Sam Cam, Jools Oliver etc - how do they fit exercise and beauty stuff in

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Do they get lots of help? Wondering if they do their running and work outs at 5am as they seem quite hands on mums.

It's not a competition or a hierarchy. SamCam, Hilary Mantel and Mary Beard all contribute to humanity - just in different ways.

squeezycheeseweasel

OK, she earned lots of money designing stationery. And handbags. (A career and income presumably completely unrelated to being a toff.) I'll still take Mantel and Beard any day.

Huge difference between commenting on how women keep themselves fit and healthy and making personal comments to other MNers.

so maybe take your own advice?

As I said, I didn't start the personal comments.

so are we saying that art and design is of no value - but that being a writer or an academic is better somehow? Or are we saying we are jealous that SC manages to look good( in some people's eyes) and be successful compared with some other women who achieve only one of those?

penguin I remember another thing I liked about Cherie was that she didn't judge me on my appearance either.

She didn't think blonde highlights, high heels = bimbo.

It just didn't register.

Gareth Peirce was the same (and she makes Cherie look like Kim Kardashian in the grooming stakes)

Ah yes, designing handbags and stationary, as opposed to working as a sucessful Barrister, who had a professional interest in Human rights. Now let me think , which one of those women i admire more

swimming I can relate to that. If I were in some way in the public eye the paparazzi would have whole filing cabinets full of photos of me with bad hair, trying to discreetly fish my knickers out of my bottom or doing that thing where you attempt to dislodge a piece of apple skin for your teeth using your tongue. The pressure must be horrible.

Goodness Word I cant imagine anyone thinks highlights and heels equals bimbo. Unless teamed with a Kardashian style outfit

Er...no, I'm not jealous of SamCam. I really very much am not. I also think 'art and design' are slightly different from handbags but again realise I am probably in an S&B minority on this. And actually I wasn't rating their fields but their achievements within them. I think Mantel deserves slavering worship, but there are plenty of novelists whom I don't rate. Similarly with MB and academia. And yes I do love MB's 'this is what I look like, get over it' stance. (I think she looks fabulous. I realise that this again will get me drummed out of S&B.)

The Kardashians aren't bimbo's, they've made a career and a fortune out of doing whatever they do.

The prejudices and women hating comments on here are staggering.

Live and let live people, we are all different and thank fuck god for that.

I think SC is no airhead- she was /is a director of Smythson so her input is going to be more than just designing a bag. (Though given MNs obsession with high-end bags that ought to endear her.) she cut her work back once she had 3 kids ( and don't forget Ivan). CB had help from her mother who more or less lived-in and her sister. she does have a high flying career but people' s memories are short- she also made a career out of alternative and whacky therapies and getting as many freebies as she could.

I get very bored with the "lawyer = morally superior career and person" stance on MN. Lawyers are not moral arbiters! I know plenty of lawyers and lots of them are operating right on the boundaries of the law, all the time: that's their livelihood. Most aren't remotely concerned with justice - and quite rightly so. Their clients pay them to win, not "do the right thing".

Did anyone else think why are they making such an enormous fuss over a very ordinary looking woman?

First time on S&B threads. Didn't realise handbag designing was revered so much
It's funny, but not in a good way.

Handbags are harmless, employ lots of people (= feed and house families) and, if high end, keep skills alive in Europe. What's not to like? They are ethical business.

oh so this has turned into a 'bash SC job' because somehow it's not intellectual enough? FFs. I assume all those posting such comments are high-fliers who are taking time out of their top jobs to post on a forum

Everything is designed or else it wouldn't exist - handbags, trains, pens... You name it, someone designed it. It's not seen as brainy work but it is actually - you have to think in 3D and solve problems about manufacturing etc. I am not saying SC was the best handbag designer in the world - I don't know if she was or not, but I hate to see practical/creative professions put down because they 're not clever or worthy enough.

Oh dear god. All I'm saying is no, I'm not jealous of a posh woman who designs posh handbags. I am jealous of Mantel. And Mary Beard. And plenty of other creative clever women. Madly. I corrode with envy as well as worship. Even if posh handbag design woman is thin and looks sleekly posh.

Nor do I think I am personally morally reprobate for not getting up at some idiotic time to exercise (and I am quite used to getting up at 6.40 to run 5k, several times a week). I do understand that there are a lot of other women for whom my quite moderate amount of exercise is either quite hard to manage, or out of the question.

And frankly this thread is the biggest incentive I've seen in a long time to take the afternoon off and slump in front of the telly with a family-sized bag of Bombay mix and a pint of gin.

Maybe, just maybe, MI, you might re-examine your cultural prejudices and use another set of criteria to judge the relative worth of different career paths? Keeping people in gainful and harmless employment is not frivolous, more particularly when difficult and sometimes dying skills are involved.

Personally I prefer a Vermouth.

The assumption being that brains channeled into the purely intellectual ( writing and academia) are somehow superior to brains used to design objects we all use daily.

It's a topsy turvy world: do we pay or value civil engineers who design bridges or scientists who find a cure for cancer as much as we pay footballers or actors? No.

Nope, still not jealous. However many people her posh shop employs, envy fails to stir. Even if she is thin. Still nothing.

And can I repeat you've missed my point - HM and MB are really good at what they do. It's not the fields per se.

Personally I don't get this thin obsession. SC to my mind has a very average body and for the life of me I don't understand the media interest.

I find it a bit weird.

Couldn't give a shiny shite otherwise.