Royal style and gossip: From foundation to Foundations...

[QueenOfTheAndals]

I've lost count of how many threads we've had! Previous thread.

Let's keep the gossip lighthearted and, as always, stick to critiquing the clothes rather than being overly critical about the women wearing them.

I guess what strikes me is that Meghan previously milked every aspect of her life to promote herself and now is calling for privacy.
Anyway - it is interesting to see the list of make-up products.
I was on the Vaseline overnight thread and have been doing it intermittently. Can't tell if it makes a difference but reminds me of being a teenager.

In the heat that is currently afflicting us here in the US I suspect I would slide off my pillow onto the floor if I tried Vaseline overnight.

I am currently using a Korean overnight collagen face mask by/from The Creme Shop that seems to have a good effect on my pores. It smells nice and feels like blancmange to the touch.

I also use Thayer's alcohol free witch hazel with rose petals as a toner. I accidentally bought their lemon witch hazel a few weeks ago and have used that a few times too.

DD4 uses Mario Badescu facial spray with aloe, rosemary and rose water. It smells divine.

Prior to her life as a royal, surely DoS' whole career was based on promoting herself as a brand? Seems churlish to criticise her for it.

Surely there’s a «Sussex Brand» now.
It’s distinct from the rest of the RF; apart from the Cambridges.
Only difference is it’s not always clear which bits are private and which are not.
Cambridge Brand; no announcements, apart from a few engagements; not far in advance. We know we will see portraits of the children on their birthdays and Christmas and they appear on the balcony at a Trooping of the Colour.
Occasional surprise appearances at Chelsea flower show.
If Mini Cambridges are photographed at horse related; semi private events; that’s ok. The rest of their lives is out of bounds.
Kate, William, lots of smiles on public engagements; weddings are ok but press not acknowledged . Private holidays and extended family gatherings; completely out of bounds.

The Cambridge kids aren't private citizens though, they'll be working royals and we'll only see more of them as they get older. But eventually Charlotte and Louis will take a back seat to George, and any children of theirs will be like Archie. To me it seems clear that anything relating to Archie is kept private but H&M still carry out all their royal engagements.

The Tig was all about promoting Meghan but that's the entire point of blogs. And the posts about her father were about promoting a certain image - all celebs massage the truth. She wasn't to know that she'd end up marrying a prince and being subjected to an unprecedented level of scrutiny!

It's not looking good for Harry!

I used to watch suits all the time and read up loads about Meghan then. I rather suspect that most of the people interacting with her on her blog then were positive fans so it must have been an unpleasant shock when the caustic and racist attacks started when she first went out with Harry. I am mixed raced and hadn't really encountered any racism for years until Meg started seeing H. Now it's everywhere like it's the 70s again. I suspect they've just retreated in the hopes interest in Archie will fade over time.

I think an old PW looks quite good but agree about Harry!

Tipsey, that's really depressing to hear - about a return to 70s racism. Not helped by the likes of Farage, Johnson and Trump deliberately stoking racism. Appalling really.

I think Brexit has a lot to answer for - I’m white but not English (hence my arranged comments on the previous thread) & the comments started fairly soon after Brexit. Fairly depressing. I don’t think the racism is just to do with trump, farage. I think it was always there but people are feeling able to vocalise now

I'm not convinced by those Faceapp transformations. I think M looks far thinner in the face than will be the reality if she follows her father.

K, conversely, looks more "filled out" when compared to both her parents.

W looks plausible, H I think will be a lot grumpier and his lines will reflect that.

Fun though.

I ageee @GotToGoMyOwnWay and @TipseyTorvey.

And it's far more insidious too - it doesn't come in the form of a skinhead wrapped in an England flag or a burning cross anymore. It tends to take the form of microaggressions and dog whistle racism, so if you're not attuned to it it isn't as easy to spot.

I don't think William is as handsome as he was in his younger years but he doesn't look bad as an old bloke!

I’m as white as they come and never heard anything racist post Brexit... that’s obviously racist. It completely is insidious, some conversations feel two more comments away from telling people to “go home”. I’m in London and it feels like that’s a very small minority here, but you can tell a very intense one. People visiting are a lot more vocal. Sometimes you can’t believe it’s 2019 - I’m hoping this is a last attempt at the far right in our lifetimes, and then it’ll go. There are others I know who voted for Brexit and are completely not racist, so that’s just an excuse others use to be bigots. Wish racists would just come out and say they’re racist - half the battle seems to be them thinking they’re cleverly denying it, whether they’re even racist.

To be honest, I thought Meghan was white (I know she used to identify as white to get acting roles, which says a lot about Hollywood). Imagine suddenly being the only biracial celebrity some people might know - the questions directed at you, the minefield of diplomacy. Because lots of royal fans are older, it’s a bit of a meeting of one generation and another. The whole thing must be exhausting :( And I can really see why you’d want Archie to be a private citizen, keeping him away from all of that (though I wish H had done a better job with the press).

Anyway.... question about Vaseline... does it not block your pores? Or make you quite..flammable?! I want to try and did as a teen but it seems an odd thing to do!

And on the royal teens.. Seriously what would you dress them in?! Have a look on ASOS - it’s quite hard. It’d be silly to put them in designer stuff, but other labels don’t do smart enough outfits. Tricky!

Is it weird I think old Will is much more attractive?! H I thought would look better but he looks like a granny!

I think farage and Trump have taught people how to say things that to me sting because I know what they mean, but they can just do the faux innocent face and say 'oh I wasn't being racist when I said that you probably find the weather in the UK too cold for you and would be be happier in a hot country, type of thing. Anyway enough of the depressing reality. When do we see more frocks? Also thanks to pp poster who posted megs make up, might have to try some of that in the hopes it'll make me look 10 years younger

It tends to take the form of microaggressions and dog whistle racism, so if you're not attuned to it it isn't as easy to spot.

Could you give examples, Queen? Not being snippy, I'm genuinely interested as I think I'm one of those people not attuned to more subtle comments or actions. What does dog whistle racism mean?

Those age photos are scary! William looks like his father, Harry looks like my dodgy uncle 😂

Dog whistle racism is basically hidden/coded racism:

First, politicians force race into the conversation through “thinly veiled” racist remarks against people of color. Second, they make sure to not directly reference any one racial or ethnic group, so they can’t be accused of direct racism. And third, they shame any critics who try to call them out on the racist comments.

everydayfeminism.com/2017/05/politicians-racial-dog-whistles/

Is a good overview :)

A classic example is Trump picking out four women of colour (out of all the Democrats currently campaigning against him), saying they’re anti-American because they are campaigning, and on top of that saying they should “go home” to improve their own “homes”. He’s basically saying they don’t belong in the States, they never did, they’re not true citizens because of their ethnicity, and implying in the Bush way of things that you’re either with us or against us- there also seems to be the implication that trump and his base decide who “belongs”, who is American, and that non-whites should even be grateful to be in the US: but importantly he never outright said any of this. But his base knows what he means, we all do.

Personally I’d rather be eaten by a pig than spend seconds in the proximity with any of these people. Suppose that’s part of the problem, America seems in parts a very divided society. Like an identity crisis, it needs to think what it wants to be. Trump seems to represent an attempt to all live in some dream of 90s white America, not the ideals it was actually based on and not recognising its actual history and the experiences of all the non-whites citizens who built the country.

Anyway...

I’d love to see more gowns

I think they've been a bit generous with the hair for W and H in those FaceApp photos - I think William in particular won't have much hair left at that age (unless he has a hair transplant)

@Myimaginarycathasfleas Google it. I'm not being snippy either, am just pressed for time! Things like the headlines about Meghan being "straight outta Compton" or "not an English Rose" are just a couple of examples.

Now you mention it overly generous there’s no way either of them will have that much hair in ten years never mind 30!

Kate & Meghan won’t be quite so lined; you only have to look at their mothers.
I also see Meghan embracing grey hair.

I was googling Johnnie Spencer ( Diana’s father) and as a young man; I thought he looked astonishingly like James Hewitt.

CurlyWurlyTwirly I’m so confused by so many of these lot looking alike and having affairs that it’s more complicated than Game of Thrones!

So miffed that Leti’s dress was expensive. Is anyone else seeing lots of ok-but-not-great summer dresses in the shops? The pattern might be nice but the cut not good, or vice versa... Or very nice dresses but bloody expensive!

That’s aristos for you!
A small group of people; all go to the same few schools and shag each other at their country houses!