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Skincare: 12 things I've learnt

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oOJJOo · 21/02/2016 18:11

Like many of you on here, I am a huge skincare addict. Over the last few years I really got into the whole skincare blog /Caroline Hirons et al. world of balm cleansers, exfoliating toners, and £100 serums.

I am genuinely mortified to admit this but I have probably spent £1000+ on skincare these last few years, and I am by no means well-off. I have honestly tried 100s of products and brands and feel like I've had a decent insight into the whole skincare industry after months and months of 'research' on mumsnet, makeupalley, dermatology journals, and skincare blogs. My cupboards are now filled with lotions and potions, most of which are completely neglected.

So, before everyone else rushes out and does the same thing (and it seems like the popularity of these elaborate routines and skincare blogs is on the rise) I want to lay out 12 things that I've learnt.

  1. Excellent products come with all price tags - from the very cheap to the very expensive. Don't let anyone tell you that the more you spend, the better you'll get. From my experience this is not true. That said, on the whole I've found that being prepared to spend, say, £10-20 for a cleanser or a moisturiser will get you a better product than spending £4-6, as a general rule. This is not to say that great products can't be found in the cheaper range, just that there are fewer of them. The difference between a £10-20 product and a £140 product is ZERO. Once products start to get really expensive, invariably you can find a cheaper, just as good alternative, so never feel you need to spend hundreds.


  1. When choosing a product, try and see beyond the 'added extras', the nice smell and the fancy packaging. Ask yourself whether it's actually performing a function. I was smitten by lots of lovely smells and luxurious feeling creams, but they often did nothing more for my skin that a basic cream half the price and without the expensive extra ingredients.


  1. The simpler the better. Choose products without large amounts of alcohol, fragrance, essential oils. Go back to basics. Certain ingredients just work - glycerin, lactic acid etc - they have been clinically proved to do X, Y or Z, and have probably been around for years. Google around, look at ingredients lists, find out what the absolute staples of decent mositurisers/toners/cleansers are and then make sure you're choosing products with these ingredients in them, and not too many added extras. Don't be fooled by marketing spiel: there is no evidence that, say, triple-milled pearl oil or blue lotus flower extract have any benefits. You're just paying for a company trying to woo you with a fancy sounding ingredient.


  1. Be wary about trusting blogger recommendations or products endorsed in magazines or newspapers. Chances are they're in some sort of financial or mutually beneficially arrangement with the company they're promoting, so think twice before believing what they write.


  1. Simple routines work best for most skins - dry, combination and oily. I've had all of these three different skin conditions over the last five years and found that in each case, the simpler the better. Perhaps if you have a genuinely 'normal' skin type (lucky you!) then you can have an 8 product routine, but for most of us this really isn't helping. So: Get a decent cleanser and a decent moisturiser. Focus on these, first and foremost, and then add in (one by one so you can see whether they make a difference) a toner or a serum or any other extras that might target any particular skin complaints.


  1. Double-cleansing, in the sense of one cleanse to remove makeup, one to wash your actual face, makes a lot of sense. You don't need it if you're not wearing makeup or SPF, but if you only cleanse once with makeup on your face wont actually be properly cleansed. Some cleansers might be better suited to taking off makeup and others to washing your face, but work out what works for you as there is no hard and fast rule. You might find you can use the same cleanser for both steps.


  1. Face wipes/micellar waters are NOT the devil, although they shouldn't be your only cleanse. I frequently use face wipes or micellar waters for the 'first cleanse' at night and then wash my face properly with water. They're practical and cheap. Balm cleansing can be a lovely, effective and luxurious step in a skin-care routine, but more the time or cash poor - I've honestly found that there is no visible difference when I use Garnier Micellar Water (£4) than when I use Emma Hardie (£35) as the first step in my cleansing ritual.


  1. Pharmacy brands (like Eucerin, Vichy and La Roche-Posay) are better formulated and more functional/'to the point' than many more expensive brands. They conduct more research before formulating products, and don't waste much time going for swanky packaging, advertising and smells and bells. That said, I've tried bad products by all these brands, so they're by no means the definitive answer, just a general good option to explore.


  1. Learn to 'read' your own skin, to assess whether its dehydrated/sensitive/spotty etc, and then tweak your routine accordingly. Do what feels right for your skin - if something is working for you but has terrible reviews online or loads of alcohol or other such maligned ingredients - stick with it! Why change it if it's working for you?


10. Think holistically. Often it's not the products that are the problem. Before chucking your old moisturiser and going out to buy a new one, ask whether there are lifestyle changes you can make that will have more of an impact: hot baths, diet, air conditioning, exercise, fluid consumption, general health. Address your skin more holistically before looking for the miracle cure in your products.

11. Don't waste products - pass things on. If you've bought something and it hasn't worked out for you - why not pass it on to a friend, daughter, mother etc. and see if it works for them. Alternatively, repurpose your products - if an eye cream does nothing for you, use it up on your hands. In the long run you'll save money, and you'll feel less regret about splashing money on useless products.

12. If you have acne/dermatitis/psoarosis go to a GP or dermatologist. You wouldn't trust Clarins to sort out a throat infection or any other medical condition, so why would you expect a beauty brand to provide expert medical advice on a skin condition. Go to the GP and get a prescription or recommendation for medically-tested, tailored products. These will contain the same ingredients that you might find in beauty brands, but without the frilly extras.

And finally, these things were true for me personally (but wont necessarily be true for you):

  • I love the idea of me sitting in a facemask on a Sunday evening. In reality I'm cleaning the kitchen, catching up on work/emails and spending time with my family. I never use masks or peels or any of the 'one off' type products i bought. They sit gathering dust on the shelf. In fact, beyond face moisturiser, cleanser, hydrating toner and lip balm, I don't really use any of the skincare extras I bought - no liquid gold, no over-night treatments, no oils (although some might use them in lieu of a moisturiser).
  • I don't need a 'day' and 'night' cream but have just the one which I use for both. I do see the argument for having two, but personally I don't.
  • Eye creams are just more expensive, smaller pots of exactly the same bunch of ingredients in a face cream. I have repurposed all my eye creams on my neck and won't ever buy an eye cream again.
  • acid toners seemed to exacerbate my spots and I now avoid them altogether. Friends have found the same thing.
  • Most hydrating toners are useless, but find a cheapish one that doesn't irritate your skin and it can be a useful makeup base
  • water sprays are nonsense and completely useless (e.g. Vichy/Avene Eau thermal etc.)
  • no targeted spot cream made any difference to the size or speed of disappearance of my spots. And trust me, I tried EVERYTHING. See point 15 above - if spots are really bothering you, go to the GP.



AND, here is an initial list of 'raved about' products that I tried and didn't rate:

Caudalie Eau de beauté
Dior rose lip balm
The Body Shop camomile cleansing balm and oil
Most Omorovicza products (apart from the charcoal cleansing balm which was nice but £££)
Sunday Riley active eye cream
Clinique 3 step program (most of the skincare is rubbish imho)
Zelens - fine but overpriced
Most expensive brands from Cult Beauty/ Space NK e.g. Revive, Algenist, Goldfaden, Strivectin
Eve Lom cleansing balm
Oskia renaissance cleansing balm (meh)
All the Diptyque skincare range I tried
REN glycolic mask; Oskia renaissance mask
Clarins lotion cleansers (so many better alternatives for a fraction of the price)
ALL expensive cleansing wipes
Elizabeth Arden 8 hour cream
Any/all creams designed for stretch marks/cellulite/fat - none of them work and its frankly immoral that brands play on women's insecurities to tout bs products that evidently don't work. At best, some moisturiser might help the appearance of your skin, and keeping your skin in a decent condition will help with the natural fading process of stretch marks, but for that you only need a basic, budget moisturiser.

I could go on for days... (Sorry for the already mammoth post!)

Let me know if you disagree with this (I'm sure many of you will!) Clearly these are my own personal findings and won't be true for everyone.

Likewise, feel free to ask about specific products - chances are I've probably I tried it and have an opinion on it!
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Nabootique · 24/02/2016 14:33

Ah, shame, although I would see if you can try out the Pixi one in an M&S because it does have oils in and is actually quite moisturising. I could skip moisturiser after it, personally.

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Ringsender2 · 24/02/2016 15:37

If I put a photo of my skin would someone have a stab at suggesting good products /regime? It's a disaster. I look about 10-15 years older than I am. Am in sleep deficit, which really makes a difference (= v ageing if not enough sleep! (

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Destinysdaughter · 24/02/2016 19:31

Have a go, but remember none of us are experts! If your skin is really bad maybe a dermatologist is your best bet? Or start your own thread? X

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DetoxWithChocs · 25/02/2016 00:29

I've used the indeed labs hydraluron. Haven't noticed it doing anything for my skin. But Dr Organic's snail gel (also contains hyaluronic acid) leaves my skin feeling wonderfully soft. Also noticed that spots healed a bit faster while using it.

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SuperFlyHigh · 25/02/2016 13:42

Ok my mum and grandma but also had good genes swore by:-

Staying out of sun on face use a good spf when in sun
Good diet with avocados etc
Minimal drinking alcohol and smoking if at all
Nana cleansed with ponds cold cream and moisturised with most moisturisers but nothing posh
Mum used Nivea creme now uses loreal anti ageing, I think she uses soap and water to clean

I generally use boots products ( not their range and currently Olay hydrating moisturiser. Spf 50 on top as prefer to add my own. Face scrub 1 X a week or 2 X mask rarely. I use wipes in evening face wash mornings and look apparently 15 years younger no wrinkles.

Would love to try acid toners etc but worry they'd break me out wasted £20/£30 on DDH oil cleanser which broke me out and after a month not improved! Eye creams a dermatology person I knew said don't bother use moisturiser but saw a good Paulas choice one on her site. I do use neals yard rose oil as it feels nice and I think helps.

I do sometimes worry about women who spend a lot on skincare but hey it's their skin and purses. Men don't seem to have same attitude!

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SuperFlyHigh · 25/02/2016 13:50

OP also your derm is wrong uva rays are present and cause ageing even on cold cloudy days.

I googled it to make sure all advice said to use spf in winter in uk.

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oOJJOo · 25/02/2016 16:54

SuperFlyHigh

Yes, UV rays are present in the winter, even on cloudy days. All natural light is composed of UV rays, isn't it? In any case, that's not really what the dermatologist was saying... She was addressing my personal skin issue (i have bad acne), saying that if I'm getting acne from using SPF in the wintertime, then the delayed (fairly minor) damage caused by the UV rays is outweighed by the immediate damage caused by spots (emotional, quality of life etc.) She also said I'm not going to massively increase my chances of getting skin cancer from not wearing SPF in UK winter. She was an NHS dermatologist and I'm inclined to trust her opinion on the matter, although clearly her advice was targeting towards my individual concerns and not towards everybody in all cases. I would add that for me personally I'm not all that bothered about a certain amount of skin ageing/wrinkles etc., it's more a question of general skin health (i.e. not getting skin cancer).

Re: your comment "I do sometimes worry about women who spend a lot on skincare but hey it's their skin and purses. Men don't seem to have same attitude!" I think it really depends... If women are spending lots of money on skincare because of a crippling fear of ageing or looking ugly then yes - I think it's worrying, and there is a broader feminist issue behind it about societal pressure on women to look a certain way.

On the other hand, if it's just that women enjoy skincare as a hobby, for the enjoyment of a bit of self-pampering/harmless vanity (just as you might about clothes or makeup) then it's not really worrying per se... It's no different to how some men might spend a large amount of money on their hobbies e.g. buying a mountain bike or a season ticket to a football team or whatever.

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oOJJOo · 25/02/2016 16:55

(Also - by minor damage I mean compared to the major damage of baking in the sunshine in the summer!)

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Destinysdaughter · 25/02/2016 17:22

So today I bought some Krill oil and some vitamin C, going to take them religiously for the next month to see if they make any difference to my skin!

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SuperFlyHigh · 25/02/2016 17:37

OP I wasn't overtly criticising your spending on skincare (God knows I've spent enough myself!) I just think we're fed lots of lines how X, y and z works and really it doesn't not much. Any derm worth their salt will tell you that.

If it's to make you and your skin feel and look better then fine but don't expect a mass reduction in wrinkles. Though I'd never have it I'd advocate Botox instead.

One article did say we need 20 mins of sunshine for vitamin d intake.

I think (I belong to Mrs Gloss and the Goss on FB) that some women believe the sales hype and that it will cure all whereas a lot won't. I got so fed up of them changing a Lancôme moisturiser I liked when I was 18 or so then a Clinique one had only spf25 that I went back to basics and pared down.

And yes my comment relates more to s crippling fear of ageing and looking ugly but also for younger women who buy more into the spend more luxe products market.

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SuperFlyHigh · 25/02/2016 17:40

PS op your spf well if it's been explained to you and you're not worried re wrinkles etc then that's fine just the same isn't true for everyone.

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NigellasGuest · 25/02/2016 17:49

Does anyone know whether any products are actually effective for firming the skin, or is that just impossible?

I have also experimented a lot - I love Good Genes but it's very pricey, also a couple of Neals Yard products (rose balm, and their oils). I like Clarins Lotus Oil,but none of their moisturisers or serums, and IMO Beauty Flash Balm (or whatever it's called) is useless. I also have some Skinceuticals samples of the ferulic serum (would not buy it because it's really pricey). I also like Cetaphil cleanser and Waitrose Pure (I think OP mentioned this) and actually I love the Emma Hardie balm but agree it's overpriced and would love to work out how to make a balm myself! I have used RetinA for ages and apply this every other night.

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oOJJOo · 25/02/2016 17:53

SuperFlyHigh Yes, sorry, I wasn't meaning to sound as defensive as I did! I do actually feel quite guilty deep down about having spent so much so I'm just projecting that onto you!

And yes, I completely agree that we really don't need to spend much on lotions and potions to have a decent, functional skincare routine - unfortunately it has cost me a lot of money to work that out.

I know this has been said before and is hardly a revolutionary comment, but I really do think the beauty industry exploits women's insecurities for profit. It seems like increasingly they're trying to do the same with men, and judging by the massive boom in that industry, it's obviously working. It's completely unethical, particularly when they're marketing moisturisers to enlarge your breasts/cellulite removal creams etc. at young, vulnerable girls. The industry as a whole is systematically misogynist, racist, fat-shaming (and so on and so forth!) Even campaigns trying to promote 'beauty in all shapes and sizes and colours' are basically trying to cash in on equality movement trends - which in itself is pretty grim.

That said, despite the industry itself, on a personal level I really do love the pampering element of having a skincare routine. Every evening before I go to bed I take my makeup off/put on some cream and it is a little moment of 'looking after myself' (cringe though that sounds!) I also quite enjoy the challenge of trying to discern what's crap and what's not (via. learning about product ingredients/reading online articles and dermatology journals). It's a bit sad but I genuinely quite enjoy the whole process of looking into what works and what doesn't, and then looking on in bemusement at how companies spin their (often useless!) products. But yeah, as I say, given that there's often a negative side to that, and people are spending their money in a trusting way, I would far rather a more honest and transparent industry existed...

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oOJJOo · 25/02/2016 17:57

And yes - re: SPF, I should have made that clear - I'm not promoting other people don't wear SPF in the winter, I'm saying that for me, weighing it up with the acne-issue, I choose not to.

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Missionitreat · 25/02/2016 18:52

Perhaps a lot of really good products don't work to their full potential until you have spent a while looking after your skin properly for a month or so at least. Then once your skin is primed and prepped from a basic and simple routine then all the expensive serums and acids etc will probably work better.

Imagine perhaps an old wooden chair sitting outside for ages with paint peeling off etc. You bring it inside and sand it off (ie basic skin care) then you apply a primer ready for your paint, then gloss then ta da perfect chair.

You wouldn't paint over the existing peeling paint iykwim.

It's just a thought.

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SuperFlyHigh · 25/02/2016 19:17

I swear and try to follow advice on avocados, nuts, olive oil, fruit and veg etc as I swear my skin looks better following s more clean diet.

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SuperFlyHigh · 25/02/2016 19:17

Swear by I mean!

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Missionitreat · 25/02/2016 19:26

A good diet will always help. Everyone has different skin that has been weathered in different ways at different stages of their lives so I guess just a good basic daily beauty regime day and night is imperative.
And if you want to target certain issues then the products are out there you just have to decide which is best to work on your prepped canvas (face)
As most of us haven't a clue since time began we look to personal recommendations, trial and error, beauty magazines, shops, and now bloggers which are more immediate and give us very up to date information.
Bloggers just happen to be the most modern way of conveying the information for the beauty industry to the masses.
It's a newish concept so it will have its teething problems which is what we are all so cross about. Being bombarded with products, and there are now so very many, by bloggers who yes are making a tidy profit from it all by possibly being disingenuous so they get their cut. Same as I guess the magazine industry would have.

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SuperFlyHigh · 25/02/2016 19:31

missionitreat I was in boots today and interesting how lots of the acid stuff (nip and fab glycolic peel pads) are targeted at oily skin so potentially if you have dry/combi/Normal skin you could cause breakouts. Personally what's out there still confuses me! Have got a friend who swears by posh skincare, boots no 7 serum and Botox. She looks good but you can tell she has lines from smoking.

I personally distrust bloggers unless they're unaffiliated and even then take at face value. And research before buying (or try to).

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Missionitreat · 25/02/2016 20:20

I'm more than happy with CH advice regardless of whether she is affiliated to certain products or not as I have been slowly working out what I need and doing the relevant research and not expecting miracles.
MN has been invaluable for ideas and sifting through what may or may not work for me.
I ask a lot of friends what their routines are which also helps although my skin is very temperamental.
My skin type has changed since last year when it was quite congested and needed the help of effeclar duo, salycic acid etc. I don't need that now as my skin has improved dramatically so it's pretty normal just a bit sensitive so I need to find what right for that and just get it perfectly smooth and clear if that's possible.

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TelephoneIgnoringMachine · 26/02/2016 23:25

I was thinking of trying the Liz Earle stuff until a PP mentioned it had clogged her face up. So I looked at the ingredients online (of the items for oily / combination skin) & ta dah, one of the main ingredients, wheat germ oil. Highest score on the comedogenic ratings list. So I'm going to try making my own. I already did this, with AV gel & oils, but it separates a little after a week or two. I suspect I'd be less irritated with a product I need to re-mix every month or do, to a more expensive version that doesn't work as well. I'm also looking into emulsifying agents to stop the splitting problem.

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houseHuntinginmanchester · 08/03/2016 15:22

Hello op and everyone else! I've been lurking and taking notes Grin

I have mild acne but very stubborn and am on anti biotics for it at the mo - I've started using bp again although very sparingly, it still dries up my skin. I don't usually need a moisturiser but do need one with the bp.

Can anyone reccomend me something that is acne-proof and won't break me out please? I have no idea where to look/brands because as I said I usually never bother with moisturiser on my quite oily skin.

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