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Fantastic Skincare - we're snail here 🐌

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botemp · 23/04/2017 14:25

Thread 1 Thread 2 Thread 3 Thread 4 Thread 5 Thread 6

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. In order to make use of the below form and join in I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Basics of an Actives Routine

Where to Start

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Deviations on this thread are mostly my fault. Grin

If you're in need of some advice coming to grips with your skincare routine please don't hesitate to ask, we don't bite, only occasionally sting with a bit of Biologique Recherche P50 now and then Wink. Just make sure to state clearly what your concerns and needs are in as much detail as possible, skincare is highly individual and a random recommendation for a 'good' product will be completely different from one person to the next.

Make sure you've read the earlier threads (or at the very least the first one and the linked docs) so we're not being asked to answer previously raised questions. It takes a lot of time and effort to answer these queries and often the answers can be found in previous threads, but if you still have questions relating specifically to you, use the following form to make life easier on us . Please note, the form is not here to generate a routine for you, sometimes it involves product recommendations but mostly it's there so we can answer a specific question without having to go back and forth endlessly. Also, not everyone will have answers and sometimes we can't answer you at all. We're only a bunch of amateurs that can respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Skin type:

Approx age (range):

Primary skin concern:

Routine :

AM :

PM :

Makeup : eg. no/light coverage/medium coverage/heavy coverage

Occasional treatments:

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results:

Things that are really working well for me now:

Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant:

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: eg. >£10, £10-20, £20-50, £50-100, no limits.

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]:


Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

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Ollivander84 · 18/05/2017 17:04

Ok I'm now a total coffee body scrub convert
Feels weird to rub on as its dry, best in the shower as its messy. The one I used had some oils in too. Skin feels like silk, and incredibly soft and moisturised

userallusedup · 18/05/2017 19:21

Thanks Lego I'll give the UB oil a miss, I'm actually happy with the hylamide one so I'll stick with that.

Olli your skin is looking really good, I'd be delighted if mine was like that and I've not just had major surgery! I'm definitely going to give the 1% retinol a try soon.

My innisfree no sebum blur powder has arrived, I got the compact one rather than loose. First impressions are very favourable, it's quite small but will be good for on the go and travel. The blur is very slightly tinted but invisible on my skin tone and mattified instantly. I've only just tried it now and I'm about to cleanse so won't be able to assess how long it controls oil for until tomorrow.

JDSTER · 18/05/2017 20:57

user funnily enough my innisfree powder arrived today too Smile. I've got the loose one and I'll report back once I've trialled it. Clean and clear blotting papers arrived today too, the film type without powder which were recommended (can't remember who by).

userallusedup · 18/05/2017 21:34

JDSTER it was me who recommended the film blotting papers Smile I'm using some bamboo charcoal ones at the moment, they are larger sized than others I've used so absorb more oil in one go. But apart from the size they do the same job as the clean & clear ones.

JDSTER · 18/05/2017 22:15

Grin user

EnidButton · 18/05/2017 23:19

I'm out of action MN wise until they fix the broken mobile site. Using desktop to post this from my phone and it's literally painful. My eyes! Just posting so you don't all slip off the bottom of my 'threads I'm on'.

Pupsiecola · 18/05/2017 23:39
  1. Would DHC oil give me spots?
  1. I think my skin might have gone a bit combination. Should I review my products?

Thank you. Too drained to write any more.

nicpick · 19/05/2017 07:18

I've done 2 weeks with the Hylamide and the Eucerin cream and skin definitely seems more glowy less dry. So now I cleanse with the oil, apply the Hylamide and then Eucerin. What do I introduce next to even out my skin, lumps and pores? I'm wondering if the lumps could be old acne scaring that I've never really had a problem with until recently when my skin has dried out? My goal is to go make up free on holiday in August!
Also on the lookout for a good facial sunscreen. Thank you 😀

botemp · 19/05/2017 10:34

Pupsie, anything can give you spots, but a reaction to DHC CO usually means you don't tolerate olive oil (and therefore sometimes squalane, a derivative) well. May also be made worse by the whole technique as you leave the cleansing oil to sit on your face for some time rather than rinsing off straight away. It may also have been an issue of overcleansing if you did the technique in the PM.

As for 2, it's probably down to the weather. I'm the same, come some warmth and humidity and I see a slight increase in oil production around my nose area.

nicpick, sorry had meant to get back to you but then my stupid hair meltdown happened. Have you incorporated the LRP Toleriane Dermo Cleanser yet? Sunscreen would be the next logical step, you can try LRP Anthelios XL Ultra Light Fluid SPF50 and see how you get on with that. Step after that would be an AHA, I know you asked a question about that before that I've yet to answer but I'll get to answering that backlog today or tomorrow Smile.

What's up with the MN mobile site? It works fine on mine.

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mintmagnummm · 19/05/2017 11:46

Nicpick also consider eucerin mattifying spf 50 (it's not drying)

mintmagnummm · 19/05/2017 11:47

Oh and also nicpick sorry meant to say if you want an alternate the eucerin cream now as it's quite heavy then maybe consider one of the face theory ones

olderthanyouthink · 19/05/2017 12:29

Pupsie I'm sorry your DS is being picked on. Tell him there's a Pinterest board dedicated to "Hot guys with freckles" (it's not mine, but they aren't wrong).
It's sucks but people will find something to take the piss out of because they are dicks. People made fun of my large forehead they called me fivehead. Being young is rough.

There's a couple spots on my nose, they were not inflamed and dry and had been there a while. I gave them a poke with a clean needle and a squeeze (sorry) and a dry lump came out of one by the other wouldn't so I left it but now it's bugging me.

Then there's the others spots which are new but I think are going. They were either because I started using Squalane or putting layers of serum on. I've stopped doing both now. Did my my skin feel more hydrated though.

In other news, if I get my shit together I'm going to the carribean next month... ah the sunburn. Any suggestions for changes that I should make? (How the f do you only take a little baggy of liquids?! I use 100ml of conditioner per day).

Shop · 19/05/2017 13:22

older 😲 100ml a day? Can't help on the baggage limits as not flown for years. Don't think I'd manage the restrictions on products tbh Grin

mint I've not used the clarins drops but the tan luxe face drops are brilliant. I'd definitely recommend them. I think there's a latest in beauty box with a full size in at the moment which might be a good way to try them as I think it's cheaper than buying it on its own.

botemp · 19/05/2017 13:38

Tackling the backlog as my time on the pout couch is over still pouting regardless

Pupsie, wrt Poppy Austin Vit C, it's SAP based so only really of interest to acne sufferers really not so much on the anti-ageing/brightening front (though it just lacks the scientific backing for this, assumptions are it acts similar to Vit C in L-AA form but derivatives, in general, are always less effective than the original).

Thanks wilting on the dosage front. Will trawl iherb for some higher dose stuff to use from next month onwards.

Tree I'll be PMing you, remind me again of your kind offer if I forget.

Pupsie wrt using AHAs and other exfoliating acids with higher pH (so in moisturisers, serums, etc. excluding cleansers as they're not leave on products). The higher pH of those products means there is a lower availability of free acids, ergo the effect is significantly slower and less impactful. It may be enough for some and not for others, it's really dependant on skin needs and type. I would say with that Dr. Sam video it's where I diverge a bit from opinion with her as she has more powerful stuff at her disposal when treating someone so the necessity of a separate exfoliator is likely unnecessary due to the prescription strengths, with an all OTC routine that balance is somewhat different.

Cardinal, retinol is a bit of a long haul game but I'd probably look at TO Retinoid 2% as an alternative in the budget section. Otherwise Paula's Choice 1% or SkinCeuticals 1% are worth looking into.

I've looked into that hero project before, it weirdly reminds me of Deciem but I can't figure out if they're part of Indeed or something. It's weird that they're advertising if you like Hydraluron you'll like this product exactly like TO will rec Hylamide and NIOD products... Anyhow, I dismissed it at the time due to the use of essential oils (irritating to some) which I found a bit odd in a brand that presents itself like a 'clinical' line and nearly impossible to find full INCIs on the products.

iknowimcoming , sorry for the delay and lack of other responses but it's difficult to answer your question as you haven't been very specific. I've never used Elemis (only ever sampled) as it's a spa brand that mostly just feels nice rather than does very much for skin health. I can't tell you what to use instead as these are sensorial things which are highly individual. I don't think Avene is comparable, and Liz Earle is a different philosophy, both are brands I don't rec all that often due to various reasons. The Superdrug own brand may be something to look into? General advice, get a daily SPF and read through the sheets in the OP to get a basic understanding.

Ooh I like the new title proposition Pupsie, I was toying with Fantastic Skincare: The Snail Slimes Back after all our Star Wars talk (I probably got the wrong franchise again, forgive me otyt)

Tsnmummy08, interesting on the Dr. Jart. I was looking into the brand as TKMaxx had tonnes of it but still relatively expensive it turned out. I know the Ceramidin liquid is hugely popular, especially with combo-oily skin.

eversions, iirc Laura Mercier had a silicone free foundation, may have been an oil free something or the other. I know one of their primers is silicone free too.

guy, the BS SPF is fine for everyday use but for the summer on hot days where you expect to be sweating quite a bit I'd rely on something else or be really diligent about topping up throughout the day.

Welcome Avocado, yes the Eucerin ultrasensitive is what I've been reccing mostly since the confirmation of LRP Fluide discontinuation news. Although I have heard it's harder to get hold of in the UK recently but it still seems to be easily available here.

Speaking of Fluide, for those with access to frequent USA travellers, for whatever reason the LRP Toleriane Fluide (OG) doesn't appear to be discontinued in the US for now. It's RRP is $30 though Shock

On the Nia chat, yes I think the newer products that push it into an 'active' standalone product in the 10% range make it problematic. The Olay stuff and all that came before it was always under 5%. The research (primarily done by Olay) was all in the 4-5% range so all the benefits don't suddenly increase at 10% according to the available studies out there currently, whilst it does vastly increase possible problems of sensitivity and irritation. The original 10% product was Paula's Choice booster which was meant to be mixed in so you'd probably end up with a lower % effectively.

Thanks Nabootique, that's interesting. It's kind of how I view the NIOD line as a whole, it's a low inflammation alternative to actives that you either buy into as that philosophy aligns with yours or an inability to tolerate the more common actives. It'll be difficult to truly gauge what works better long temr and I can definitely understand why the NIOD line is such a hard sell with the new-gen science and the distinctively slower approach to skincare.

otyt, that sounds less like a spot and more like a plug, as in excess sebum (unless you have the stomach for it YouTube is not your friend here). Got any BHA around? Remind me of your current routine again, please? As for the Caribbean just lots of good waterproof/resistant sunscreen. It tends to be more humid this time of year IIRC so dehydration may not be as much of an issue. Also, wear shit tonnes of SPF on the plane, and reapply often. UV rays at high altitudes are killer, poor stewardesses and pilots age significantly faster than the rest of us. Something like the Bioderma facial mist would be good as that's hydrating and a bit of SPF protection (emphasis on the bit) but I'm not sure if that would technically qualify as an aerosol, it's not I think, but may be confiscated anyhow?

Making general notes on night cream requests - question why the desire for night creams all of a sudden, is just the time of year and facial oils on top of boring moisturisers are losing appeal or are the boring functional moisturisers for day just too boring and something heavier is indeed needed?

Also have just realised from reading this all back that the thing I once predicted has happened... our cycles are in sync Shock

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nicpick · 19/05/2017 13:42

Ok thanks, Bo and mint, I've not bought anything else yet! When would I use the demo cleanser? And what should I alternate the Eucerin for? Sorry I'm completely rubbish! 😓
Thanks I'll look into that sunscreen.

nicpick · 19/05/2017 13:46

Sorry just seen you said face theory

botemp · 19/05/2017 13:48

Stick with the eucerin for now if it's not causing any issues. I specifically suggested that cream as it will gently exfoliate which will help with texture. Use the LRP Toleriane Dermo Cleanser after an oil cleanser and possibly in the AM.

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olderthanyouthink · 19/05/2017 14:21

shop on maybe not that much, I buy a bottle once a month so that's like 10+ml a day coin sized amount won't do anything

I've never flown before, you can take as much as you like on a ferry so I took a few big tresemme bottles.

bo I'll look on YouTube later Grin
No BHA
LRP dermo, Superdrug serum, simple rich moisturiser(, LRP XL ultra light)
The LRP spf is water resistant, there was a bioderma one that's waterproof? (How do people take loads of sun cream on planes?)
I didn't know about the UV at altitude.
I'm not allowed aerosols, either? I've load of googling to do.

mintmagnummm · 19/05/2017 15:44

Shop wat are the luxe tanning drops??

yongnian · 19/05/2017 16:24

older. - it's only restricted for your hand luggage usually - you can take what you like liquid wise in your hold luggage. (Do check with your individual airline though).
I put everything in the hold these days, much easier than faffing. I generally only do short-haul these days tho and am usually kid-wrestling, not relaxing with a sheet mask or keeping my skin well hydrated like days of yore!! Ah well...

nicpick · 19/05/2017 17:28

Ok thanks BO your knowledge is brilliant. Is there anything else that I should start to introduce in another few weeks? Don't want to keep mithering

Pupsiecola · 19/05/2017 18:51

Thanks Bo. This happened before when I used the DHC hence my question. I ended up with 2 or 3 relatively large spots on cheeks (not pimples). I've not changed anything else. Interesting re the change in weather - yep, could absolutely be that. Do you do anything different now that it's happening? Thanks for answering my other questions too (I was asking about Poppy Austin from a work perspective - with my new job it's on my radar now, in a sort of tenuous way).

I shall look up that pinterest board older, and point him in the direction of Eddie Redmayne (DS also does drama).

userallusedup · 19/05/2017 20:33

Pupsie the DHC oil gave me spots too, in fact most cleansing oils and balms did before I found the hylamide one BUT this was in the days before I learnt about double cleansing so suspect too much was remaining on my skin. I've never had problems with the hylamide one though, even when I was still using it as my only cleanser.

Older yes yongnian is right, you can take whatever size of liquids and aerosols you want in checked luggage and on long haul you don't usually have to pay any extra to check one pretty large bag. When I'm flying short haul I dither like mad about whether to pay for a checked bag or not. Sometimes it doubles the cost of the flight but I get really anxious about not being able to bring all my products and makeup with me Blush

EnidButton · 19/05/2017 20:39

Mobile site is working again today bo It froze yesterday. There's a big thread in site stuff of people getting MN withdrawal. It was only down a day but still...

EnidButton · 19/05/2017 20:45

You're glowing Olli!

Pupsie I am so sorry to hear your beautiful boy is getting bullied. Flowers Girls can be especially cruel and vicious when they turn into bullies. I really hope you get the support you both need and it's dealt with swiftly and properly. Poor wee boy, I really feel for him.

By the by but I think freckles are lovely on both boys and girls. Really special.