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Skincare: 12 things I've learnt

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oOJJOo · 21/02/2016 18:11

Like many of you on here, I am a huge skincare addict. Over the last few years I really got into the whole skincare blog /Caroline Hirons et al. world of balm cleansers, exfoliating toners, and £100 serums.

I am genuinely mortified to admit this but I have probably spent £1000+ on skincare these last few years, and I am by no means well-off. I have honestly tried 100s of products and brands and feel like I've had a decent insight into the whole skincare industry after months and months of 'research' on mumsnet, makeupalley, dermatology journals, and skincare blogs. My cupboards are now filled with lotions and potions, most of which are completely neglected.

So, before everyone else rushes out and does the same thing (and it seems like the popularity of these elaborate routines and skincare blogs is on the rise) I want to lay out 12 things that I've learnt.

  1. Excellent products come with all price tags - from the very cheap to the very expensive. Don't let anyone tell you that the more you spend, the better you'll get. From my experience this is not true. That said, on the whole I've found that being prepared to spend, say, £10-20 for a cleanser or a moisturiser will get you a better product than spending £4-6, as a general rule. This is not to say that great products can't be found in the cheaper range, just that there are fewer of them. The difference between a £10-20 product and a £140 product is ZERO. Once products start to get really expensive, invariably you can find a cheaper, just as good alternative, so never feel you need to spend hundreds.


  1. When choosing a product, try and see beyond the 'added extras', the nice smell and the fancy packaging. Ask yourself whether it's actually performing a function. I was smitten by lots of lovely smells and luxurious feeling creams, but they often did nothing more for my skin that a basic cream half the price and without the expensive extra ingredients.


  1. The simpler the better. Choose products without large amounts of alcohol, fragrance, essential oils. Go back to basics. Certain ingredients just work - glycerin, lactic acid etc - they have been clinically proved to do X, Y or Z, and have probably been around for years. Google around, look at ingredients lists, find out what the absolute staples of decent mositurisers/toners/cleansers are and then make sure you're choosing products with these ingredients in them, and not too many added extras. Don't be fooled by marketing spiel: there is no evidence that, say, triple-milled pearl oil or blue lotus flower extract have any benefits. You're just paying for a company trying to woo you with a fancy sounding ingredient.


  1. Be wary about trusting blogger recommendations or products endorsed in magazines or newspapers. Chances are they're in some sort of financial or mutually beneficially arrangement with the company they're promoting, so think twice before believing what they write.


  1. Simple routines work best for most skins - dry, combination and oily. I've had all of these three different skin conditions over the last five years and found that in each case, the simpler the better. Perhaps if you have a genuinely 'normal' skin type (lucky you!) then you can have an 8 product routine, but for most of us this really isn't helping. So: Get a decent cleanser and a decent moisturiser. Focus on these, first and foremost, and then add in (one by one so you can see whether they make a difference) a toner or a serum or any other extras that might target any particular skin complaints.


  1. Double-cleansing, in the sense of one cleanse to remove makeup, one to wash your actual face, makes a lot of sense. You don't need it if you're not wearing makeup or SPF, but if you only cleanse once with makeup on your face wont actually be properly cleansed. Some cleansers might be better suited to taking off makeup and others to washing your face, but work out what works for you as there is no hard and fast rule. You might find you can use the same cleanser for both steps.


  1. Face wipes/micellar waters are NOT the devil, although they shouldn't be your only cleanse. I frequently use face wipes or micellar waters for the 'first cleanse' at night and then wash my face properly with water. They're practical and cheap. Balm cleansing can be a lovely, effective and luxurious step in a skin-care routine, but more the time or cash poor - I've honestly found that there is no visible difference when I use Garnier Micellar Water (£4) than when I use Emma Hardie (£35) as the first step in my cleansing ritual.


  1. Pharmacy brands (like Eucerin, Vichy and La Roche-Posay) are better formulated and more functional/'to the point' than many more expensive brands. They conduct more research before formulating products, and don't waste much time going for swanky packaging, advertising and smells and bells. That said, I've tried bad products by all these brands, so they're by no means the definitive answer, just a general good option to explore.


  1. Learn to 'read' your own skin, to assess whether its dehydrated/sensitive/spotty etc, and then tweak your routine accordingly. Do what feels right for your skin - if something is working for you but has terrible reviews online or loads of alcohol or other such maligned ingredients - stick with it! Why change it if it's working for you?


10. Think holistically. Often it's not the products that are the problem. Before chucking your old moisturiser and going out to buy a new one, ask whether there are lifestyle changes you can make that will have more of an impact: hot baths, diet, air conditioning, exercise, fluid consumption, general health. Address your skin more holistically before looking for the miracle cure in your products.

11. Don't waste products - pass things on. If you've bought something and it hasn't worked out for you - why not pass it on to a friend, daughter, mother etc. and see if it works for them. Alternatively, repurpose your products - if an eye cream does nothing for you, use it up on your hands. In the long run you'll save money, and you'll feel less regret about splashing money on useless products.

12. If you have acne/dermatitis/psoarosis go to a GP or dermatologist. You wouldn't trust Clarins to sort out a throat infection or any other medical condition, so why would you expect a beauty brand to provide expert medical advice on a skin condition. Go to the GP and get a prescription or recommendation for medically-tested, tailored products. These will contain the same ingredients that you might find in beauty brands, but without the frilly extras.

And finally, these things were true for me personally (but wont necessarily be true for you):

  • I love the idea of me sitting in a facemask on a Sunday evening. In reality I'm cleaning the kitchen, catching up on work/emails and spending time with my family. I never use masks or peels or any of the 'one off' type products i bought. They sit gathering dust on the shelf. In fact, beyond face moisturiser, cleanser, hydrating toner and lip balm, I don't really use any of the skincare extras I bought - no liquid gold, no over-night treatments, no oils (although some might use them in lieu of a moisturiser).
  • I don't need a 'day' and 'night' cream but have just the one which I use for both. I do see the argument for having two, but personally I don't.
  • Eye creams are just more expensive, smaller pots of exactly the same bunch of ingredients in a face cream. I have repurposed all my eye creams on my neck and won't ever buy an eye cream again.
  • acid toners seemed to exacerbate my spots and I now avoid them altogether. Friends have found the same thing.
  • Most hydrating toners are useless, but find a cheapish one that doesn't irritate your skin and it can be a useful makeup base
  • water sprays are nonsense and completely useless (e.g. Vichy/Avene Eau thermal etc.)
  • no targeted spot cream made any difference to the size or speed of disappearance of my spots. And trust me, I tried EVERYTHING. See point 15 above - if spots are really bothering you, go to the GP.



AND, here is an initial list of 'raved about' products that I tried and didn't rate:

Caudalie Eau de beauté
Dior rose lip balm
The Body Shop camomile cleansing balm and oil
Most Omorovicza products (apart from the charcoal cleansing balm which was nice but £££)
Sunday Riley active eye cream
Clinique 3 step program (most of the skincare is rubbish imho)
Zelens - fine but overpriced
Most expensive brands from Cult Beauty/ Space NK e.g. Revive, Algenist, Goldfaden, Strivectin
Eve Lom cleansing balm
Oskia renaissance cleansing balm (meh)
All the Diptyque skincare range I tried
REN glycolic mask; Oskia renaissance mask
Clarins lotion cleansers (so many better alternatives for a fraction of the price)
ALL expensive cleansing wipes
Elizabeth Arden 8 hour cream
Any/all creams designed for stretch marks/cellulite/fat - none of them work and its frankly immoral that brands play on women's insecurities to tout bs products that evidently don't work. At best, some moisturiser might help the appearance of your skin, and keeping your skin in a decent condition will help with the natural fading process of stretch marks, but for that you only need a basic, budget moisturiser.

I could go on for days... (Sorry for the already mammoth post!)

Let me know if you disagree with this (I'm sure many of you will!) Clearly these are my own personal findings and won't be true for everyone.

Likewise, feel free to ask about specific products - chances are I've probably I tried it and have an opinion on it!
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KatharinaRosalie · 22/02/2016 19:51

My tip is that sometimes experts might actually know their stuff.

I spent years believing my issue was oily skin, with occasional spots and redness, and kept buying respective products. Until a beautician said she thinks I have sensitive skin instead.

As the treatment she did was indeed fabulous, I went out and bought sensitive skin care (Dr Hauschka in my case - cleanser, sensitive skin treatment and cream, occasionally the calming mask is all I use) and now people are constantly telling me what I great skin I have.

Only trouble is I still have a truckload of Lance, Dior, Estee Lauder etc, that I'm not using any more..

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motherinferior · 22/02/2016 20:07

I've just finished six weeks of having nothing on my face bar a bit of sunscreen in the day - washing with Cetaphil. (I had my nose pierced and you have to be scrupulously hygienic.)

I can honestly say the only difference was that my neck looked a bit more wrinkly.

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Siolence · 22/02/2016 20:28

It really is trial and error. Everyone suits different products.

However, for the last 4 days I've been avoiding caffeine and downing about 3L of water a day and looked at myself this morning and though WTF. Glowing. And I've not changed my skincare at all.

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yazzy85 · 22/02/2016 20:52

Jusy had a read through everything, thank you for sharing your tips! I have combination skin and love the Vichy resurfacing moisturiser you mentioned. It sinks really well and isn't shiny at all. I am interested the Paula's Choice products recommended on here and will look into those as certain areas on my face still a bit congested under the surface.

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Awks · 22/02/2016 21:15

Just read this - thank you. I was a real hoarder last year and then got this awful, dreadful perioral dermatitis which made me look like something from a horror film. Since then, I've hardly dared put anything different on except Clinique superdefence for dry skin which doesn't irritate or cause flare ups. Now my face appears healed again I think I might try the eucerin as Clinique's £30 a pot. Do you use the face one in the tube or is the cream in the jar the same stuff?

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MustBeThin · 22/02/2016 21:19

I swear by Trilogy, love their cream cleanser, vital moisturiser and rosehip oil. I have sensitive skin and I'm prone to try patches and these are the only products that don't make my cheeks sore and pink.

I cleanse and moisturise in the morning and at night if I've been wearing makeup I remove it with a face wipe and then Cleanse, dab moisturiser on my cheeks, chin and forehead then drop 2-3 drops of oil onto my fingers, rub them together and then massage the oil and moisturise into my face.

For sunscreen I use Ultrasun super sensitive.

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oOJJOo · 22/02/2016 21:43

Great to hear about other people’s findings, and I’m glad to hear that people found the original post useful/interesting :-) I love banging on about skincare to my partner/friends - but they’re definitely not quite as enthusiastic as I am, so it’s great to find a forum to chat!

Paula’s Choice is one of the few brands I’ve never tried… Interesting to hear such positive things. I find her Beautypedia website extremely useful - not so much for her own reviews (which are massively partisan and driven by a quite rigid set of beliefs about skincare), but for the ingredients lists and community reviews. You can also read between the lines of her reviews and decide for yourself whether you think a product sounds good.

I agree with everyone re: staying hydrated and drinking lots of water. I drink a lot during the day, but also drink a lot of coffee. I’m not a big alcohol drinker, so that’s alright, but I should probably try and cut back a bit on coffee and tea (boo!) I also think trying to get eat as much fruit/veg/oily fish will also help your skin, and generally keeping your sugar consumption as low as possible (I say, while eating a creme egg).

Yellowgold yes I have - although only as a sample, so I’ve only tried it on my skin for two nights. I actually rather liked it - my skin looked good the next morning. But, it wasn’t any better than the Vichy anti-age resurfacing cream or Pai rosehip oil both of which were a fraction of the price. So if you’re on a budget I would say go for a cheaper alternative as there are plenty out there, but if you’re happy to splash out then yes it does seem rather nice. Has any one else tried it (maybe for a bit longer) and liked/hated it?

ApplesTheHare thank you - what a lovely compliment :-) I haven’t actually tried the Kiehls moisturiser so I’m not sure how it would compare grease-wise to some of the ones I’ve tried. That said, Eucerin Aquaporin for dry skin (there are two formulations) is a good option, although whether it’s too greasy I’m not sure. Perhaps you could try it out in a Boots and decide what you think? Other moisturisers that aren’t greasy, don’t cause spots, and are actually moisturising: Kate Somerville goat milk (expensive and hard to get hold of), Vichy anti-ageing resurfacing care (cheaper and easier to find). On the whole I think looking at brands like Eucerin, Vichy, Avène, La Roche-Posay (all usually in the same aisle in Boots) are the best place to look for moisturisers. Let us know how you get on!

Howmanyminutes It’s so much fun isn’t it? I’d far rather get my information directly from actual research than rely on a woman’s mag or a blogger to tell me the same hearsay about skincare that’s been milling around for years. My personal focus has been on acne, so that’s fascinating to hear about the fatty acid content of moisturisers. What were your overall conclusions from the reading and what kinds of oils to go for? Of all the oils i’ve tried so far, rosehip and jojoba both seem great (not sure which category they would fall into?)

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oOJJOo · 22/02/2016 21:47

P.S. Awks The one I’m using currently is the Skin Replenish one (in a tub with a blue lid, slightly cheaper) but that’s because my skin is really dry. For the last year or so I’ve been using Aquaporin Riche for dry skin (also in a tub, a couple of pounds more expensive). It used to be in a tube but they repackaged it in a tub (shame, I prefer it in a tube personally). You can get both of these online for cheaper than in Boots (have a quick look for a voucher code if you’re using Lookfantastic or Feelunique because they often have 10-15% off).

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Missionitreat · 23/02/2016 00:10

I bought the avene very gentle cleansing lotion today which I'm very excited about using tomorrow.

They say to wipe it off with cotton wool pads but I'm sure a wet flannel would also be ok, yes? My skin is not uber sensitive.

My liquid gold arrived today so I'm using it tonight for the first time. I've held off buying it for about a year but my skin needs help right now and it has been well cared for the last year, so at least it is prepped and primed for use. It was zingy but a new spot has gone already so I'm happy about that. My face went bright red at first but it has subsided a lot.

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Missionitreat · 23/02/2016 00:20

The Estée Lauder advance night serum has hydraluric acid in it which is why it so popular and works really well, they were one of the first to incorporate it into skin care allegedly.
I use clarins lotus oil which is not greasy at all, I use 3/4 drops. It doesn't have any special ingredients though like the advanced night serum.
I have my eye on an avene anti redness moisturiser or a la Roche Posay one, can't decide which. One has SPF the other doesn't.

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Missionitreat · 23/02/2016 00:21

That was in answer to yellow and apples

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Lottapianos · 23/02/2016 06:26

Missioni, I used the Avene cleanser with a flannel and it was just fine. I always use flannels, couldn't imagine going back to cotton wool

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RayFuckingPurchase · 23/02/2016 06:35

The reviews on Beautypedia (Paula's Choice US website) are generally great but sometimes products are marked down for not containing additional beneficial ingredients when actually you might not mind that - for example a moisturiser could lose a star because it doesn't feature antioxidants among its ingredients. If you're getting those elsewhere in your skin routine, no matter.

I always consult Beautypedia before I buy something new just for the 'science bit'.

The skincare groups on Reddit are great, too. I can get lost n those for hours.

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Destinysdaughter · 23/02/2016 07:37

I think eating nuts and avocados is also beneficial to the skin. Krill oil, as a supplement, not to put on your face! is supposed to be excellent too

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BreakfastLunchPasta · 23/02/2016 09:38

Great thread.

Can anyone tell me when in my routine is best to apply facial oils and serums? I've heard conflicting advice and currently hedge my bets.
Also, would you use both in one sitting? I tend to use oil at night and serum in the morning..

Re. cotton wool, I was advised by a Dr Hauschka skincare person not to use it because it's chlorinated; she thought clean flannels best. I've taken to guiltily tumble drying my flannels to make them softer, but it's got to better for the environment than cotton wool.

I didn't initially but now really like Ren Glycolactic mask; I used it Sunday night and felt my skin looked ok enough to go out without makeup yesterday for the first time in weeks.
My favourite eye cream is Ren Keep Young and Beautiful, but I was excited about their Instant Firming Beauty Shot and found it disappointing.

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Missionitreat · 23/02/2016 10:38

I used liquid gold yesterday for the first time with amazing results. I think I have pretty average skin which is prone to sensitivity, but I do have faint scarring on my cheeks which when I flare up coupled with any tiny red pimples that seem to appear briefly it doesn't look great. It's this really that I'm addressing.
I put it on very early around 4pm after picking DD up from school. It made my face bright bright red, then around 1am when I woke to DS vomiting, it looked very blotchy and spotty. But this morning my skin was significantly clearer than when I had applied it at 4pm. I was fine doing the school run with no make up on without feeling urgh. I'm not going to touch my face till this evening and I will just use the alpha h scrub that came with it, as I'm in all day again with a poorly DC.

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AnnaFulhamMum · 23/02/2016 23:43

I love Eve Lom's cleanser and Elizabeth Arden's 8 hour cream. Both work well for me. I've tried numerous products too over the years. I also swear by Clinique's 3 step skincare. The yellow cream makes my skin glow in a way that I've not found with any other cream.

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Lottapianos · 24/02/2016 07:18

Destinysdaughter, very much agree about nuts and avocados. Carrots and broccoli also seem to make my skin look very clear. And the advice about loads of water - it really works!

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Nabootique · 24/02/2016 10:11

Love a skin care thread. One thing I've learnt and think is really important is the difference between dry and dehydrated. So many people use hydrating products and wonder why they do nothing for them. If you are not dehydrated they probably won't make any visible difference. Even brands market stuff towards "dry" when it isn't anything particularly moisturising sometimes.

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Lottapianos · 24/02/2016 12:43

Nabootique, learning that being dehydrated is a thing was revolutionary for me too! Thanks Sali Hughes Smile Do you have any favourite hydrating products?

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Yellowgold · 24/02/2016 12:47

Thank you oOJJOo for the suggestions. I tried Trilogy rosehip one but could not stand the smell. Thats interesting Howmanyminutes, I think the rosehip oil I had was rancid. I did throw it out after 2 weeks. I wondered why it didn't smell like roses. Should it be kept in fridge to prevent it from going bad?
Missionitreat, if hydraulic acid is the USP for Estee ANR, then maybe cheaper products would do the job. I tried the Indeed Labs hydraluron. But it made no difference to my skin like ANR does the next morning. I have 2 samples. Still deciding if I should ask for it as a mothers day present.

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Nabootique · 24/02/2016 14:15

Waves at Lotta I'm slightly oily and also dehydrated. I love:

Clinique Moisture Surge
Hydraluron Moisture Jelly
Sarah Chapman Hydration Booster
Apivita Aqua Vita moisturiser and hydration serum
LRP Toleraine Fluid
Skyn Iceland Arctic Elixir
Pixi Hydrating Milky Serum

I use a lot of products, obviously Grin If you want any specific reviews of those feel free to ask.

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Lottapianos · 24/02/2016 14:31

Thanks Nabootique, I'm dehydrated and dry so unlikely to get along with your oily products Smile

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OttiliaVonBCup · 24/02/2016 14:33

Rose hip oil never smells of roses, Yellow. It's a made from the hips, the rose hip has lots of little seeds inside which are pressed for the oil.

Rose oil is made from the flowers, using different methods and smells of roses. It's far too expensive and strong to be used like rose hip oil.

rose hip oil has a distinctive smell, not unpleasant though.

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