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This thread is about as French as a Sainsbury's baguette

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AuldAlliance · 23/05/2018 10:06

But we'll still enjoy it...

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SophieLion · 12/08/2018 16:16

Oh sorry to hear that Peregrane. I hope you're ok. Look after yourself Thanks

SophieLion · 12/08/2018 16:23

Grrr sorry just lost whole post Angry* and no time to re-type. Most of it was responding to Bo.* Will re-type tomorrow.

Was investigating how to find the previous threads Peregrane. I think they might be linked at the beginning of this thread but not sure.

SophieLion · 12/08/2018 16:24

No idea what happened to the bold in my post. Confused

SophieLion · 12/08/2018 16:25

Peregrane 5th post down from start of this thread has links to the previous ones.

Peregrane · 12/08/2018 16:41

D’oh... thank you Sophie!

DannyZuko · 12/08/2018 18:44

Peregrane I'm sorry to hear about your hospital trip. Take care of yourself!

Enjoy the other threads - so much to learn!

Plus, the unexpected bonus of reading them now is that you can find all the linked winter items super cheap on Ebay and in the sales. Winner! I bought a large Zara faux fur stole for peanuts on Ebay last week because nobody was buying fur mid-heatwave. I was the only bidder! Sometimes it pays to come late to the party.

Hope to see you around soon :) x

Floisme · 12/08/2018 19:34

Sorry to hear that Peregrane. Take care.

Danny I know exactly what you mean about not being able to spot when something will last. I've never got the hang of this - I think people who make their own clothes are probably better at it. I tend to go on past experience but I don't think that's reliable any more. Like you I have some so-called fast fashion buys that are still going strong nearly 10 years later, mostly from H&M but I very much doubt whether anything I buy there now will last the distance.

Re brogues - I always get Clarks Hamble Oaks. Some people don't get on with them but they work well for me.

On coats - the only one I've bought from new in recent years is an unloved but highly efficient bad weather coat from Seasalt. But I may have just supplemented that with a late order for a Protected Species mac (last day for getting 40% off). I'm embarrassed to say I had 18 coats at the last count but not one that was any use on a day like this i.e. pissing down but mild. Which when you live in the UK is a bit of a gap. I ordered one last year and it seems to be that very rare thing - fully waterproof but reasonably smart, however last time I got the burnt orange, which was a bit too Red Ridinghood-ish for my liking, plus it was tight around the hips. This time I've sized up and gone for burgundy. I did wonder about dark grey to suit my current austere mood but I wear burgundy a lot too.

I must admit part of me hopes it's not right as, even with 40% off, it'll blow a big hole in my autumn savings stash - and may mean no Toast velvet widelegs for the second year running. We'll see.

There may now be a period of silence from me as I'm away for the next couple of days and may not have much spare time but I'll catch up later in the week.

ChesterBelloc · 12/08/2018 23:33

Take it easy, Peregrane.

I think I got my daughter (16, fairly tall and growing into herself beautifully) to try on those white Zara magic shorts in navy, bo, and they looked absolutely fab on her, but she refused to get them! Gah. With a 'paper-bag-style' waist, iirc..? Wish I could wear shorts like that. Youth is wasted on the young!

ImYourWomanJonSnow · 13/08/2018 00:15

Peregrane hope you’re ok.

Hi again all, catching up with the thread after returning from holiday. I usually enjoy the novelty of 34+ degrees and being warm to my bones but since we had hot weather in England for a while before the trip I just had enough. I have never loved the rain so much like in the last few days.

This time of year always feels like a new beginning and I fantasise about the season ahead. In my mind it’s being cosy near the fire and wrapped up in soft wollens but the reality when it comes is soggy feet and cold hands and stink of my raincoat.

I am awaiting delivery of these trousers from Arket. www.arket.com/en_gbp/women/trousers/product.wide-fluid-wool-trousers-beige.0542054002.html
(Talk about impracticality, I’m sure they will be a dream in the rain on the bikeSmile)
I also bought a camel merino wool jumper from the dregs of Uniqlo sale for £10, I will try wearing them together maybe with a colour belt or shoes to break up the boringness. Or could Diana Vreeland it with chunky shiny necklaces or bangles.

Quite pleased to see that brown and rust are going to be in the shops this year, will stock up, I love those colours, they are so comforting and they suit me imo.

On that note, Flo thank you for the Uniqlo U link, there are at least five things I want from there.

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quirkychick · 13/08/2018 07:01

Flowers Peregrane I hope you are feeling better now (I had similar in pregnancy, it's a nasty scare, you have my sympathies).

flo Waterproof in warm weather is so tricky, I either end up dry and sweaty or wet! Those Protected Species coats look good. I have an Ilse Jacobsen raincoat in forest green, which is reasonably stylish but quite heavy. It's good for mild weather rather than warm, really. I could probably do with something more lightweight for in case of thundery showers, like today.

DannyZuko buying out of season is a great tip, also picking up bargains right at the end of the season for next time can be good too.

Floisme · 13/08/2018 09:29

Lovely trousers Jonsnow - and I'm sure nothing that bicycle clips can't handle Smile I'm beginning to think I should give Arket a go but I'm quite disillusioned with internet shopping at the moment and reluctant to add yet another name to the list. Like you, I'm looking forward to seeing browns and rusts again.

My Protected Species coat is already on it's way (so not so disillusioned after all) which is impressively quick. I won't see it until I get back though. I spent last night mentally re-configuring the autumn shopping plan to accommodate it - I do think about other things some of the time, honest.

Xing good luck to your son (and you) with the A Level results this week.

ToElleWithIt · 13/08/2018 11:00

Peregrane I hope you're okay. Take it easy after a fright like that.

jonsnow I love the trouser inspiration

ImYourWomanJonSnow · 13/08/2018 12:53

Thanks Elle, I like the idea of breaking up the greige/beige with discreet pops of bright colour. Joseph AW 18 also has it with polo necks, the outfits are a bit out there but the idea is transferable I think.

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This thread is about as French as a Sainsbury's baguette
XingMing · 13/08/2018 12:53

Peregrane hope you are feeling better now. Sounds like an order to take things gently!

Thanks Flo for your kind wishes for A level results; DS is busy cooking up a storm on a crash cheffing course (which is being examined next week) so he's fairly chilled about Thursday.

And I hope this PS raincoat is the cat's whiskers. The UK does demand proper waterproofs.

I bought this jumper in blue and orange last week and am keen to see it arrive.

Love the trews JonSnow. I think the mud would rule them out here; I might get one wear before Gou3 pawed them.

banivani · 13/08/2018 15:43

Oh no Peregrane, hope you feel better soon. :( You certainly threw in an interesting topic for discussion though re French vs Japanese "obvious" dressing! DOn't be shy of coming back with more topics like that :D - fwiw I think you're right. :)

Jonsnow haha I love those Arket trousers too, have been looking at them (only drawback is the colour for me). You're right, cycling in them is the pits. Must find bike clips. I've been tucking trousers into my socks all last winter.

xing I love the shape of that jumper.

botemp · 13/08/2018 15:54

Danny, IIRC the Sezane jeans are mainly of interest for those who are a bit straight up and down. IME if you're somewhat curvy, either hourglass or pear, it may be worth going down the US premium denim road. I tend to buy them from YOOX, occasionally from eBay if I'm familiar with the model and end up paying around high street prices (and far less on eBay, have paid under 10GBP for a new pair). My only pair of skinnies are from Acne though. Weekday also does some good jeans, not sure what their skinny is like as I’m not really a fan of them.

Brogues - I recced the Bobbies on here and that did get some buying from the brand, but it was all court shoes and sandals I think. I do like them as a slightly less severe/more feminine brogue type flat.

Coats - really depends on what you're looking for.

I am with others on here though that 'investing' can be a dangerous mentality and incentivises 'safe' buys. So whilst it may tick a lot of boxes it may very well end up being something you're all that enthused about as a reslt, and you may find yourself swapping out that investment buy for a different cheapy thing that you bought on a whim.

Flowers Peregrane, hope you're feeling better now. Take care of yourself, and get some greens and proteins in you.

WRT your question on Japanese vs. Parisian and 'trying too hard'. I have many thoughts Grin I'm basing it mostly on traveling in both countries and an unhealthy dose of interest in both cultures.

So the Japanese in isolation have a very high regard for skill and craftsmanship and they're very singularly driven in it (which ties into my thoughts on minimalism -and by extension Zen Buddhism- previously expressed on here). Fashion falls within that tradition of craft so it's very much treated with a great amount of reverence and the master of the craft is treated in similar vein and trusted above all, so things are generally worn as designed, and you will often see them in head to toe in one designer as an expression respect. So whilst it seems they’re more open to avant-garde concepts when it comes to dressing there is an element of submission there. Granted this is a very small subset, the Japanese you see in Europe or in fashion specials aren't representative for the population as a whole.

Most are dressed in neat, modest, and well cared for clothing (even the homeless, who even take off their shoes outside the cardboard boxes they reside in) but climate impacts it greatly (so summer fabrics are very thin which does little for shape and silhouette) and colour palettes aren't terribly exciting. I think because it's all so ordinary, somewhat conservative and staid, unlike elsewhere, it’s quite a dominant culture which means it has opportunity for counter movements to emerge as seen in the street styles (Harakuja etc.), and the highly conceptual, and even Margaret Howell who seems almost very ordinary in the extreme to us feeds into a counter-movement as utilitarian clothes still very much exist in Japan and are quite visible in everyday life in many variations of uniforms, denouncing those in them as decidedly working class, so to voluntarily dress down in class, in a country obsessed with hierarchy and what everyone earns, is considered quite radical. It's also far more about joining in with movements that represent your values rather than being about personal expression and style. It’s a distancing from society at large without stepping outside of it entirely, which is quite a symbiotic approach which I would say defines much of the Japanese mindset where the Parisians are very much children of the Enlightenment which is steeped heavily in individualism.

The don’t ‘too try hard’ angle in Parisian fashion is one I question often. I think it’s mostly distilled from the Coco Chanel advice of always taking off one accessory before leaving the house (or something like that) which seems to often get explained as not flaunting excess where, to me, it’s more a statement of knowing when and how to edit. You still need to take an extra step over the line to understand the existence of the boundary, it's not about respecting the existence of the line at all time by always remaining behind it.

This is just personal observation and musings, but since the various terrorist attacks, the Parisians do seem to be pushing the boat out more when it comes to dressing in response to attempts of their beloved liberté being undermined. It’s part of their city identity and they seem more motivated to carry it out forth on a daily basis almost like a statement that it won’t be taken from them that easily, they dress with a sense of purpose far more than they once did. Much of what they wear would be OTT elsewhere but it works then and there because they’re all in on it, fraternité, and the city’s architecture makes for a dramatic enough background to counteract it and allows them to connect with it at the same time.

What I do think still ties into that ‘too try hard’ angle is that they are still decidedly dressing for themselves, the obvious effort is not so much taboo anymore (if it ever was), it appears, but the taboo of dressing to impress others of something you’re perhaps not is, égalité and all that.

Flo, I think predicting the longevity of items can be easier done with certain items, eg. tailored pieces, you can see how the cloth is cut, finished, whether it’s in the right direction, etc. those things are probably easier to spot if you’ve attempted it yourself. I think knitwear is far more of a wildcard, the only constant I’ve found is that a bit of synthetic (polyamide rather than acrylic) in there to strengthen the yarn does help in longevity.

Hmm those shorts really must be magic Chester, although an odd sort if they’re so flattering yet still make everyone leave them behind in the shop Shock

Love the inspiration pic, jon, I had earmarked those Arket trousers too but I think the smallest size would be too wide in the waist for me and too much trouble to get altered but if they do come in small or TTS I’ll be in the Arket shop ASAP.

Speaking of Joseph, I read that the current designer (woman, sorry forgot her name but should look it up again) is stepping down.

I’ve also been contemplating on the new season, should probably get some collages up again as I’ve been screenshotting things. I am contemplating how much of an autumn we’ll get though, the current rain and ‘lower’ temps are going to make way for hotter weather again soon here and predictions are that will carry on into September. So potentially an Indian Summer scenario and usually October is just very wet and therefore mostly practical and November is winter in full here.

With that in mind, I do need to get a new raincoat but considering how many I’ve tossed out over the years I am wondering what’s a sensible step as the fabrics used are terrible from an environmental standpoint and I don’t find many have longevity, regardless of price. A technical coat would maybe be better but I don’t like the suffocating feel of them on. Saw an environmentally responsible one online somewhere but that was scarily expensive. I’m not that ethical… And the whole needing a split of sorts to be able to bike with them tends to limit my choices as well.

I hope Cake and Wine are in order for you and yours this week Xing, am slightly confused though as I thought you’d mentioned he wore THE coat to his graduation much to his teachers' admiration. Have I misremembered or am I just psychic Confused

botemp · 13/08/2018 15:56

bani, I saw some cycling clips at Flying Tiger for 2 euros. They had a yellow reflective finish on them though.

XingMing · 13/08/2018 16:29

No Bo, you're quite right, he wore The Coat to Founder's Day, which is graduation day. A level results are marked over the summer and published on the third Thursday in August. Teens are all on tenterhooks to find out whether their grades are what was required for their university choices.

As DS hasn't applied for anything for this autumn (he doesn't know what to study or what he wants for a career just that it won't be any of his A level subjects) and he'll need to develop a portfolio if he decides on art/animation/TV courses. In the meantime, he's planning a year of working as a chef/ski host/yacht crew while he thinks and saves some money to go to Japan for several months. Hence the short chef's course, which he is loving.

botemp · 14/08/2018 20:04

Ah good I'm not losing my mind quite yet Halo

Well if I hadn't already clocked XingSon (that reads a bit odd, like singsong Confused) as an HSP, the Japan trip would have solidified it. Classic HSP destination, he'll really enjoy it, I'm sure. If he's still in planning stages I would recommend including a little detour to South Korea, it's a cheap and quick flight. Seoul is amazing and the south of the country is gorgeous. Also, they're a little bit more open and social than the Japanese, so it's a nice change of scenery when you've been there for a bit.

I used to be on the admissions panel for prospective students so have seen loads of portfolios, I'd be happy to give pointers what they're usually looking for, if and when. Granted different discipline and country but the general principles are the same when it comes to portfolios.

Remember way when I mentioned Cora Kemperman and needing to dig out a linen skirt that was similar to the Rokh one and promised pictures of that never materialised? Well, I finally wore it today with Macgyver modifications by using an elastic headband to hoik it up and fold the waist over itself. Just wanted to try it out and see if it's worth getting altered and experiment a bit more with the all white look that doesn't scream, sacrificial virgin. I definitely should get it altered to fit again as it moves so lovely, forgot all about that bit. Snapped a quick pic when running through TKMaxx and trying on insanely high shoes for reasons I don't quite know Confused was actually wearing some tan sandals with it.

Jon, there's some lovely colour inspiration in the Copenhagen fashion week coverage. Madame Le Figaro coverage here, which incidentally includes a shot of my new bag in a different colour way (I prefer mine), it better not become an Instagram thing Hmm

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XingMing · 14/08/2018 20:32

He's a bit peevish that his closest friends, who graduated a year ahead of him have already been to Japan so (competitively) he's planning a longer stay, and learning the language and some sushi/sashimi courses. He may have to go shepherding in NZ to fund it. Now that is certainly NOT the style option!

botemp · 14/08/2018 20:47

But think of all the lovely merino souvenirs for mum though Wink

Since he's in food mode currently, I'll have to look at what temple it was exactly but we had an amazing vegetarian kaiseki tea ceremony at a specific temple in Kyoto. I mean the sushi and sashimi everywhere is great but the delicate little foods there were incredibly special and unlike anything I've eaten. It wasn't crazy expensive either.

You can earn really well in SK teaching English, it's possible in Japan too but I think there's a little bit more admin involved.

XingMing · 14/08/2018 21:16

Possum/merino mixes are wonderful, although not hardwearing and tender to wash. The Kiwis don't have enough of a fabric and garment industry to capitalise where they should IMO. Possum merino is possibly the very best and warmest luxury yarn on the planet, but it needs to be washed very carefully and dried even more carefully. When they get the basics right, and develop really sophisticated dyeing techniques, the price will soar to the same level as Italian cashmeres.

ImYourWomanJonSnow · 15/08/2018 09:00

Well the trousers arrived and they will be promptly going back. I had such high hopes for them (sigh). They are beautifully made with nice detail (button closing instead of zip, a split at the back on the waist) and the fabric although it falls beautifully is scratchier than I expected. They just don’t suit me. They are just right for me at the waist, hips and back but the pleats at front bunch up and make me look somehow meaty and wide legs are not flattering on me at all. Lesson learned at least, I should be looking for tapered trousers as they are much better on me.

Danny I’m not sure if skinny jeans are a consideration (personally I moved away from that style generally but still can’t imagine not having a black pair, on some days in winter they are the perfect thing): I’ve been wearing Weekday Thursday model, they are not spray on skinny, more slim, thick and just the right balance of cotton and stretch. I had them for a year now and even the colour has faded a bit they are going strong - and weirdly still fit well despite me dropping 4 inches in the waist in that time: they were my post baby jeans.

bo thank you for Le Figaro pictures. Especially like the oversized camel jacket and mint trousers combo. But can’t get over the chunky trainers everyone is wearing. Surprised they’re still a thing.

ToElleWithIt · 15/08/2018 10:11

I enjoyed reading your thought on Japanese style everyone. We're planning a short trip back next year. Toyko is probably my favourite city in the world to visit. I hope Xingson enjoys his trip there (after getting a great set of results of course).

Love the skirt botemp

I had never even heard of possum / merino wool, how fascinating!

I've been very restrained lately. I even had a bit of time to shop, but resisted buying anything. I'm still casually on the look out for jewel coloured pumps.

quirkychick · 15/08/2018 10:18

Love the skirt, bo, definitely worth having taken in. You wouldn't know it was held up by an elastic headband. I am currently wearing a belt with an invisible hair band to hold the end in with my jeans, as it doesn't quite reach the next belt loop. I'm all for modifications with clothes Grin.