premenstrual dysmorphia .. a sensitivity to progestrone) . I felt fantastic when pregnant for eg , much much better than normal life plus the menopause and no post ovulation hormon changes has been amazing.
Saying that , yes my hair is thining, i feel.quite weak and tired quite a bit, and my skin is pale and saggy! .. so it may be time to reavaluate. ! I did not know that hrt was good for you . ( Do you stay on it for life?) . I thought it was linked to cancer risk.
I also.thought menopause was natural and just to get on with it if waa not suffering things like pain , sweats etc which i had non of.
Russiandoll you look amazing!

I thought it was linked to cancer risk There was a study done years ago which showed this but has since been de-bunked due to issues with the interpretation of the results. Davina McCall did an excellent tv documentary on it- you can probably find it on channel 4 online. There is more risk with regard to developing female cancers from drinking a glass of wine daily than from HRT but of course, noone wants to hear that so it gets no attention. When hormones are out of balance (eg pre- menopause) - estrogen dominance for example, its actually more risky to leave it as it is than to supplement with progesterone to balance it out. Estrogen dominance is correlated with breast cancer for example. Research it for yourself is prob the best answer!

I’m 49 would recommend kerestase Genesis range expensive but worth it. Whenever I stop using it I can see the difference
also The Ordinary retinol 1% cheap and incredibly effective plus their hylauronic acaid under Estée Lauder tinted moisturiser with spf in the day

i would also invest in revitalash absolutely incredible product

am trying cerave this week to try and cut costs on cleansers and body moisturiser

OP, my HRT is made from yams. Not the same as the contraceptive pill, for example.

Exactly- thats the bio identical hormone which is identical on the molecular level to human hormones and therefore the safest. The old fashioned out of date HRT was made from the urine of pregnant horses.

As others have said, the standard is:
Vit C ( I use keihls, there are many. I look for around 20 %)
Tretinoin ( I use Dermatica- a subscription preparation worked my way up to 0.1 which is strong. It also has niacinimide abs azeleic acid in it.

When I am finding it is making me peel I may go a night where I use Murad retinol or Sunday Riley as they are pleasant and strong but not as strong as Tret
SR Good Genes I use maybe 1x a week instead of tret.
Moisturiser. Something very simple. As I use prescription actives, I want a simple hydrator.
SPF. I spend a lot on this because I want something that is cosmetically pleasant and plays nice with makeup. Colourscience and Mesoestetic are good and mid priced around £30 Murad is good but £60-70 last time I bought.

HRT has given me my life back. I'm also on Testosterone

Weightlifting
Pilates
Walk walk walk

I am trying everything to battle frizz. Colour Wow dream coat is my current one. I make sure I always use a heat protectant and wash just 2x a week now

Low carbs but the weight is still creeping on. I eat one big meal and one small meal a day. Or I should. Any more and I get fatter

@ParisNoir do you mean body identical or Bioidentical. Bodyidentical may be made from yams. It is possible to give HRT using BODY identical hormones which are exactly the same as your body’s own natural hormones. This is by using oestradiol and micronised progesterone (if a progestogen is required) and if it is needed, testosterone too. Body identical hormones are medications which have been subject to safety testing and quality control and are regulated by the Medicines Regulatory Agency. Bioidentical Hormones is a term used for compounded products which are marketed as being “natural” and “individualised” or “customised” for women. They are often made following salivary hormone measurements which can be inaccurate and vary daily. These products are unregulated by the Medicines Regulatory Agency and are unlicensed. They have not been subject to the same safety testing or quality control as the regulated HRT products in body identical HRT. The use of bioidentical compounded hormones is not recommended by the British Menopause Society.

I mean Bio- identical. From the NHS website:

Bioidentical hormones are hormone preparations made from plant sources that are promoted as being similar or identical to human hormones. Practitioners claim these hormones are a "natural" and safer alternative to standard HRT medicines. The one I take: utrogestan is made from yams and its Bio-identical. It was especially formulated for me from a private consultant

Of course Bio-identical hormones aren’t licensed, how can they be when each dose is specifically compounded for the individual requiring them.

Having used both body identical and bio-identical HRT, I know which one gave me issues, and it most certainly was bio-identical HRT.

Anyway OP, make yourself an appointment with Louise Newson, she’s a good place to start. I remember when my skin/face started to look aged, seemingly overnight. and I clicked my hormones had obviously shifted again. Indeed, my body had stopped producing any hormones whatsoever. My doctor changed my cocktail of HRT increasing the oestrogen and within a week, my face looked so much better.

@ParisNoir the NHS prescribed body identical formulations contain estrogen derived from either yams or soy. I can see that you are very happy on bioidentical. That's great. I just need to press the point that they are unregulated.

Here I have helpfully added the FULLexcerpt from the NHS website you posted Bioidentical hormones are hormone preparations made from plant sources that are promoted as being similar or identical to human hormones.
Practitioners claim these hormones are a "natural" and safer alternative to standard HRT medicines.
However, bioidentical preparations are not recommended because:
• they are not regulated and it's not clear how safe they are – there's no good evidence to suggest they're safer than standard HRT
• it's not known how effective they are in reducing menopausal symptoms
• the balance of hormones used in bioidentical preparations is usually based on the hormone levels in your saliva, but there's no evidence that these levels are related to your symptoms
Bioidentical hormones are not the same as body identical hormones. A body identical hormone, or micronised progesterone, can be prescribed to treat menopausal symptoms.
Many standard HRT hormones are made from natural sources, but unlike bioidentical hormones, they're closely regulated and have been well researched to ensure they're as effective and safe as possible.

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I looked.at the dream.coat

There seems to.different products .. which is best do u think? ( my hair is not curly but has a v slight kink) thanks.!

Yes, you are totally right and I did a lot of research before I sought help.

I see a specialist/pioneer in this field and he is extremely highly regarded and I went to him after several personal recommendations. The NHS isnt quite right about saliva tests though because I had extensive and ongoing blood panel tests to test my hormone levels at different phases of my cycle and thyroid function so maybe it depends on the practitioner? In this case, my GP was absolutely shit and clearly knew nothing about hormones so thats why I opted for that option. I have tons of energy now, my hair and skin improved and I feel great.

You seem confused. You are saying you swear by bio identical and then direct the OP to Louise Newson. Not sure why you are suggesting Louise Newson. She is indeed an excellent and highly regarded menopause doctor.

She also does NOT recommend bio-identical hormones

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Also - forgot to say that my hormone prescription is personalised to me and my hormone levels rather than the NHS one which offers standard prescriptions which are the same to everyone

Just for info: Dr Martin Galy is whom I see

@sansucre or gave I misunderstood abs you are saying you DON'T agree with bio identical?

They aren't the same for everyone at all. Your research has led you astray. There are many different HRT preparations and many different doses available for women