Ditch The Foundation, Embrace Some Fantastic Skincare Instead!

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For those who are taking a peek and wondering whether thread 1,2, 3, and 4 are worth reading, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients for our particular needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Deviations on this thread are mostly my fault.

If you're in need of some advice coming to grips with your skincare routine please don't hesitate to ask, we don't bite, only occasionally sting with a bit of Biologique Recherche P50 now and then . Just make sure to state clearly what your concerns and needs are in as much detail as possible, skincare is highly individual and a random recommendation for a 'good' product will be completely different from one person to the next.

Make sure you've read the earlier threads (or at the very least the first one) so we're not being asked to answer to previously raised questions. It takes a lot of time and effort to answer these queries and often the answers can be found in previous threads, but if you still have questions relating specifically to you, use the following form to make life easier on us. We generally answer one or to two people a day on a first come first served basis. Not everyone will have answers and sometimes we can't answer you at all. We're only a bunch of amateurs that can respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Skin type:

Approx age (range):

Primary skin concern:

Routine :

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Makeup : eg. no/light coverage/medium coverage/heavy coverage

Occasional treatments:

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results:

Things that are really working well for me now:

Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant:

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: eg. >£10, £10-20, £20-50, £50-100, no limits.

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]:

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Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly either.

I also don't think your skin looks as bad as you think it is Sasha. Honestly think improving your diet would be enough.

Dulci He's a pharmacist.

Going to try using the p50w today. I had a breakout so was hesitant to carry on with anything except the basics but it's calmed down now. I know I'm being really slow with everything but after years of trying all sorts and getting muddled over what was causing what I feel much more in control of my skin is and feel like I'm getting to know it much better thanks to this thread. I understand the ingredients lists now too. Always read them but would skin over some bits. Know what I'm looking at now.

bo, right. I'll introduce the sunscreen over the next 2-4 weeks, then a HA serum over the 2-4 weeks after that, and eventually start with CosRx BHA when I'm happy with those. Phew! Thanks for being so patient!

Just popping in to say LRP oTleriane Fluid is £10 on Look Fantastic at mo.

An admirable aim Sacha!

That's very kind of you to offer the Ginvera/Cure stuff but as I'd actually forgotten posting about it I probably don't need it lol. Thank you though. If there are no other takers I would be curious to try the cosrx though - the stuff I was using has stopped doing something, annoyingly.

Enid look forward to a P50W update!

@SashaTaught , I honestly don’t think pictures tell me too much as it’s such a momentary fragment of what you deal with over a long period of time. Sometimes I can see something that a GP should probably take a closer look at but beyond that, I tend to take people’s own assessment of their skin and work from that. So I don’t really want to get into the ‘your skin is not as bad as it sounds description’ (though it’s meant in an encouraging way here), IME those who post on here with the most troubling skin tend to downplay it a lot out of social habit and those with what most would consider not problematic at all, tend to be the most vocal about their unhappiness with it. It doesn’t really matter to me what’s ‘accurate’, in my book anyone struggling with their skin can describe it as problematic or not as they like without having to measure it against other people’s conditions or for us having to define what’s ‘normal’ or ‘perfect’ skin and what isn’t. I am having a hard time spotting any broken capillaries though and would say with some reserve that your expectations for good skin may possibly be unrealistic.

First of all your skin sounds/appears very sensitive/reactive (which isn’t all that unusual in the deathly pale) but I have to take in consideration most digital cameras greatly exaggerate redness. However, your history of eczema and the Liquid Gold fiasco suggest as much, whether you were always sensitive or if that’s a result of the LG will remain a mystery but I think it’s best to start treating your skin as ultrasensitive. Which would mean eschewing the most common triggers like fragrance, alcohol, colourants, essential oils, possibly silicones, etc. and since you seem especially clog prone and found balms not working for you I’d avoid solid fats at room temperature (so shea butter, cocoa seed butter, coconut oil, etc.) and waxes (synthetic or otherwise).

It may very well be that you permanently damaged your skin with LG, leaving it compromised, your retelling of product issues is somewhat worrying as you appear to push your skin further than it wishes to be taken, not taking the initial warning signs as such. That coupled with your expectations of your own skin can lead to unpleasant results so it's something to mindful of if that's the case (I can only make assumptions on the basis of the comments on here and the form so can equally be completely off the mark here). I feel it best to really focus on a very gentle, low-irritant approach to get your skin to a less sensitised/reactive state.

As for diet, I don’t know if it will solve your skin problems outright. You mentioned it did little when you went low-carb/no fat/no sugar (which I assume means high fat and high protein which in my book isn’t all that balanced either so a difficult comparison model of a healthy/not healthy diet but does give some indication on food sensitivities and your skin) but it would be remiss to say there are plenty of other benefits to a healthy diet beyond skin health. As mentioned many times over on this thread, dehydration in your skin won’t be solved by drinking more water, but like a healthy balanced diet, drinking plenty of water is a great contributor to general good health which is always beneficial to skin, but it’s a myth that can drink your way out of skin dehydration.

The majority of products you’re using now contain some form of potential irritants (probably in the makeup too, think Clarins contains fragrance) so I do think it’s sensible to start cutting those out. Yes, it’s the lean French pharmacy diet that can feel more like punishment than delight sometimes. LRP Toleriane Dermo Cleanser, HA Serum, Eucerin UltraSensitive for Combo Skin, SPF with the possible addition of PC Resist Anti-Aging Skin Transforming Multi-Correction Treatment with Azelaic Acid + BHA and a non-fragrant oil cleanser. Tacking on P50 (or another gentle AHA -not glycolic) if the PC Azelaic/BHA combo isn’t the one for you, a low irritant Vit C (so not L-AA), reintroducing the PC Nia and a gentle form of retinol (the Redermic is not the one I’d go with for you) in the very distant future. Keep the number of products to a minimum and the standard advice applies about introduction and building up acids/Retinoids/Vit C/etc.

My Morning Routine:
Soap and Glory Ultimelt Cream Cleanser washed off with a flannel post shower I don’t hate this as outright as most of S&G stuff but it does contain essential oils so, for now, I’d keep away from this and for an AM cleanser it’s a little heavy.
Nip Fab Dragons Blood Pad
Vichy Aqualia Serum contains fragrance and Paula’s Choice Resist 10% Niaminacide Booster mixed together - you could continue to use the Nia in the AM orPM routine
Indeed Labs Hydraluron Moisture Jelly - how is this working for you? Can’t remember if this is a heavy silicone formulation or not
LRP Anthelios SPF 30 Lotion ← is this the body lotion version? If so don’t use it for the face it’s probably too heavy or Nivea Anti-age suncream ← contains fragrance or Kiehls Daily Defence

My Evening Routine:
Body Shop Camomile Silky Cleansing Oil or Vichy Beautifying Cleansing Micellar Oil- Flannel Both contain fragrance and/or irritating essential oils/extracts
CeraVe Hydrating Cleanser - Flannel It doesn’t sound like you’re getting on well with this so stop before it actually further irritates your skin.
Paula’s Choice 2% BHA. (Either the Skin Perfecting Liquid or the Clear Extra Strength Liquid as I have both in a trial size. The ingredients seem to be the same so I don’t understand what the difference is) Those two are indeed the same IIRC, there are several PC products with the same INCI but with different names, unfortunately. The PC Resist Azelaic would slip in here if you were to go with this so you’d need to hold back on these in the interim, how has this worked for you so far?
Indeed Labs Eyesilix or Kiehls Powerful Strength Line Reducing Eye Cream
Elemis HydraNourish or Origins Make A Difference Night Treatment OR one of the below moisturising treatments depending on what my skin is doing.

Aesop Parsley seed mask, LRP Serozinc, Origins Overnight moisture mask, Kiehls Midnight Recovery Oil, Una Brennan Probiotic Night Treatment, soap and glory Hot Pore declogging mask.

You may be able to reintroduce some of these 'banned' products later again but for now it's important to suss out what exactly triggers and clogs your skin.

Thanks for the very detailed response as always bo. I’ll clarify on some points.

You are right that the photos are only a record of this moment when my skin is not that bad. When it is full on shedding and peeling stage, I don’t find really anything can keep it at bay, I have to wear make up to stop it looking like a burn (was a helpfully told this) and that of course look horrendous as it all peels off in pieces the size of a 5p. Plus I have to use germolene as its painful to move my mouth and will hold my hand in front of my face which for between a few days and 2 weeks of every month is very tedious.

I have broken capillaries around my nostrils and in the supra-alar crease but my camera us incorporates this with the redness, it can’t focus enough close to my skin and I don’t want to do and can’t imagine you would want an up the nose shot.

I’m not sure if I ignored the warning signs, I felt I reacted very strongly and quickly to LG but I probably wasn’t applying it correctly. I expect I went straight in with it every day then was horrified. I also had some Bravura glycolic around the same time. I was a bloggers dream, did the well known route of, being maybe 22 and using make up wipes and a gentle face wash to discovering the ‘big’ bloggers including CH and bought everything applied it without any restraint to my probably already sensitive skin. Tingling at one point was considered a sign it was working and I would have been slapping on irritating ‘wonder’ products straight after.

I wasn’t on high fat/high protein diet. I ate for some years what is generally considered a healthy diet in that I ate mainly fruit, veg and some pulse and fish (pescatarian) but not many carbs as I was trying to avoid wheat, gluten and added sugar. The only dairy i like is some cheese and that needs a carb to really taste good which I didn’t eat. Now, I still eat a lots of fruit and veg but I also have large quantities of cereal, rice, pasta, potatoes or bread and several sugary snacks —chocolate— or some cheese. If its beige and fried I’m there. My skin is much better than in several years so although I do think my diet could be improved, what I think I was trying to emphasise in my first post was that I didn’t feel my current diet was having a particularly detrimental result on my skin but I know it isn’t good and may be a contributing factor. I am aware I cannot drink myself to hydrated skin but I know I often drink 500mls or less a day or any liquid and I need to increase this which may make some improvement to my skin.

I really like the Indeed Labs moisture Jelly. I don’t know if it actually helps the condition of my skin but since using it my skin looks much better throughout the day. I do also have a bit of a stash of it so would be happy to continue using if you think it should be ok?

This is the LRP suncream I use. Its for the face according to them.
www.laroche-posay.co.uk/product-treatments/Anthelios/Anthelios-SPF-30-Comfort-Cream-p10035.aspx

Sorry I posted without saying that I don’t mind the PC BHAs, when I’m really sore and reacting I had to stop using them as too drying and irritating but the rest of the time I think they have slightly improved congestion and skin texture although no miracles yet.

I’m also a bit unsure of what my routine should actually be then?

Something like the below?
(I’ve posted links to make sure I’ve got the right stuff/you can see the product)

Morning:
LRP Toleriane Dermo Cleanser
Paula’s Choice Resist 10% Niaminacide Booster
HA Serum (Not Aqualia clearly but what?) - Bought the Hylamide Booster Sensitive Fix Serum and the Low Molecular HA Serum the other day. Could I use one of these as both contain HA?
Indeed Labs Hydraluron Moisture Jelly or do I need to use the Eucrein Ultra Sensitive
SPF - Can I use my LRP Anthelios or should I swap to something else?

Evening
What Do I use to dissolve/remove make up? Will Toleriane do this?
LRP Toleriane Dermo Cleanser
PC Resist Skin Transforming Multi Correction Treatment with Azelaic and BHA
Paula’s Choice Resist 10% Niaminacide Booster
Indeed Labs Eyesilix
Do I then use a moisturiser or oil or anything?

Or should I do the above without the PC Nia for 2 weeks then introduce that?

Also is there anything moisturising or soothing that would be good to add in when my skin is having its bad time. I’m happy with all of the above day to day but am concerned if my skin is dry and peeling that I’m going to feel there is nothing I can put on it to soothe so will be stuck with it being painful. Do I keep putting Germolene (this contains alcohol and paraffin but it does numb the irritation) on it or use one my ‘banned’ treatments? Will that undo all your good work?

I've bought the Redermic R but will go back and swap it for something else. Is there a retinol/vit C product you suggest that I could plan to use in the future or should I try the Hylamide Sub Q?

I know water won't cure skin dehydration too btw. I do think it's beneficial though.

Has cicaplast b5 been mentioned yet Sasha? I wonder if you'd find that soothing for the sore areas. It's sold as a cream for skin irritations and contains Shea butter. I've found it very good for fading red pigmentation left by spots.

Sasha just re-read your posts and I do have a couple of thoughts.

You wrote that your job is very stressful. Is there any way you can try to mitigate this? When I'm feeling excessively stressed with life, my skin gets worse, either because I focus obsess on it and my perception gets out of whack and/or I throw inappropriately potent stuff at it and aggravate it further. I wish I knew the cure for stress, but it could be worth looking at.

Second, you mention the full on peeling occurs around the time of the month. You wrote that your skin gets tight, red and peeling, then excessively oily, and you mentioned around your nose and mouth. The "visibly dry/scaley" comment and the location of the problems got me thinking - have you looked at seborrheic dermatitis? That has the dry/red/scaling/peeling/oily combo. You mentioned that this gets worse at certain points of your cycle. To the best of my knowledge, seb derm isn't hormonally influenced, but inflammation (ie spots, congestion) is, so I wonder if you're responding to hormonal inflammation by chucking more potent product at it, which is then triggering the seb derm? The too-strong stuff could then be undermining your skin's natural barrier and causing flare-ups. Worth pointing out that seb derm can be triggered by stress also.

You may well have looked at this already and discounted it. What you wrote reminded me of when my skin was at its worst and I was basically in this depressing situation of having destroyed my skin's barrier and constant fire-fighting, but in fact exacerbating the whole thing. It's utterly exhausting.

Disclaimer - this is obviously not medical advice, just a couple of thoughts based on my personal experience.

Sorry - posted too soon - just wanted to add that you also wrote "a too keen use of liquid gold is what started my eczema type thing some years ago and its clearly never recovered". I would say almost exactly the same thing but with Retin-A - damaging my skin's barrier triggered seb derm, sensitivities to products that I'd never had a problem with previously, a permanent intolerance of certain ingredients... It's so frustrating/disorientating when you can't use products that you previously relied upon and I understand wildly trying any/everything. Honestly, if any of what I've written about my own experience resonates (and it may not!) then my advice would be to strip everything back and go for the fewest, simplest, most benign products you can find to allow your skin to recover.

Sasha, I assumed since you call it eczema it was a diagnosed condition that was being seen to by a GP (and that the Germolene was part of that). Is that the case or is it self-diagnosis and finding only Germolene working for it?

I know you mentioned suffering from severe dehydration (and that's how I responded to your form) but I suspect it's actually a compromised skin barrier now going by your added descriptors. Your skin doesn't seem to be holding on to all the extra offered moisture as a result. In this sense, mineral oil is helpful as it's so highly occlusive and since you're not having a bad reaction to it, I don't see the point in avoiding it on that basis. Counter as it may feel, you may want to incorporate more of it somewhere.

However, we're dealing with several things here, eczema (related or not to), the (assumed) permanently compromised skin barrier, SF, capillaries, hormonal spots in the chin area, sensitised skin, right? I think for now it makes the most sense to focus on the first two as without addressing that little will improve the rest, meaning you shouldn't be expecting any sort of results on the other problem areas whilst you're addressing the first two.

I think you're going to have to ignore my previous suggestions somewhat on the basis of your added information it sounds much more like we're dealing with a severely compromised skin barrier and not severe dehydration with sensitivities (which is a result of it but needs that skin barrier restoring to happen before you'll see any improvement in the latter). It means staying away from any sort of actives and booster products and taking a good look at Dulci's very helpful advice.

I'll look into specific products later today/tonight but it will definitely be a less is more scenario. Do Boots do refunds?

Well these threads are (as ever!) an education. According to the National Eczema Society, "eczema" appears to be a catch-all descriptor rather than a singular diagnosis. Contact/atopic/seborrhoeic dermatitis all being distinct types of eczema. I did not know this! How interesting. The linked page has a good description of a compromised barrier though.

bo, Dulci, Enid thanks for all the suggestions. Lots to answer. luckily I’m off work this week.

Firstly, it’s not been diagnosed as eczema. I’ve seen my GP twice. First time he said its probably just an eczema which is where I’ve got that idea from, as well as it being red, itchy and flaky and inconsistent in its flair ups. Second time, by the time my appointment came round it had calmed back down again and he said he couldn’t see anything there. My GPs solution to everything is that I’m young and healthy.

I don’t know if its seb term. For sometime I thought I had perioral dermatitis, but decided against that as I don’t get the spots. Its is only around the mouth (the area above and below) and up round to the supra-alar creases though and nowhere else on my face does this. I also went through a period of thinking I had rosacea as the redness is often triggered by temperature like cold weather or a hot shower and its worse in winter than summer. Its taken me nearly 18 months to identify that it comes on prior to my period and goes away almost as soon as that starts. Which I’ve done by reducing my products, using the same ones consistently and only changing one thing at a time. I know they aren’t the best products but its these which have much improved it to being a problem that flares up instead of being there all the time.

It will also flare up when I’m run down or ill. I would say this is probably the time when my skin is at its driest but from what I’ve read about hormonal spots this is because your skin is producing more oil and as do get those I’m not sure about it being due to dryness.

I hadn’t heard of Seb Derm until I started reading these threads and some of the pictures do look very similar. Further to Dulci’s posts I’ve just read on several sources that its common to get this on your chest, between and under your breasts which is exactly something I suffer with but I had just thought this was a continuation of the eczema. I’m not riddled with spots in the areas where it flares up but I do get the occasional spot there. My GP also saw this and said the eczema thing which actually means I’ve seen him three times with the same response.

There isn’t much I can do about the stress of my job at present. I’m planning to leave sometime this year but it won’t be for several months and it will probably become more stressful between now and May.

I’m fine with trying to strip skincare back as I’d say thats what I’d previously done and then added in products to solve specific issues. On a practicality level I do have to work, leave the house, meet people, have photos etc and for this I wear make up and don’t want to look peeling and gross all day as it will erode my self-confidence and make me feel how i am in a flare up all the time. As it is a specific area of my skin, if I remove certain products the rest of my skin will definitely suffer. I’m prepared to strip back but am concerned too few products might leave me in a worse state.

I’ve been using Vichy, Aqualia, Nip Fab Dragons Blood pads and Indeed Labs moisture jelly for close to a year as I felt I needed HA in my routine and it has helped but not enough. I only started using BHAs 3 months ago and I’d say no real change positively and no change at all negatively but the problem does persist. I’ve been using Niacinamide for 2 months as I heard it was good for pores and barrier repair which I thought the ‘eczema’ had damaged.

If any of you can work out something from this I applaud you as I’m not sure what to do at all. Should I use the B5 to repair it as Enid suggested should I stop HA altogether? I think Daktarin Gold was mentioned before, should I use that?

Sorry Dulci, I've cross posted with you. Seems like my GP isn't wrong exactly but is just 'catching it all' not actually diagnosing it specifically.

Reading your link I'd say Seb Derm seems the most likely explanation as yes if during that time of the month my skin is making more oil and that aggravates the Seb Derm which then gives the appearance of it being dry when this isn't truly the case.

I wanted to say you absolutely can have my Cosrx Blackhead stuff. PM me the details and I'll sort it out.

Every day is a school day it seems.

Worse in winter rather than summer is very common with seb derm too. This defintely can't do any harm - try compensating for the lack of sunlight by taking a Vit D supplement. Some hospitals have "medical sunbeds" (for want of a better term) to treat a range of skin issues inc psoriasis and eczema. Obviously I wouldn't suggest an actual sunbed...

Facial eczema leaflet has a good treatment plan suggestion. Mineral makeup may be an option (watch out for bismuth in the ingredients though - common irritant).

I am going to go very much against the grain here but personally I would be inclined to not use SPF while you're trying to address the immediate issues. Pick your battles. There are many potential irritants in SPFs and I'd want to let things calm right down just now. I also would not be using any potent actives, except an anti-fungal like Daktarin if you're sufficiently confident it is indeed seb derm, and/or a topical steroid cream for short term use. I see that the link above suggests BHA though.

I used to get the redness/scaling/etc primarily around my eyebrows and naso-labial folds, so the focus around the mouth does sound different. Honestly, can you go back to your GP when it's flaring up?

Hello!!! I've had some great advice on the Nip Fab pads on another thread, but have been reliably informed that you guys may be able to help me!!! My skincare is non-existent and I think I need help. I'll do the form....

Skin type: - it's generally dry, I get spots around my chin and temples sometimes, and it's ridiculously sensitive.

Approx age (range): 35

Primary skin concern: I'm getting older and it's time I started looking after myself. And my skin feels horrible at the moment - rough and tough and dry.

Routine : Currently - wash with Simple face wash gel (it's horrible), use DH's Clinique moisturiser in the morning the Clinique City block. Evening the same but with a Nip Fab pad (only started Monday).

Makeup : concealer around my nose and under my eyes. No foundation. Tinted moisturiser for special occasions.

Occasional treatments: None

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results: Clinique 3 step (horrible horrible), anything perfumey like Boots Botanics (horrible)

Things that are really working well for me now: Hmmmm. Nothing really but not using anything. I like the Dermalogica exfoliating powder but haven't got any at the moment. I'm a real face-washing junkie and I much prefer to wash it rather than use a cleanser or wipe or anything.

Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant: Allergic to nuts, and I'm really scared of the sun!

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: £10-20 if it's good!

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]: my skin is very dry and rough. I think I need better exfoliating and definitely a better moisturiser. I'm also moving somewhere hot and am keen to try a different sunscreen as I do think the City block clogs my pores (but if I had a better exfoliator/cleanser maybe it wouldn't).

I'm very excited to hear your thoughts, thank you all so much in advance!!

You do indeed learn something new every day, I had no idea there were such things as Eczema Charities. Maybe I should start a Charity for the Victims of Beauty Bloggers and/or Vloggers .

Welcome, vampire Persis , won't have time to address your form until later tonight or tomorrow but can you clarify the following:

-The specific name of N&F pads you're using and how often you're using them. (As an aside I generally steer people firmly away from N&F as they're not the best for sensitive/reactive skin and that's what we deal with most of the time on here. To start with it should only be used 1-2x a week then you build up use to 2-3x a week or 3-4x depending on skin type).

• Sorry if this inane, but is coconut (and its derivatives) also allergy inducing, or is it not a nut at all (I'm asking mostly since this in almost all cosmetics)? I'm going on the assumption that nut allergies play up on the skin too but may be completely wrong about that, I'd have to look it up. I know for gluten/wheat intolerance it's not a thing on the skin unless it's a separate condition but I think with nut oils it's a different story iirc.

• Wrt SPF, are you moving somewhere hot and humid or hot and dry? And will you be spending a lot of time outdoors, in the water, etc. or is it more likely an aircon in - brief exposure to the evil outdoors - aircon in procedure?

-Can you link the N&F thread, MN is great but advice can be very mixed and often given from one handed personal experience which is not always the most usual skincare wise as everyone has such different skin and responses to products, so it would be helpful to know what advice you've already been given.

Thanks! I would like to clarify that I'm not actually a vampire, although I feel like one often!!!

I'm moving to somewhere hot and dry, and am also going to give up work so am anticipating long days in the evil sun with the kids. Will obviously wear a hat but I really do burn easily so don't really go outdoors without SPF 30 in the winter, 50 in the summer. As I don't really wear makeup except at work I am happy to reapply sunscreen as needed - no foundation will get harmed in the process!

Coconut is fine even eaten. Peanut/Arachis oil in stuff is also ok I think - I had an eczema cream with it in that didn't work v well but I don't think I was allergic to it. I wouldn't use a face scrub with bits of nuts in it though, even shell, as I would get the heeby jeebies.

I have the standard n&f pads I think - will look when I get home. I used them in Monday night and was going to use them again tonight....maybe I will hold off!! here is my thread about them.

Thanks again!!

Are single condition charities rare on the continent, Bo? I know there are loads of single condition charities in the English speaking world but I don't know about Europe tbh. Here, they can be excellent sources of information and do a lot of good work around patient/carer advice and support, awareness-raising and can fund/commission research. It's a really valuable area!

Does anyone have an opinion on dhc deep cleansing oil?? Is fragrance free which appeals to me and not full of irritating essential oils

Oh and I'm loving the face theory moisturisers!

I found it quite heavy-textured and drying, mintmagnum, but I've tending-to-dry skin so cleansing oils aren't usually great for me anyway.