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The Anti-Color Analysis Thread

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FrugalFashionista · 21/02/2014 09:18

This is a safe space for anyone who
(tick any that apply)

  • wants to burn her scarves
  • will scream if someone goes semantic on 'Oyster'
  • does not want to be made to wear lipstick
  • is not looking forward to the next Kettlewell catalogue
  • does not identify with any particular season
  • will never ever do a style day
  • has self-diagnosed Stockholm syndrome
  • is tired of the tireless marketing drum of color analysis on S&B

I realize I may be endorsing an unpopular view but this thread here is for anyone who does not want to discuss color.

C'mon, am I the only one?
Raise your hand...

PS I will send a crappy lipstick personally chosen for me by a color analyst to the first taker. It's a shimmery peachy tone that has no staying power and streaks your teeth. But don't worry, it will make you look a million times better.

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RudyMentary · 22/02/2014 20:43

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NigellasGuest · 22/02/2014 20:57

I had a HOC style consultation.
I was told to NEVER wear scarves, and to wear mini skirts even when I'm ninety years old. I was very happy with the whole thing. Half the stuff I was already wearing she liked a lot,I went to a consultant in London because I liked the look of her. The local lady looked dowdy. I think you need to have a bit of a clue to start with, and it can help you focus.

NigellasGuest · 22/02/2014 20:59

oh yes and she told me to keep wearing black, hooray!

MrsCampbellBlack · 22/02/2014 21:14

Nigella, I'm going to be cruel to be kind here. But no to mini skirts at 90. No-one wants to see your knickers when you bend down once you're past 85.

bigTillyMint · 22/02/2014 21:41

MrsCBGrin But have you seen the article in todays Guardian?

Emo76 · 22/02/2014 21:45

Frugal. Is this a work (psychology?) related project?

RonaldMcDonald · 22/02/2014 21:54

why does this have to be a project for Frugal?
Even if it is, so what?

HOC CMB is soooo boring to me. I love the idea that people mix it up and find their own way.
The idea of some frumpy lady - who has been through a brief course to speak the truth about another person's colour 'analysis' - having the answers is just nonsense to me.

I know that some people like it but many, many others think it is balls.

MarvellousMechanicalMouseOrgan · 23/02/2014 08:44

For me there's a big difference between the colour stuff and the style stuff. I enjoyed spending the time to see what colours looked better on me, but there's no way I'd let a stranger tell me what to wear!

FrugalFashionista · 23/02/2014 09:08

Emo, please stop stalking. If you are asking whether I'm a psychologist because you'd like to consult one, I'm unable to help you, because I'm not. (I had Psych 101 in high school around the same time I read the CMB books, and like reading psychology textbooks in my free time - developmental psychology is really fun if you have young children - so it seems I can fool a gullible person Wink)

I'd like to ask people here to respect my anonymity. Many of us here would like to discuss lipsticks and scarves (or, on other threads, sexual preferences) without having our work personas dragged in, is this an unreasonable request? I can assure you I do not have any professional interest in color analysis.

Snowdown I overlooked your question in the heat of all of these personal attacks. I had my doubts already when I was being draped. It may sound curious but the fact that the draping scarves were made of lurid polyester really threw me off. Texture is as important or possibly even more important for me than color and I was unable to fully focus because all the drapes were made of polyester satin and had a sheen to them. I just don't do shiny fabrics, ever. So nothing looked really good. The 'good' colors looked pretty bad, and the 'bad' colors looked pretty bad. I think this is because she draped me in loud brights, and as a low-contrast person, I look much better in neutrals. My palette has a ton of loud brights and just a few neutrals. She didn't seem to have a clue about contrast levels though. (I learned about that when I read more about color analysis, consulting American sites. I think I wrote about that on the 'Frugal' threads last year. The contrast level makes intuitive sense to me - the worst thing I can wear is a busy black and white pattern. Black velvet, on the other hand, can look really good on me, and I love the texture. The cool-warm divide does not define me well, because my coloring is quite neutral. I think I look good in warmer colors in the summer when I have a light tan and cooler colors during the winter when my naturally blonde hair grows darker.)

CMB have completely revised their system because very few people seem to fit neatly into the original four seasons. They talk about your predominant characteristic now and that makes more sense to me (although the problem may be now that many people don't have a predominating characteristic...). But I think their palettes still follow the cool/warm divide. That makes no sense to me. If the division is truly important, I should look quite bad in Light Spring colors, but I don't. (When I lived in the tropics, I instinctively wore a lot of pure white and Spring colors and they looked great on me because I was always tanned.) My natural hair highlights and eyes are on the Light Spring palette, my skin tone on the Light Summer palette. So I'm in-between, but following either palette rigidly does not work for me. I get a better result if I mix a bit cool and warm in my outfits and makeup. If my makeup is totally in cool tones except for my lips that are a warm coral, I look more 'alive' and three-dimensional. This is what I have learned by trial and error.

My take-home? If you are a textbook 'Season', the palette you will be given probably work for you if you like adhering to rules. If you are somewhere in-between, you fall between the cracks on the system and you are better of on your own...

Please keep the personal experiences coming! Like I said, this should be a safe place for skeptics and agnostics. Let's try to keep the conversation civil - no personal flaming, please.

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NigellasGuest · 23/02/2014 09:19

MrsCB thanks for your kindness. I think I was meaning a well cut skirt above the knee with very thick tights and never heels. HTH. Sorry not to be more specific but I was trying to make a point there - which was that my consultant did not drown me in beige scarves and "jaunty" stuff. I was delighted to be told don't bother with scarves, as I've always hated them, I just don't "get" them, and the consultant served to confirm my gut instincts to a huge extent. It didn't result in me having to chuck out the entire contents of my wardrobe - but it did help me to hone in on the very many suitable pieces in there already and make the most of them. And to carry on buying my favourite colour - black - and to ignore the black haters of which there are many
OK - you can argue that you shouldn't need to pay good money to basically be told what you already know, but for me, it served to refocus me and to trust my gut instinct. Not everyone has the confidence to always trust their instincts when it comes to clothes purchases, I expect you know exactly what you're doing but lots of people don't.

MrsCampbellBlack · 23/02/2014 09:27

I know they don't nigella and you did get I was joking right?

And Frugal - I agree re texture - I have a black coat with a fur collar and it looks great because of the texture. However flat black on me, eg, jersey is not great - navy is better.

I'm pretty sure that its been said already but if HOC works for some its great but its not the answer for everyone. I know what suits me and have a co-ordinated wardrobe - you don't have to do HOC to get that.

And I've been pretty shocked at some people's attacks on Frugal and deliberately mentioning former names - bad form.

Emo76 · 23/02/2014 09:34

Frugal I am asking if this thread is a work related research project of some kind. You have not denied that.

FrugalFashionista · 23/02/2014 09:41

Need to focus on real life now - take children to an outing, make lunch, accomodate a houseguest - but please feel free to talk color and style here in a dogma-free, open environment! Really enjoying your posts... Will participate later when real life is slower.

I think Santa pretty much summed it up. Personal coloring and style is much too complex and varied a topic to be covered in one or two sessions.

I've been very interested in fashion since my teens, and for me it seems to be a lifelong project. My style and coloring also always changes a bit when I move to a new environment. Finding my way has taken years... (Ultimate goal: to be on Advanced Style when I'm in my 80s...) Wink

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FrugalFashionista · 23/02/2014 09:50

Emo Please just go away! How many times do I need to repeat this - this thread is not a work related research project for me. I do not have a vested interest. I like style and beauty on my free time, but this is not a 'project' for me and I'm gaining nothing from this. If you want to find people who have work related motives to talk about colors, you'll have to join some other threads, I'm afraid.

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Emo76 · 23/02/2014 09:51

"Repeating it" once is fine, thanks.

Snowdown · 23/02/2014 10:04

Wow frugal you have really thought this through! My doubts are based on people's comments to me - I always get compliments when I wear white, my mum thinks I look fabulous in black - the consultant said she could see why - yet it felt like the dogma and rules stopped her from recommending I wear it - like she needed to toe the part line because an autumn can't wear black...but beige makes me look like death, mustard makes me look jaundiced. I can't help but feel that while she gave me some great pointers, there was lots of hmmmms in my session where I just couldn't see the difference it made. She said people would see me and comment on how well I looked - that has never happened, she said before people would see the clothes not me - I like people to see the clothes, I like the clothes.

I'm on the fence trying to redefine my approach. In one way I love have a coordinated wardrobe - although I do not wish to put all the colours together but on the other hand I feel constrained and anal about colours as a consequence of being told what suits me, I know winter navy looks good on me but that hoc voice keeps speaking to me, telling me is doesn't it makes me question my own decisions too much. Oh the internal torment. Wink

RalphRecklessCardew · 23/02/2014 10:19

We're not even allowed to bitch about colour bloody analysis any more? For fuck's sake.

MrsCampbellBlack · 23/02/2014 10:20

Snowdon - I just love 'I like the clothes' and that's totally my attitude too! Smile

NigellasGuest · 23/02/2014 10:28

I do get that now, MrsCB-
I must try not to post when I've just woken up on a Sunday morning!!

I went to a stylish lady in Kensington for my consultation - because when I looked up who my local consultant one I nearly died in horror.
I do think there's something to be said for not taking style advice from some dowdy frump who used to be a TA at the DCs school

I've now read the thread! (always helps).
Agree about horrible polyester scarves for the colour diagnosis bit. Although I didn't have the colour bit done, she did show me her special scarves [ha! ha!] and I did feel a little anxious at the sight of them....

Also, where's the link gone to the poor defenceless people who had their colours done? because I want to snigger in a grown womanly way

and is the original Spring thread easy to find? I think I need to look at that, for research you understand

NigellasGuest · 23/02/2014 10:29

who my local consultant was

Nancy66 · 23/02/2014 10:32

I know a couple of people who had their 'colours' done and now they both dress like Ronald McDonald.

Destinysdaughter · 23/02/2014 10:35

The colour woman I saw was evil. She got v cross with me when I disputed with her that dark green was a good colour for me. However when she whipped off the scarf and showed me in the mirror myself sitting there head to toe in black I literally saw the colour drain from my face! And that was when I finally accepted that I was... An Autumn. I genuinely felt traumatised after the consultation as the woman was quite critical and I also felt like my whole identity was under attack.

However, she was right. And ten years later I now have a wardrobe of beautiful colours I am very happy with and look lovely in. Only black things I have now are underwear. I ditched my black clothes and my sliver jewellry, and really enjoy colour. I can go into a shop and know exactly what will suit me, has saved me a fortune in both time and money.

The woman I saw tho was bonkers. V middle class woman in her 50 s who said things to me like, don't wear skirts above the knee, they hurt your soul, and it takes years to learn how to wear a hat...

RonaldMcDonald · 23/02/2014 10:37

nancy do you mean me?

Nancy66 · 23/02/2014 10:39
Grin
QueenCadbury · 23/02/2014 10:39

Ignoring all the personal quips/bitchy comments this is a really interesting thread. I'm a believer in colour analysis as it works for me. As a fair blonde I often chose muted colours (the summer type colours) as I thought bright colours would over power me. I knew that a lot of blues and greens looked good on me and that yellows and browns look ghastly but there was the whole pink/red/purple shades that I just couldn't work out for myself. I was draped as a winter and a bright one at that and it has opened up a whole new world of colour for me. Fushia lipstick is also much better than my previous nude shades.

Like frugal said texture is very important and shiny fabrics look good in me so I could definitely see 'it' during the colour session. I'm also better in high contrast eg navy top, fushia cardigan rather than one flat colour.

Personally for me I love the prescriptiveness of having my colour swatches and making sure things match but then I like matchy matchy and am rather anal about things like that Grin.

I can totally get why people think it's a load of old baloney and I have my moments too when I wonder whether it is all a load of bollocks but it has definitely been a positive thing for me.

Wrt all the colours threads at the moment, even I find that annoying. It's fine having the seasons threads as they're long standing threads and really useful for lots of us but the constant questions about where to look online snd recommendations are a bit tiresome. But it's all cyclical and give it a couple of months and everyone will be asking what to wear to weddings Smile