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Skincare: 12 things I've learnt

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oOJJOo · 21/02/2016 18:11

Like many of you on here, I am a huge skincare addict. Over the last few years I really got into the whole skincare blog /Caroline Hirons et al. world of balm cleansers, exfoliating toners, and £100 serums.

I am genuinely mortified to admit this but I have probably spent £1000+ on skincare these last few years, and I am by no means well-off. I have honestly tried 100s of products and brands and feel like I've had a decent insight into the whole skincare industry after months and months of 'research' on mumsnet, makeupalley, dermatology journals, and skincare blogs. My cupboards are now filled with lotions and potions, most of which are completely neglected.

So, before everyone else rushes out and does the same thing (and it seems like the popularity of these elaborate routines and skincare blogs is on the rise) I want to lay out 12 things that I've learnt.

  1. Excellent products come with all price tags - from the very cheap to the very expensive. Don't let anyone tell you that the more you spend, the better you'll get. From my experience this is not true. That said, on the whole I've found that being prepared to spend, say, £10-20 for a cleanser or a moisturiser will get you a better product than spending £4-6, as a general rule. This is not to say that great products can't be found in the cheaper range, just that there are fewer of them. The difference between a £10-20 product and a £140 product is ZERO. Once products start to get really expensive, invariably you can find a cheaper, just as good alternative, so never feel you need to spend hundreds.
  1. When choosing a product, try and see beyond the 'added extras', the nice smell and the fancy packaging. Ask yourself whether it's actually performing a function. I was smitten by lots of lovely smells and luxurious feeling creams, but they often did nothing more for my skin that a basic cream half the price and without the expensive extra ingredients.
  1. The simpler the better. Choose products without large amounts of alcohol, fragrance, essential oils. Go back to basics. Certain ingredients just work - glycerin, lactic acid etc - they have been clinically proved to do X, Y or Z, and have probably been around for years. Google around, look at ingredients lists, find out what the absolute staples of decent mositurisers/toners/cleansers are and then make sure you're choosing products with these ingredients in them, and not too many added extras. Don't be fooled by marketing spiel: there is no evidence that, say, triple-milled pearl oil or blue lotus flower extract have any benefits. You're just paying for a company trying to woo you with a fancy sounding ingredient.
  1. Be wary about trusting blogger recommendations or products endorsed in magazines or newspapers. Chances are they're in some sort of financial or mutually beneficially arrangement with the company they're promoting, so think twice before believing what they write.
  1. Simple routines work best for most skins - dry, combination and oily. I've had all of these three different skin conditions over the last five years and found that in each case, the simpler the better. Perhaps if you have a genuinely 'normal' skin type (lucky you!) then you can have an 8 product routine, but for most of us this really isn't helping. So: Get a decent cleanser and a decent moisturiser. Focus on these, first and foremost, and then add in (one by one so you can see whether they make a difference) a toner or a serum or any other extras that might target any particular skin complaints.
  1. Double-cleansing, in the sense of one cleanse to remove makeup, one to wash your actual face, makes a lot of sense. You don't need it if you're not wearing makeup or SPF, but if you only cleanse once with makeup on your face wont actually be properly cleansed. Some cleansers might be better suited to taking off makeup and others to washing your face, but work out what works for you as there is no hard and fast rule. You might find you can use the same cleanser for both steps.
  1. Face wipes/micellar waters are NOT the devil, although they shouldn't be your only cleanse. I frequently use face wipes or micellar waters for the 'first cleanse' at night and then wash my face properly with water. They're practical and cheap. Balm cleansing can be a lovely, effective and luxurious step in a skin-care routine, but more the time or cash poor - I've honestly found that there is no visible difference when I use Garnier Micellar Water (£4) than when I use Emma Hardie (£35) as the first step in my cleansing ritual.
  1. Pharmacy brands (like Eucerin, Vichy and La Roche-Posay) are better formulated and more functional/'to the point' than many more expensive brands. They conduct more research before formulating products, and don't waste much time going for swanky packaging, advertising and smells and bells. That said, I've tried bad products by all these brands, so they're by no means the definitive answer, just a general good option to explore.
  1. Learn to 'read' your own skin, to assess whether its dehydrated/sensitive/spotty etc, and then tweak your routine accordingly. Do what feels right for your skin - if something is working for you but has terrible reviews online or loads of alcohol or other such maligned ingredients - stick with it! Why change it if it's working for you?
  1. Think holistically. Often it's not the products that are the problem. Before chucking your old moisturiser and going out to buy a new one, ask whether there are lifestyle changes you can make that will have more of an impact: hot baths, diet, air conditioning, exercise, fluid consumption, general health. Address your skin more holistically before looking for the miracle cure in your products.

  2. Don't waste products - pass things on. If you've bought something and it hasn't worked out for you - why not pass it on to a friend, daughter, mother etc. and see if it works for them. Alternatively, repurpose your products - if an eye cream does nothing for you, use it up on your hands. In the long run you'll save money, and you'll feel less regret about splashing money on useless products.

  3. If you have acne/dermatitis/psoarosis go to a GP or dermatologist. You wouldn't trust Clarins to sort out a throat infection or any other medical condition, so why would you expect a beauty brand to provide expert medical advice on a skin condition. Go to the GP and get a prescription or recommendation for medically-tested, tailored products. These will contain the same ingredients that you might find in beauty brands, but without the frilly extras.

And finally, these things were true for me personally (but wont necessarily be true for you):

  • I love the idea of me sitting in a facemask on a Sunday evening. In reality I'm cleaning the kitchen, catching up on work/emails and spending time with my family. I never use masks or peels or any of the 'one off' type products i bought. They sit gathering dust on the shelf. In fact, beyond face moisturiser, cleanser, hydrating toner and lip balm, I don't really use any of the skincare extras I bought - no liquid gold, no over-night treatments, no oils (although some might use them in lieu of a moisturiser).
  • I don't need a 'day' and 'night' cream but have just the one which I use for both. I do see the argument for having two, but personally I don't.
  • Eye creams are just more expensive, smaller pots of exactly the same bunch of ingredients in a face cream. I have repurposed all my eye creams on my neck and won't ever buy an eye cream again.
  • acid toners seemed to exacerbate my spots and I now avoid them altogether. Friends have found the same thing.
  • Most hydrating toners are useless, but find a cheapish one that doesn't irritate your skin and it can be a useful makeup base
  • water sprays are nonsense and completely useless (e.g. Vichy/Avene Eau thermal etc.)
  • no targeted spot cream made any difference to the size or speed of disappearance of my spots. And trust me, I tried EVERYTHING. See point 15 above - if spots are really bothering you, go to the GP.

AND, here is an initial list of 'raved about' products that I tried and didn't rate:

Caudalie Eau de beauté
Dior rose lip balm
The Body Shop camomile cleansing balm and oil
Most Omorovicza products (apart from the charcoal cleansing balm which was nice but £££)
Sunday Riley active eye cream
Clinique 3 step program (most of the skincare is rubbish imho)
Zelens - fine but overpriced
Most expensive brands from Cult Beauty/ Space NK e.g. Revive, Algenist, Goldfaden, Strivectin
Eve Lom cleansing balm
Oskia renaissance cleansing balm (meh)
All the Diptyque skincare range I tried
REN glycolic mask; Oskia renaissance mask
Clarins lotion cleansers (so many better alternatives for a fraction of the price)
ALL expensive cleansing wipes
Elizabeth Arden 8 hour cream
Any/all creams designed for stretch marks/cellulite/fat - none of them work and its frankly immoral that brands play on women's insecurities to tout bs products that evidently don't work. At best, some moisturiser might help the appearance of your skin, and keeping your skin in a decent condition will help with the natural fading process of stretch marks, but for that you only need a basic, budget moisturiser.

I could go on for days... (Sorry for the already mammoth post!)

Let me know if you disagree with this (I'm sure many of you will!) Clearly these are my own personal findings and won't be true for everyone.

Likewise, feel free to ask about specific products - chances are I've probably I tried it and have an opinion on it!

OP posts:
mintbiscuit · 21/02/2016 21:39

Hm... I think no. 1 should be high spf and broad spectrum everyday. Rain or shine. Winter or summer. That is the absolute first defence for good skin. And makes the biggest difference.

Also, you need to focus on ingredients rather than product recs. You need to understand your skin type and what your skin goals are and research products that contain ingredients will benefit you.

Missionitreat · 21/02/2016 21:41

I've given up buying anything new for my skin of late as it goes red and blotchy some days then subsides overnight, then red and bumpy another day then subsides. Doesn't seem to matter what I put on my skin or what I eat, drink etc. It just does what it wants. Although it isn't horrendous.
However I have finally ordered and will try as a last ditch effort liquid gold on recommendation and if that doesn't balance it out then I dont know what avenue I'll go down.
Sometimes I feel no matter what I do or don't do, my skin will look absolutely amazing for a good while them bam it looks like it did when I first started a serious routine, although at least nowadays it generally clears overnight whereas it never did before double cleansing.
I have not thankfully bought eleventy squillion different products like OP. What little I do use is fine and I don't think has a major bearing on my skins temperamental nature. I could be wrong though.

oOJJOo · 21/02/2016 21:44

mintbiscuit totally agree re: focusing on ingredients and understanding your own skin.

I personally don't wear SPF in the winter here in the UK, and my dermatologist says this is absolutely fine, particularly if you're acne-prone and struggling to find SPFs that don't make your acne worse. It's weighing up the pros and cons really.

That said, the scientific research is indisputable that SPF prevents skin cancer and slows down the ageing process - so yes, I do very much agree with you.

OP posts:
oOJJOo · 21/02/2016 21:54

Missionitreat Interesting...

I think the things that affect my skin most are:

  • hormones/monthly cycle
  • not enough sleep
  • too much alcohol
  • too much crap food
  • stress

But unlike you I do see a difference according to different skincare routines. When I use a basic routine of just two or three simple products I see a big difference to when I a) don't use any or b) use loads/swap products around/ use ones my skin doesn't like.

OP posts:
BoboChic · 21/02/2016 21:55

Like you, OP, I have tried a lot of beauty products (DP in the industry on retail side), for free!

I use very few - am religious about Bioderma miscellar water to cleanse at night and a Clarisonic to cleanse in the morning, plus a reasonable moisturizer which varies (I have huge stocks of freebies). Carmex. Eucerin bath oil and 10% urea body lotion. Flexitol.

oOJJOo · 21/02/2016 21:59

BoboChic You lucky thing! Sounds dreamy...

OP posts:
SimonLeBonOnAndOn · 21/02/2016 22:03

Having had acne mot of my life I've tried most skincare ranges.

I have been using a Magnitone brush to cleanse for over a year now and it's made a massive difference to my skin.

Also using eucerin moisturiser and eye cream, which I love and lots cheaper than dermalogica that I previously used.

The worst range ever for me was Liz Earle, really clogged my pores.

Littlefiendsusan · 21/02/2016 22:15

Marking place- thanks for posting OP

ruddynorah · 21/02/2016 22:22

Gosh. I oil cleanse with whatever oil I cook with. Sometimes I add a little salt for a scrub. Best thing ever. Got my 10year old started on it already.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 21/02/2016 22:36

Things that work for my skin:

Drink water. Lots. I have hot flushes so I drink pints of it. Keeps me running to the loo, but my kidneys and my skin are top notch Grin

I don't smoke or drink alcohol.

Don't be swayed by some celebrity advert. They are being paid to endorse it.

Complex routines like Decleor and Gatineau with their endless steps - not for me.
I cleanse with BodyShop Camomile butter and a muslin if I wear make up. Micellar water iif I don't.
In the shower in the morning, a foaming wash. Once a week or so, I use an M&S Formula thermal mask/wash.

Skin works on a 28 day turnover so results can take time.

I'd rather eat my own spleen than have Botox

Most important- nothing will work if it just sits there in the jar Grin

PedantPending · 21/02/2016 22:38

The thing about skin is that is it not just what you put on the outside, but also what you feed it from within and whether you drink a lot of water.
In addition it helps if you have good genes, because without those you can do whatever you like, it will not help.

Lottapianos · 21/02/2016 22:46

Thanks OP, will investigate some Eucerin x

Destinysdaughter · 21/02/2016 22:47

I did low carb a few years ago, so eating lots of fat. My skin was literally glowing!

mintbiscuit · 21/02/2016 22:50

Skin works on a 28 day turnover so results can take time

So many people do not understand this. You really do need to when using new products and assessing if they suit your skin and give you results.

SaltySeaBird · 21/02/2016 23:11

Oh great thread thanks!

I'm on the verge of buying the Lancôme Genifique (spelling?) serum. Have you tried that at all?

As I'm hitting 40 I am noticing a lot of not so fine lines and with a toddler and newborn due in the next three weeks I really want a product to give me more youthfull less haggard looking skin.

If it makes any difference my skin is normally blemish free and neither oily or dry - I hever know what to choose as I don't seem to have a skin type.

Destinysdaughter · 21/02/2016 23:15

I tried Hydraluron and Hylamide - didn't see any difference at all in my skin, was just taken in by the hype!

RapunzelStyle · 22/02/2016 00:01

Very helpful!
Personally I think you can't go wrong with Avene. (A french pharmacy brand)

marghini · 22/02/2016 00:26

Ray where did you find the Neutrogena Healthy Skin Night?

I have been looking for it for ages so I thought it wasn't sold in the UK.

Am I wrong?

Missionitreat · 22/02/2016 01:29

Well I have a couple of new medium size spots on my face today which is either the gin from last nights party, my new foundation or my not applying any product after a double cleanse this afternoon. My skin is product free, last thing to touch it was clarins alcohol free iris toner.
I will probably wake up tomorrow with fairly clear fresh skin as normal and be worrying about what cleanser to use or micellar water or muslin cloth and water so it doesn't go red and blotchy and which oil or moisturiser if any I dare put on it. Lucky me. I drink tons of water which I'm thinking is at least keeping my skin in check whatever it decides to do. I've been up all evening with a vomting DC so lack of sleep won't help as will missing my morning meeting, never good on a Monday.
I shall rest my skin maybe and keep fingers crossed my liquid gold and avene samples arrive to perform untold miracles.

RayFuckingPurchase · 22/02/2016 06:18

Marghini here it is on Amazon www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00005K9CK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1456121375&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=neutrogena+retinol+night+cream

It's around £15 at the moment but it's been more like £11-12 in the past. In any case it rates well on Beautypedia and I trust the reviews there.

Lottapianos · 22/02/2016 09:01

People who say they drink tons of water - can you quantify how much? I drink about 2 litres a day including water and herbal teas, no caffeine apart from a green tea or two. Would that count as tons?!

HappydaysArehere · 22/02/2016 09:26

For years I have been using aqueous cream to wash in. Only because soap left my skin feeling like a board. I then plonked some moistening cream on for good luck. Has anyone got any views on this?

arahia · 22/02/2016 09:37

HappydaysArehere

Beauty Bloggers will tell you that your face is going to fall off from putting all that mineral oil on it. I'd say, if it works for you, carry on!
Folks on skincareaddiction on Reddit convinced me that there's nothing wrong with mineral oil/paraffinum liquidum/vaseline/aquaphor and so on. Contrary to what, for example, CH claims.

arahia · 22/02/2016 09:39

Also, more beauty myths.
Not all foaming cleansers are bad. Of course, some of them will strip your face, if they are badly formulated, but there are some good ones out there. I'd look for anything with balanced PH.

PurpleThermalsNowItsWinter · 22/02/2016 09:40

From reviews on here I threw out all my stuff and bought a mix of superdrugs vitamin e range & la poche-rosey. My skin has gone from breaking out all the time and stinging after using products to lovely, soft & glowing. I have less products than ever and more time because I'm not stressing over my skin.

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