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A la Vorderman?

cis is a load of crap. There is no way I would ever use that stupid terminology.

And I'm certainly not transphobic.

Yy I think men's genitals are accepted to be ugly on some level. But they're not publicly mocked.

I think men's cocks are ridiculed, for example in changing rooms. There's no hiding a small one, unless you're Ross from Friends

Mocking girls' bits is a thing teenage boys do - in the same way they're obsessed with farts and toilet humour. It's an unknown thing, certainly not malicious. At least in my experience.

CIS is indeed a load of crap, I don't want to be labelled with that. Ever.

Why do you think cis is crap, Soup? genuine question.

My use of it was based on the queer community I've had contact with embracing it as a way to make room for their experience.

I didn't feel comfortable saying all women have labia - though I could have said most, cis was what occurred first.

I do see what you are saying Xx, or the article is, about reinforcing oppressive notions of gender - or I think I do - need to read the comments and think.

Queen, why is cis a load of crap? interested.

Why do you think cis is crap, Soup? genuine question.

Because I'm simply female. I'm not female assigned female at birth, I'm not "cis", I am female. I don't need a word or phrase to describe that as there is already one: female.

I don't care what gender others identify with - it doesn't affect me at all. They can be whoever they want to be and call themselves whatever they want as far as I'm concerned and I'll take them at face value.

Cis is utter crap as it assumes that the individuals in whatever group of women is defined as 'cis' are happy to identify with the socially constructed gender category 'woman', whereas those individuals may view that constructed identity as problematic.

Rooty - thanks for scarring me for life! Line's description was bad enough... Surely that image must have been photoshopped??

I'm a little bemused how this had developed from a discussion about CVs prominent camel toe :)

I guess my main reason for calling cis a load of crap is that there really is no need to label every little thing.

Not as bad as this. Ouch

cardamon I don't think that cis necessarily imports those gender constructs, though I can see that its use might.

Sorry for scarring you.

Soup I think that's naive to the inadequacy of language for other people's sex and gender identities. It may be "every little thing" to you. For others it's an inability to articulate and a denial of their experience or existence.

I don't think we've travelled far from camel toe at all!

Butter where on earth did you find that?! your personal archives?!?!?!

cardamoM, sorry

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That is utterly grotesque, ButterBrickle.

But gender is a construct (and typically one defined by those in positions of power, hence for much of history and for many now, constructed by men) so surely cis does import this by definition? Cis means that your biological sex and gender identity match, as assigned at birth. How is that not saying that cis women are happy with and accept the socially constructed gender identity of 'woman'?

I think that's naive to the inadequacy of language for other people's sex and gender identities. It may be "every little thing" to you. For others it's an inability to articulate and a denial of their experience or existence.

What nonsense. There is already a term for "born female, always been female and living as female". It's female. It doesn't need another label. We don't need to label it again.

There are also terms that describe other gender identities so how, exactly, is describing a "female born female etc" simply as female denying the existence of others?

I am not "cis female" I am female. Bog standard, common-or-garden female. Other types of female can call themselves whatever they wish.

When did all this CIS stuff start? I've obviously missed something

Not sure....

yy I see that. But I also feel that we have a state of affairs where many people do identify with ideas gender and it is alright to describe that -?

I am not sure I think that cis language perpetuates or endorses the construct, and if currently radical notions of gender expression take hold, that we might then find better ways to describe things. ?

Sorry, it's past 2am here, and I'm supposed to be thinking about and writing down corporate things

Yes - tgis is confusing me too. Surely if you identify as female, whatever sex you are, you're just "female" and should be assimilated into that group?

Rooty - stop faffing! Finish your work and get yourself to bed, or you'll be no use to anyone in the morning!!

It started because I didn't want to write "all women have labia", when I was making the point that the outline of genitalia doesn't really arouse my shock or disgust.

Because all women don't have labia.

But I should have just used the handy word MOST.

I think cis is crap because someone who is born a woman and identifies with being a woman is... A woman

Not a cis woman, which a different group of people have started giving that label of

I'm respectful of calling people by the label they choose - if a trans woman wishes to be called "she / her" then no problem, I will respect that. I have an issue that despite being told that I don't wish to be labelled a cis woman, it's something that others have chosen to label me and won't respect my choices.

Aren't all these labels an attempt to promote 'otherness'? For goodness sake. I know a lovely woman who transitioned in her 20s. She was a woman before the medical procedures, and a girl before that. She's not 'trans' any more than I am 'cis'. We're women and we're friends.

Why the need to make it an "us and them" scenario?

Is there a male equivalent of "cis"?

Rootypig in your earlier post you said something like "all cis women have labia" then talked about men's penis and balls, without qualifying if the "men" where born male or identified as male.

I've read a bit about "cis" women but not much about the equivalent for men (perhaps I read the wrong web forums!)