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Skincare: 12 things I've learnt

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oOJJOo · 21/02/2016 18:11

Like many of you on here, I am a huge skincare addict. Over the last few years I really got into the whole skincare blog /Caroline Hirons et al. world of balm cleansers, exfoliating toners, and £100 serums.

I am genuinely mortified to admit this but I have probably spent £1000+ on skincare these last few years, and I am by no means well-off. I have honestly tried 100s of products and brands and feel like I've had a decent insight into the whole skincare industry after months and months of 'research' on mumsnet, makeupalley, dermatology journals, and skincare blogs. My cupboards are now filled with lotions and potions, most of which are completely neglected.

So, before everyone else rushes out and does the same thing (and it seems like the popularity of these elaborate routines and skincare blogs is on the rise) I want to lay out 12 things that I've learnt.

  1. Excellent products come with all price tags - from the very cheap to the very expensive. Don't let anyone tell you that the more you spend, the better you'll get. From my experience this is not true. That said, on the whole I've found that being prepared to spend, say, £10-20 for a cleanser or a moisturiser will get you a better product than spending £4-6, as a general rule. This is not to say that great products can't be found in the cheaper range, just that there are fewer of them. The difference between a £10-20 product and a £140 product is ZERO. Once products start to get really expensive, invariably you can find a cheaper, just as good alternative, so never feel you need to spend hundreds.
  1. When choosing a product, try and see beyond the 'added extras', the nice smell and the fancy packaging. Ask yourself whether it's actually performing a function. I was smitten by lots of lovely smells and luxurious feeling creams, but they often did nothing more for my skin that a basic cream half the price and without the expensive extra ingredients.
  1. The simpler the better. Choose products without large amounts of alcohol, fragrance, essential oils. Go back to basics. Certain ingredients just work - glycerin, lactic acid etc - they have been clinically proved to do X, Y or Z, and have probably been around for years. Google around, look at ingredients lists, find out what the absolute staples of decent mositurisers/toners/cleansers are and then make sure you're choosing products with these ingredients in them, and not too many added extras. Don't be fooled by marketing spiel: there is no evidence that, say, triple-milled pearl oil or blue lotus flower extract have any benefits. You're just paying for a company trying to woo you with a fancy sounding ingredient.
  1. Be wary about trusting blogger recommendations or products endorsed in magazines or newspapers. Chances are they're in some sort of financial or mutually beneficially arrangement with the company they're promoting, so think twice before believing what they write.
  1. Simple routines work best for most skins - dry, combination and oily. I've had all of these three different skin conditions over the last five years and found that in each case, the simpler the better. Perhaps if you have a genuinely 'normal' skin type (lucky you!) then you can have an 8 product routine, but for most of us this really isn't helping. So: Get a decent cleanser and a decent moisturiser. Focus on these, first and foremost, and then add in (one by one so you can see whether they make a difference) a toner or a serum or any other extras that might target any particular skin complaints.
  1. Double-cleansing, in the sense of one cleanse to remove makeup, one to wash your actual face, makes a lot of sense. You don't need it if you're not wearing makeup or SPF, but if you only cleanse once with makeup on your face wont actually be properly cleansed. Some cleansers might be better suited to taking off makeup and others to washing your face, but work out what works for you as there is no hard and fast rule. You might find you can use the same cleanser for both steps.
  1. Face wipes/micellar waters are NOT the devil, although they shouldn't be your only cleanse. I frequently use face wipes or micellar waters for the 'first cleanse' at night and then wash my face properly with water. They're practical and cheap. Balm cleansing can be a lovely, effective and luxurious step in a skin-care routine, but more the time or cash poor - I've honestly found that there is no visible difference when I use Garnier Micellar Water (£4) than when I use Emma Hardie (£35) as the first step in my cleansing ritual.
  1. Pharmacy brands (like Eucerin, Vichy and La Roche-Posay) are better formulated and more functional/'to the point' than many more expensive brands. They conduct more research before formulating products, and don't waste much time going for swanky packaging, advertising and smells and bells. That said, I've tried bad products by all these brands, so they're by no means the definitive answer, just a general good option to explore.
  1. Learn to 'read' your own skin, to assess whether its dehydrated/sensitive/spotty etc, and then tweak your routine accordingly. Do what feels right for your skin - if something is working for you but has terrible reviews online or loads of alcohol or other such maligned ingredients - stick with it! Why change it if it's working for you?
  1. Think holistically. Often it's not the products that are the problem. Before chucking your old moisturiser and going out to buy a new one, ask whether there are lifestyle changes you can make that will have more of an impact: hot baths, diet, air conditioning, exercise, fluid consumption, general health. Address your skin more holistically before looking for the miracle cure in your products.

  2. Don't waste products - pass things on. If you've bought something and it hasn't worked out for you - why not pass it on to a friend, daughter, mother etc. and see if it works for them. Alternatively, repurpose your products - if an eye cream does nothing for you, use it up on your hands. In the long run you'll save money, and you'll feel less regret about splashing money on useless products.

  3. If you have acne/dermatitis/psoarosis go to a GP or dermatologist. You wouldn't trust Clarins to sort out a throat infection or any other medical condition, so why would you expect a beauty brand to provide expert medical advice on a skin condition. Go to the GP and get a prescription or recommendation for medically-tested, tailored products. These will contain the same ingredients that you might find in beauty brands, but without the frilly extras.

And finally, these things were true for me personally (but wont necessarily be true for you):

  • I love the idea of me sitting in a facemask on a Sunday evening. In reality I'm cleaning the kitchen, catching up on work/emails and spending time with my family. I never use masks or peels or any of the 'one off' type products i bought. They sit gathering dust on the shelf. In fact, beyond face moisturiser, cleanser, hydrating toner and lip balm, I don't really use any of the skincare extras I bought - no liquid gold, no over-night treatments, no oils (although some might use them in lieu of a moisturiser).
  • I don't need a 'day' and 'night' cream but have just the one which I use for both. I do see the argument for having two, but personally I don't.
  • Eye creams are just more expensive, smaller pots of exactly the same bunch of ingredients in a face cream. I have repurposed all my eye creams on my neck and won't ever buy an eye cream again.
  • acid toners seemed to exacerbate my spots and I now avoid them altogether. Friends have found the same thing.
  • Most hydrating toners are useless, but find a cheapish one that doesn't irritate your skin and it can be a useful makeup base
  • water sprays are nonsense and completely useless (e.g. Vichy/Avene Eau thermal etc.)
  • no targeted spot cream made any difference to the size or speed of disappearance of my spots. And trust me, I tried EVERYTHING. See point 15 above - if spots are really bothering you, go to the GP.

AND, here is an initial list of 'raved about' products that I tried and didn't rate:

Caudalie Eau de beauté
Dior rose lip balm
The Body Shop camomile cleansing balm and oil
Most Omorovicza products (apart from the charcoal cleansing balm which was nice but £££)
Sunday Riley active eye cream
Clinique 3 step program (most of the skincare is rubbish imho)
Zelens - fine but overpriced
Most expensive brands from Cult Beauty/ Space NK e.g. Revive, Algenist, Goldfaden, Strivectin
Eve Lom cleansing balm
Oskia renaissance cleansing balm (meh)
All the Diptyque skincare range I tried
REN glycolic mask; Oskia renaissance mask
Clarins lotion cleansers (so many better alternatives for a fraction of the price)
ALL expensive cleansing wipes
Elizabeth Arden 8 hour cream
Any/all creams designed for stretch marks/cellulite/fat - none of them work and its frankly immoral that brands play on women's insecurities to tout bs products that evidently don't work. At best, some moisturiser might help the appearance of your skin, and keeping your skin in a decent condition will help with the natural fading process of stretch marks, but for that you only need a basic, budget moisturiser.

I could go on for days... (Sorry for the already mammoth post!)

Let me know if you disagree with this (I'm sure many of you will!) Clearly these are my own personal findings and won't be true for everyone.

Likewise, feel free to ask about specific products - chances are I've probably I tried it and have an opinion on it!

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Missionitreat · 22/02/2016 10:30

I've had to bin my superdrug vit e cleanser, it seemed fine at first then bam, horrid pimply red skin. I have reintroduced it a few times since just to be sure and I react every time so I have now binned it. I like the lrp gel they have discontinued. I still have a bit left. This morning I've just swiped with micellar water. No moisturiser yet. I'm at home with poorly DS so will go product free. If my face feels tight I will use a few drops of clarin lotus oil.

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madmomma · 22/02/2016 13:46

I broadly agree with your beauty synopsis Op, and like you I've battered the skincare as a hobby. My skin was doing great on a few classic products, then I started farting about with stuff recommended on blogs etc and I've now got acne scarring from my first ever bout of acne at 37! Mainly through using stuff that's too rich and also from the chemical exfoliating. I've now used up all the expensive stuff and am firmly back on to my old staples. I'm hoping the scarring will disappear eventually. I've certainly learned my lesson!

madmomma · 22/02/2016 13:47

The most important message I want to pass on is if it ain't broke don't fix it!

oOJJOo · 22/02/2016 14:53

Great to hear everybody’s thoughts…

SaltySeaBird I haven’t tried Lancôme Genifique serum… My thoughts would be that make-up brands like Lancôme aren’t really the skincare ‘experts’ if you see what I mean, and are more focused on making products that are luxurious to use, rather than functional. I’ve tried other products from their range and wasn’t bowled over. I should think the serum is probably perfectly nice, but I bet you could get a serum for a fraction of the price that would do the same thing, so basically just depends how much you’re happy to spend and what you want from a product. As for the fine lines - you want a really decent, heavy-duty moisturiser, and look for products with glycolic or lactic acid in them (or retinol). Again, anything purporting to have unique anti-ageing ingredients is probably spouting rubbish, so just check the ingredients lists and get something which will have humectants (moisturisers) and some form of acid. Alternatively - rosehip oil is great - I love the Pai one (c. £20), but there are cheaper versions out there. I would bet you’d get much the same results from the Lancome serum as from a bottle of humble rosehip oil. I don’t know about you, but I also think there’s something quite nice and self-loving about taking the time to massage an oil in before bed, rather than swiping on a layer of serum, and I’m sure the ritual massage is good for your skin in its own way.

Howmanyminutes it sounds like we have very similar skin, and I completely agree with all of your findings - acid toners are a no for me, hydraluron did nothing, I avoid most oils but love rosehip, gentle products work best, and less is more. What products are you currently using out of interest?

madmomma I completely agree - I think the fun of tinkering around with new products/treating yourself to a new serum etc. etc. is completely outweighed by the fact that most skins basically hate being played around with! Not very fun or glamorous, but a handful of simple, effective products is the answer, as well as all the lifestyle stuff we’ve discussed so far.

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natcat7000 · 22/02/2016 17:10

Very helpful, thanks for this post.

I am dabbling in skincare now that I'm getting older. It is a bit addictive and I do get swayed by the hype now and again. I am generally trying to keep it simple though. Also trying to keep the exposure to unnecessary chemicals/parabens/blah blah to a minimum.

My skin wants to break out at any opportunity. It's been oily most of my life but now dealing with dry/dehydration.

I love Liz Earle Cleanse and Polish as it's never given me spots. I love rosehip oil and, lately, been loving jojoba oil as it doesn't react badly with my skin at all. I mix these with a bit of Decleor neroli oil which smells gorgeous. Still trying to find the best moisturiser. Alba Botanica coconut lip balm is the best I've tried. I like Serozinc when I'm breaking out.

Hated Emma Hardie (broke me out), Body Shop Chamomile oil (same) and the Oskia Rennaissance didn't work well either.

Bummer, just seen you don't rate the Elemis tri enzyme mask which I've just bought. Guess we'll see.

yumscrumfatbum · 22/02/2016 17:23

Does anyone have any views on the Paula's Choice range? I have become uber sensitive to all the products I have been using for years in recent years I have used Clinique and Liz Earle predominantly. I have red patchy skin between my nose and mouth and my skin is dry and flakey. I have developed chelitis in the last few years and can no longer wear lipstick at all. I had bad eczema as a child and my skin has always been super dry. I am currently using E45 only on my face and micellar water to cleanse which doesn't leave my skin stinging. However I am really need an SPF in my moisturizer. Am considering giving Paula's choice a whirl?

oOJJOo · 22/02/2016 17:23

natcat Sounds good :-) Btw, if it's any consolation, I thought the mask was quite effective as a mask - I just really didn't like the feeling of having the sticky gloop all over my face while I wore it (same goes for the Oskia renaissance once.) In terms of the ingredients themselves - from memory I think it had gylcolic acid in it - in which case you can't go that wrong. Let us know how you get on!

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oOJJOo · 22/02/2016 17:26

p.s. on the whole I do actually quite like Elemis - I just think they're over-priced like so many good brands. I got a whole bunch of travel sizes and have liked a lot of them as luxury products for now and then!

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marghini · 22/02/2016 17:33

yum I have been using Paula's Choice products for a couple of months and I am honestly hooked forever. I have never ever seen such a positive difference in my skin.

I use the 2% BHA Liquid and the Balance Antioxidant Serum with Retinol every night before bed.

While my skin was never problematic, using PC's products it is now really flawless and glowy. The black heads on my nose disappeared completely. My nose used to get a bit oily during the day, not my skin is totally normal without any oiliness.

I strongly reccommend Paula's Choice Smile

RayFuckingPurchase · 22/02/2016 17:39

I'm with Marghini. You can contact them and have them recommend products if you have specific concerns. They'll often send you samples. Not cheap but sciencey thus effective.

TurnipCake · 22/02/2016 17:46

yum I've been using Paula's Choice products for a month now (BHA 2%, Vitamin C serum and trial size retinol) and no other skincare brand has made such a difference, to getting rid of my acne and putting back some much needed glow

I wanted to dislike the product range because I always thought Beautypedia was a bit suss (I've read Paula no longer has anything to do with BP) but I was very pleasantly surprised.

Their customer service is very professional too

yumscrumfatbum · 22/02/2016 17:47

I think I might give the PC trial a go and focus on the eczema/dryness angle thank you!

Yellowgold · 22/02/2016 18:23

Great post. Some v good tips. Thanks for sharing. Any chance you tried the very popular Estée Lauder Advanced Night serum? Is it worth all the hype?

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Kennington · 22/02/2016 18:37

I oil cleanse to remove make up then use bar soap on nose - never had a problem and blackheads are gone.
Acid tone - anything with salicylic and glycolic 2 or 3 times per week.
Use grapeseed oil as a moisturiser.
Agree that we should read the ingrediants! So simple and effective I lnowig what works.
Too many products break me out and cause blackheads and spots. I like to keep skin care to an absolute minimum.
Skin is v good now fortunately.

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ApplesTheHare · 22/02/2016 19:05

Thanks for this thread OP. Everything you have to say is very interesting and you write very well indeed Smile

ApplesTheHare · 22/02/2016 19:10

Oops posted too soon!

I also meant to say that I've just run out of Kiehls moisturiser (I just use one for day and night, with a serum thrown in every now and again) and although it's helped me battle central-heating-related dryness over winter I'm now looking for something that's not so greasy, as it also caused a few breakouts.

Any suggestions for a moisturiser intensive enough to combat dry skin but which doesn't cause breakouts?

oldlaundbooth · 22/02/2016 19:11

Worked in skincare for a while in a large store that stocked everything from Nivea to Guerlain.

Tried literally every single product that they held.

Conclusion?

Cheap is as good as the expensive stuff. And less is more.

Drinking water is the best potion!

oldlaundbooth · 22/02/2016 19:13

Lottapianos

I drink at least two litres of water, if not more. And three cups weak herbal tea. Also two coffees per day (bad)

No alcohol.

It works, it really does. I look dry and old if I don't drink enough water.

Destinysdaughter · 22/02/2016 19:19

Re old's post, a while ago they were testing Creme de la Mer v Astral on This Morning and guess which came out best...?

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madmomma · 22/02/2016 19:50

Hmm that's interesting how about sunflower oil being so good for sensitive skin. Most posh facial oils seem to be predominantly sunflower. They smell nicer though!