tell me about fur

[hydeparkhottie]

but I don't want to pay ridiculous amounts for it...why is it soo expensive? I've seen it on ebay and at markets for cheap cheap--and then everywhere else, it's super duper expensive...

whats the difference?

Must admit if a friend turned up wearing fur I would notice and be very judgey! And we don't really talk about clothes. Also when you look properly it is easy to tell the difference. I would judge someone who wore fur as cruel, shallow, unsophisticated and having no taste.
But I also in my 40's get an urge to spit at people in the street who wear fur or shout at them. Never have though...just a teenage urge.

is there an ethical difference between vintage fur and modern fur? Honest question.

Wearing leather is not the same thing as wearing real fur.

People who wear real fur, in my book, are horrible, selfish individuals who care more about looking 'fabulous' than anything else.

If you know the facts about fur, ie the electrocution, the skinning alive and you STILL choose to wear it, then you're a dick.........imo

Yes namelessposter I am, does that make it okay for me to have ethics?

I abhor the attitude of 'solve all the problems or you're wasting your time'. One good ethical choice that saves an animal's life is better than none, I would much rather someone ate meat and didn't wear fur than ate meat AND wore fur.

Unless on the original owner it's worn by scum.

What else do you need to know that 70isalimit hasn't already told you?

70, I know plenty of people who'd pour paint over a fur wearer and call them a cunt. In fact, I might have been known to react myself many times once or twice.

And yes on reflection, I would rather people didn't wear fur than eat meat if it comes to it, both are deeply cruel, but at the end of the day people do have to eat, they don't have to eat meat, but they have to eat something, so it is fulfilling a need, fur for fashion is just vanity pure and simple so is just repellent imo.

That's so true gobblers, it's like people saying what's the point in me recycling if I drive a big car etc etc. everyone's little contribution to whatever cause is helpful, what isn't helpful is other people pulling the hypocrite card. No one is perfect. I eat meat but I would never wear real fur. I'm comfortable with my meat eating and buying choices but would neve be comfortable wearing fur. That's my prerogative.

I was always tempted to stick a bit of chewing-gum on a passing fur coat, myself.

The meat we eat isn't skinned alive & left to die which can take hours.

I eat mainly pork because it won't be halal.

Fur is cruel & I cannot believe people still consider wearing it.

I am veggie by the way and struggle why, when there are so many good fabrics to keep you warm, anyone would need a real fur cost. It's more understandable in a Innuit community as it is using up all the parts of an animal but elsewhere in the world? I think not.

There really people in the work who have no idea. Like my mum who refuses to believe mink were skinned alive for her coat. At least she inherited rather than bought it but still.

Vintage is better IMO but the thought of wearing someone's skin freaks me out. Especially as that someone was an animal with no idea why they were suddenly in such pain and agony.

I usually defend anyone's right to express their point of view but in your case OP, I'm willing to make an exception. Sling your hook Cruella!!

I think namelessposter was particularly pointing out the hypocrisy of people blasting the fur trade as cruel whilst then simultaneously buying low welfare meat at the supermarket. Mass indoor farmed poultry is not something anyone with a love of animals should be buying, but people do, all the time, without any thought. I do think people's compassion for animals is often very misplaced.

That aside, OP from a welfare point of view I would stay away from fur, unless you happen to know exactly where it came from (like for example, your rabbit shooting friend uses the fur off the dead rabbits to make a pair of slippers).

leather isn't always a by product of the meat trade.

(mostly) Indian leather is produced in a similar way to fur with cows being skinned alive after being bought cheaply from poor farmers.

Not only are the animals tortured there is a lot of human suffering involved in the treating of the leather.

There are videos on you tube, I can recommend one called 'earthlings'.

Of course I don't buy BOGOF mass-produced chicken. What a ridiculous assumption for the sake of cheap point-scoring.

How on god's earth can you be 'new to thinking about fur', assuming you are over the age of around eight?

motherinferior I very well am new to thinking about it. Stop being silly. I only just got a chance to think about it. Until recently, I have been quite busy with an outrageously busy life. You have no right to judge what I've spent my time doing.

Listen, everyone. There is a lot of anger directed at me for wanting to know about fur. If I can't ask a question without being criticized think about all the other women out there who would want to know the answer to anything YOU may all consider 'beneath' you.

If all of you ( angry mobsters) would just calm down and speak factually, without anger, it would be much easier to take you and your points with the objective curiosity (that which pushed for me to start this thread).

930 million chickens slaughtered for food each year in the Uk, only 4% of them get the luxury of a free range life first. The rest of those poor chickens have a life pretty much as shit as the animals raised for fur.

Anyone eating those poor chickens should take a moment to reflect on their own morals with respect to animal welfare before jumping around to berate others. The few of you with consistent, thought-through ethics, who reject both, I applaud you.

hydepark, the difference is very obvious, ,

Fur is just like gold it's a very valuable commodity,

Some types of fur can exceed 100k for a coat, like sable,chinchilla and are very hard to come by,

Some type of fox and mink are more affordable ,but still expensive,

And then you have the rest, fox,raccoon,coyote..

Within the varieties of fur, too, there are other considerations, too, like:

• colour (silver fox is more expensive than red fox and pale and dark minks are more expensive than brown minks)
• size (most furs are medium or large, so a small coat is harder to find)
• brand (Blackglama is a £££ brand of American farmed mink where the minks are bred to be very dark, so they aren't dyed like cheaper mink)
• condition
• style
• pelts - full pelts are more £££ than thin strips

I have a friend whose family trade furs, just in case anyone thinks I sell furs or something [kids self that sounds oh so knowledgeable]

Cheese, I believe that vintage fur is just as unethical as new fur.

• still don't know the conditions of farming
• origin of species (wild/farmed)
• fuels the trade for cheap and new fur
• cheap is cheap for a reason (labour conditions/conditions of animals/how they are killed)
• pity the whelping bitches, you think it's bad in puppy farms...

Many animals have had to die for a fashion accessory, that usually ends up being discarded. Such a waste...

I would judge someone more for buying battery eggs/chicken than wearing a vintage fur. New fur though is inexcusable, unless you live in Siberia or something.

so there is NO possible way of ethically making a fur coat? I just assumed, they shaved the animals (or whatever they do with sheep for uggs).

Are rabbits killed for all of these hats everywhere.

again please, please don't slate me. I really am as thick as I sound. I would google, but I don't want to see any scary pictures/gory videos. I would totally be interested in any documentaries that explain it all.